After the JAG Corps: Navigating Your Career Progression

Tom Welsh
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Dec 20, 2025 • 51min

164. Meet the Swiss Army Knife, John Smallman

This week, we hear from former Marine, steelworker, FBI agent, Navy JAG, NCIS special agent, counter-intelligence officer, volunteer, and fisherman, John Smallman. From investigating crimes to prosecuting them, John has had a dynamic and interesting career. Full of great sea stories and laughs, there is no better way to close-out the year than talking to John about his career.
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Dec 6, 2025 • 46min

163. Shelby Hladon: The Volunteer Who Cannot Say No

In this episode, we hear from Shelby Hladon whose desire to spend more time with her sons has led to a post-military career as a volunteer, especially when it comes to youth and veterans.
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Nov 22, 2025 • 48min

162. Patrick Courteau's Flight From Air Force Airman to Litigation Associate

In this episode, Patrick Corteau shares his journey from serving as a judge advocate in the Air Force to securing a position with Greenberg Traurig, in its Minneapolis, MN, office.
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Nov 8, 2025 • 56min

161. “Don’t Overthink It”: One Man’s Journey to a More Purposeful and Happier Life

In this episode, I talk to Matthew Dursa, former Navy JAG, about his journey in overcoming a tendency to overthink things, which he shares in his new book, “Reading This Book Won’t Help You: Doing the Work Will.” A copy can be purchased on Amazon at https://a.co/d/a8AQUDN.
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Oct 25, 2025 • 50min

160. Learning from the Best: A Conversation with International Legal Scholar Michael Schmitt

In this episode, Michael shares how he leveraged his active duty experience as an Air Force judge advocate to teaching in the classroom, both while still serving and after retirement.
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Oct 11, 2025 • 45min

159. Joe Androski: Seizing Opportunity in Face of Uncertainty

As a probationary employee with the Navy Office of General Counsel in 2025, Joe was informed he would likely be laid off as part of the Trump Administration’s efforts to curb the size of the Federal Government. When offered deferred resignation, Joe saw it as an opportunity to join private practice to enable him to return to doing the things he enjoyed doing as a Marine Corps JAG, including Legal Assistance and Litigation. In this episode, Joe takes us through his journey, including waving into the Virginia bar. Joe mentions a few of Slack-type groups that he finds helpful, including:​ LawyerSmack (sidebar.net), a private community for attorneys interested in discussing practice-related issues with their peers in real time. ($199/year);​ Best Era (https://bestera.com/)($365/year). ​ InnerCircle (inner circle.ernietheattorney.net/feed), which deals with legal tech issues.
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Sep 27, 2025 • 45min

158. Holly Cook, Army Vet Continuing to Advocate with the American Bar Association

In this episode, Holly Cook takes us through her career progression from the Army JAG Corps to the American Bar Association where she continues serving and advocating on issues that are in the public interest.
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Sep 24, 2025 • 25min

3. From the U.S. Army to the U.S Attorney's Office and Executive Director, Judge Advocates Association

On July 3, 3021, A. Williams sat down with me (via Zoom) to talk about her decision to transfer from the active component of the U.S. Army, and the importance of networking and doing your research as you pursue a job outside of the military.  Additionally, as the Executive Director of the Judge Advocates Association, Amanda talked about the annual Jobs for JAGs workshop (which was just held this month) as well as the resources and networking opportunities with the American Bar Association.
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Sep 13, 2025 • 52min

157. A Conversation with my Podcaster in Arms: Jerrod Fussnecker

Jerrod Fussnecker is a judge advocate in the Army Reserve and a civil litigation attorney with Collins and Lacy, and the host of the Military Veterans in Law podcast.
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Aug 30, 2025 • 50min

156. Doug Moquet, Compliance and Data Privacy Counsel, HomeServe USA

In this episode, I talk to Dough Moquet who left the Air Force after 10 years to return home to Connecticut, where he was successfully leveraged his experiences as an Air Force JAG to land his current gig.

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