

Travis Makes Money
Travis Chappell
You can't save your way to your dream life anymore. The truth is, you’re gonna need to learn to make more money. The Travis Makes Money Podcast is not your typical personal finance show. Rather than shaming you for buying a Starbucks coffee or pressuring you to become a billionaire, we focus on empowering you to make more money so you can enjoy life today while preparing for your future. You don’t have to cut back so much that you miss out on the present, and you don’t need to become the next Jeff Bezos either. Hosted by veteran podcaster Travis Chappell, each daily episode features interviews with regular people just like you – yes, you – who have learned how to make more money in unique and unconventional ways. From turning side hustles into an extra six figures to building massive business empires, these conversations dive into the mindset shifts, hard-earned lessons, and simple strategies that helped these individuals succeed. With over 1,000 podcast episodes under his belt, Travis has developed a unique ability to pull out inspiring stories and practical advice you can apply to your own financial journey that you just won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you’re looking for strategies on side hustles, skill building, investing, building generational wealth, or just motivation to take your next steps, this podcast is your resource. Tune in daily for insights, actionable tips, and inspiration from some of the most successful and interesting money-makers on the planet.
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Dec 4, 2020 • 11min
506: BYN Breakdown | Credibilty Comes First
On this BYN Breakdown me and Eric are going to be continuing our conversation around building and scaling your podcast. Last time we took a look at Blue Ocean Strategy and broke the myth behind needing expensive equipment and software. Today, we’re going to look at the importance of credibility and how to build it. A lot of people want to look at the heavy hitters of the podcasting world and copy their formula, but this is a different time, and you have unique qualities that you can bring to the table without having to stake your whole identity on what has already been done. Let’s dive into the conversation and let me breakdown my Credibility First Method and clue you in on ways you can drive capital that can lead you to build a bigger audience!Things you will learn in this episode:[00:01 - 02:16] Opening Segment
Welcome to the show
BYN Breakdown
I talk about another issue podcasters face
Stop trying to take other people’s style
No shortcuts
You have to earn the position
You need to look at the opportunities you have
[02:17 - 10:00] Building Your Credibility First
The Joe Rogan example
Years of stand-up comedy
Early to the game
Cultivating a network
Timing and info
The Gary V example
YouTube channel first 15 years ago
You have to find a different way to grow
Don’t follow the formula of old ways
My strategy and example
It come down to credibility
More important than traffic
Big guests started saying yes
The credibility drove downloads
Finding the show from recognizable people and titles
Don’t waste people’s time
The Credibility First Method
How to turn credibility into money, money into audience growth
Live weekly class
Thursdays at noon
Links at the bottom
[10:01 - 25:22] Closing Segment
Eric wraps up and talks about the webinar
Final words
Tweetable Quotes: “What people don’t realize is that you can’t shortcut the first decade of work that went in to build a large audience.” - Travis Chappell“You can’t expect to grow the same way a lot of people back then grew…” - Travis Chappell“I started figuring out that the credibility that I got from being on the top charts was way more important than the traffic that was basically non-existent that I got from the charts.” - Travis ChappellResources Mentioned: Podcast Profit CourseDid you love the value that we are putting out in the show? LEAVE A REVIEW and tell us what you think about the episode so we can continue putting out great content just for you! Share this episode and help someone who wants to connect with world-class people. Jump on over to travischappell.com/makemypodcast and let my team make you your very own show!If you want to learn how to build YOUR network, check out my website a travischappell.com. You can connect with me on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter. Be sure to join The Lounge to become part of the community that’s setting up REAL relationships that add value and create investments. Check out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridgeOur Sponsors:* Check out Kinsta: https://kinsta.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dec 2, 2020 • 29min
505: Leadership Legends ft. Chad Veach, Vince Del Monte, and Joel Marion
Chad Veach, author of Help! I Work with People, Vince Del Monte, fitness guru, author, and creator of the 7-Figure Mastermind, and Joel Marion, co-founder and CMO of BioTrust NutritionKey Takeaways:
Leadership is communication.
Relationships help you cut the credibility curve.
You can scale what you do quickly when you get your entire industry on your team.
Tweetable Quotes:
“You can’t do life well and do people wrong.” – Chad Veach
“When you have the right who you can stroke out all the whats.” – Vince Del Monte
“The reason I can have so much success is that I have the whole industry on my side.” -Joel Marion
Resources Mentioned:
Follow along with me on Instagram- @travischappell
Visit my website for more information on resources and announcements: https://travischappell.com/
Join the Facebook group to find community: https://travischappell.com/group
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Dec 1, 2020 • 27min
504: Bidhan "Bobby" Parmar | Darder School of Business Talks Relationships
Today’s guest believes that the way you make people feel will determine the strength of the relationship. Associate Professor Bidhan "Bobby" Parmar is the Shannon Smith Emerging Scholar in Business Administration. Parmar teaches creative and critical thinking at the Darden School of Business. He was also named one of the top 40 business school professors under 40 in the world and has won several teaching and research awards, with his research published in several magazines.Parmar's research interests focus on how managers make sense of uncertainty and collaborate in ways that create value for stakeholders and teach students real world leadership skills in stressful and interpersonally sensitive situations.I can’t wait to dive into Bobby’s wealth of knowledge and experience as he breaks down relationships and how to build them. Things you will learn in this episode:[00:01 - 06:26] Opening Segment
I introduce today’s guest, Professor. Bidhan Parmar
Emerging Scholar
Top business school professors
Announcement: travischappell.com/makemypodcast
Bobby talks about his early life
Started up in martial arts
Learned how to teach and meet new people
School life and relationships
First generation expectations
Beginning journey into academia
Worked as a research assistant
Making others better around you
[06:27 - 13:00] Diving into the Details and the Unknown
Bobby’s advice on the limit of pushing your children
Letting the kids lead
Pick something you love and build expertise
Share your passion
Bobby talks about the allure of research
The mystery solving aspect
Helping people make effective decisions
Research that solves needs
Fostering interests
Not an immediate pay-off
Manage motivation
Find how the work benefits people
Bobby’s time and journey in Darden U
Opportunity to teach and stay
Valuable relationships with colleagues
[13:01 - 25:22] Talking Relationship; Closing Segment
Who you or What you know?
It’s about the feelings you create in others
How you relate to others
Relationships matter a lot, but not by themselves
How do you take an important skill set and apply it?
Find the people that make you feel good
Put into situations where you need to use
Find good exemplars
Bobby’s networking trick
Analyze what works best for you
A time when connection led to something big in your life?
Bobby’s example with Darden U executives
“Stakeholder Theory”
Bobby shares a story from a friends studies
Stakeholder capitalism
Fishing with Dynamite
Link below
The RaNdoM RoUnd
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Final words
Tweetable Quotes: “I was really passionate about this idea of using power responsibly… you use that responsibly and you use that to make the world better.” - Bidhan “Bobby” Parmar“It’s not about who you know or what you know, it’s about how you make other people feel.” - Bidhan “Bobby” ParmarResources Mentioned:
Stakeholder Theory
Fishing with Dynamite Documentary
You can learn more about Bobby on https://www.darden.virginia.edu/faculty-research/directory/bidhan-l-parmar and connect with his content on YouTube.Did you love the value that we are putting out in the show? LEAVE A REVIEW and tell us what you think about the episode so we can continue putting out great content just for you! Share this episode and help someone who wants to connect with world-class people. Jump on over to travischappell.com/makemypodcast and let my team make you your very own show!If you want to learn how to build YOUR network, check out my website a travischappell.com. You can connect with me on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter. Be sure to join The Lounge to become part of the community that’s setting up REAL relationships that add value and create investments. Check out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridgeOur Sponsors:* Check out Kinsta: https://kinsta.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Nov 30, 2020 • 45min
503: Robert McCleland | Have the Difficult Conversations
No matter what, you are the product of the sum of your decisions. Here to talk about making those decisions, we are welcoming back one of the first guests I’ve ever had on the show, Robert McCleland, PhD. Rob is a coach, speaker, and teacher who is a John Maxwell certified leader. He is the Owner of Upward Leadership--a consulting and training company. As a past President of John Maxwell Leadership Foundation he has sat in the big chair in Higher Education, Medical Foundations, and multinational groups. He has a simple goal: build hard working, healthy, and fun organizations where people love to serve and give their best. He is known for his unrelenting commitment to clarifying purpose, empowering employees, and acknowledging contributions. Let’s jump right in and learn what can happen when you make the hard decisions and the right ones, from Rob’s incredible story. Things you will learn in this episode:[00:01 - 08:37] Opening Segment
I introduce today’s guest, Dr. Robert McCleland
Part of my Mastermind and podcasting story
Rob talks a bit about his family life
Rough childhood
Taken in by a neighbor
Paid to go to college
How far is too far to help someone
Most people love enablement
People want the chance but don’t want the work
Overcomers want to put in the work
Excuses are the sign to pull back
Rob’s school life
Sacramento State
Realizing an ego
Obsessed with popularity
Exploring faith for the first time
[08:38 - 19:52] You’re a Product of the Sum of Your Decisions
Rob’s turn around
Journey
‘Where would I have been if not for…’
You are your decisions
Who are your giants?
Rob shares about meeting his wife
What drew him
What Rob has learned in the process
Putting in the work
Cultivating your relationships
Humble yourself and get what you need
Rob talks about his growth process into leadership
Became a Youth Pastor
Moved towards executive work
Began leading organizations and became a CEO
Deciding to get a Masters
Received sponsorship
The value of pure leadership
Interned with a mentor
Received a Phd
[19:53 - 30:56] Building Your Leadership
Rob talks about researching daily
Always finding an opportunity to learn
Rob shares a resources and routine to learn daily
Link below
Starting in the morning/quiet time
Morning Brew
Wall Street Journal
Getting into the John Maxwell Leadership
Began working for one of his organizations
The issues internally
Trying to get the materials to train
Interviewed by John Maxwell
Began running two of his companies
My conversation with Rob in the past that impacted me
[30:57 - 43:09] Closing Segment
Who you or What you know?
It’s who you know, but to get to them it’s about what you know
They need to trust you
How Rob builds trust while networking
Give a short answer then ask them about themselves
Example from a story
Vulnerability is key
The RaNdoM RoUnd
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Final words
Tweetable Quotes: “You are, right now, a product of the decisions that you’ve made; Some of them good, some of them bad.” - Robert McCleland“Who’s going to love someone enough to say something, and build the right kind of team for the organization not just for me. You’re going to win if you can get that.” - Robert McCleland“Winston Churchill, Martin Luther King, a couple of guys like that, they weren’t even liked by a lot of people but they rose up in their moment in time and they won the world. That’s the type of person I want to be.” - Rob McClelandResources Mentioned:
Harvard Business Review
Morning Brew Newsletter
EQUIP
Learning Leadership
Leader Tribe Podcast
You can connect with Rob on LinkedIn and Twitter or email rob@leadertribe.com. Be sure to visit https://www.leadertribe.com to learn more about his space. Did you love the value that we are putting out in the show? LEAVE A REVIEW and tell us what you think about the episode so we can continue putting out great content just for you! Share this episode and help someone who wants to connect with world-class people. Jump on over to travischappell.com/makemypodcast and let my team make you your very own show!If you want to learn how to build YOUR network, check out my website a travischappell.com. You can connect with me on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter. Be sure to join The Lounge to become part of the community that’s setting up REAL relationships that add value and create investments. Check out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridgeOur Sponsors:* Check out Kinsta: https://kinsta.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Nov 27, 2020 • 12min
502: BYN Breakdown | Blue Ocean Podcasters
How do you scale your podcast to make it profitable? Today we’re going to really hone in and focus on the topic of building your podcasts and what goes into making it great. Welcome to our Build Your Network breakdown. With so many podcasts out there today, we need to talk about the wins that can set you apart, the missteps that can pull you out of the race entirely, and the opportunity to learn directly from us at podcastprofitcourse.com.So let’s get started with the conversation and ultimately learn what it means to be a blue ocean podcaster and how anyone can jump at the opportunity to be one. Things you will learn in this episode:[00:01 - 03:00] Opening Segment
Welcome to BYN Breakdown
Focussing in on the topic
Travis’ biggest pet peeve
Blowing money on equipment
[03:01 - 06:20] Podcasting Pet Peeves
I talk about not niching down
You are not another podcaster; you’re you
Know your audience
Examples of success
You won’t gain an audience just talking to yourself
The crowded business space
Top 5 crowded topic
Use your clout to transition to a niche
[06:21 - 11:03] Find Your Blue Ocean
What is the Blue Ocean Strategy?
Shark metaphor
No more meat on the bone
Finding your blue ocean
What are you good at
My example
You don’t need to be the expert
Blue Ocean over niche
Sometimes you want to niche up, not down
Don’t worry about the people who don’t resonate
Attractive to sponsors
Who is your ‘one person?’
Specific over generic
[11:04 - 12:14] Closing Segment
Our free training
What kind of podcaster are you
How do you present the message
Check out the course to learn more
Free web class you can register for
Final words
Tweetable Quotes: “Why would I try to compete with those guys when I can just carve my own niche? And that’s kinda what we’re talking about in this episode; niching down and finding what your Blue Ocean is…” - Travis Chappell Resources Mentioned:
Blue Ocean Strategy
Blue Ocean Strategy Book
Don’t miss out on this opportunity. Go to https://www.podcastprofitcourse.com/register and register for the online course that will teach you how to make your podcast profitable. Did you love the value that we are putting out in the show? LEAVE A REVIEW and tell us what you think about the episode so we can continue putting out great content just for you! Share this episode and help someone who wants to connect with world-class people. Jump on over to travischappell.com/makemypodcast and let my team make you your very own show!If you want to learn how to build YOUR network, check out my website a travischappell.com. You can connect with me on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter. Be sure to join The Lounge to become part of the community that’s setting up REAL relationships that add value and create investments. Check out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridgeOur Sponsors:* Check out Kinsta: https://kinsta.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Nov 25, 2020 • 42min
501: Mashup | Make Your Money Work For You (ft. Jonathan Krueger, Jason Hartman, & Daniel Blue)
Jonathan Krueger, founder of LionsGate Advisors, Jason Hartman, founder of Platinum Properties Investor Network, Inc. and Daniel Blue, President of Quest Education, share their tips for financial success.Key Takeaways:
You have to confront your negative worldview toward money. Money is neutral. How you use it determines whether it is good or bad.
The media focuses on cyclical markets, but most of the world is a linear real estate market.
You must duplicate yourself to continue growing.
Resources Mentioned:
Follow along with me on Instagram- @travischappell
Visit my website for more information on resources and announcements: https://travischappell.com/
Join the Facebook group to find community: https://travischappell.com/group
Check out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridgeOur Sponsors:* Check out Kinsta: https://kinsta.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Nov 24, 2020 • 34min
500: Valorie Burton | Let Go of the Guilt
Everyone has a gift to offer the world, Valorie Burton, learned that she could do this through writing. Valorie is the Founder and CEO of CaPP Institute, an online institute that equips established and aspiring coaches with the educational and foundational tools to become exceptional in their field. She is also a wife, parent, entrepreneur, author of thirteen titles, speaker and life coach dedicated to helping people get unstuck and be unstoppable in every area of life. She believes that life is all about living with purpose and learning from your mistakes rather than letting them set you back. Let’s jump right into the episode and learn from Valorie how to live with purpose, do what you love, and do it guilt free. Things you will learn in this episode:[00:01 - 08:19] Opening Segment
I introduce today’s guest, Valorie Burton
Activities and Success
Valorie gives us a bit of background on her story
Moved from Germany to America
Always loved reading and writing
Family influence
Always had an entrepreneurial spirit
School and college life
Love for languages and communication
Started a PR firm in Dallas
Currently in Atlanta
Pros and cons of places Valorie lived
Air Force Base in the Gulf of Mexico
Colorado lifestyle vs Cali
Lessons learned in Georgia
Dallas
[08:20 - 12:37] Venturing into Entrepreneurship with Purpose
Valorie talks about her transition into becoming and entrepreneur
Following your passion
A feeling of being called to writing
The compelling force
Loving what you do
Living with purpose
Valorie talks about leaving her firm
Making the leap
[12:38 - 22:45] Dedication from the Beginning
Valorie talks about the process of starting to write books
Tried first at the age of 22
The advantage of PR experience
Meeting an editor at a book give away
Valorie’s advice for getting into writing
Resources
Valorie talks about her most dear book
Successful Women Think Differently
How successful make decisions
Happiness and resilience
Proud of Let Go of the Guilt
Putting lessons and experiences in a book
Documenting the journey
The growth process leading up to this book
[22:46 - 31:47] Closing Segment
Who you or What you know?
Depends on the goal
Marketing and sales is who you know
You still need to have the know how
Who you know can help with exposure
Important relationships that made you what you are today?
Valorie’s story while hosting a tv show
Passing along her book
Don’t blow anything off
About Let Go of the Book
Stop beating yourself up and take back your joy
Women’s battle with guilt
Help people overcome this trend
Links below
The RaNdoM RoUnd
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Final words
Tweetable Quotes: “There’s beauty in every place you go, you can find it.” - Valorie Burton “I wanted to love what I do, and I believe we are all here for a reason. I believe we all have gifts and experiences that are meant to make the world better in some way, even if that way is small.” - Valorie Burton “We tend to think that people are successful based on the steps that they took, but it’s really deeper than that: It is what they say to themselves, what they think in the face of challenges.” - Valorie BurtonResources Mentioned:
Sell Your Book Like Wildfire
Successful Women Think Differently
Let Go of the Guilt
Learned Optimism
You can connect with Valorie on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook. Visit https://valorieburton.com to learn even more and get a copy of her book. Did you love the value that we are putting out in the show? LEAVE A REVIEW and tell us what you think about the episode so we can continue putting out great content just for you! Share this episode and help someone who wants to connect with world-class people. Jump on over to travischappell.com/makemypodcast and let my team make you your very own show!If you want to learn how to build YOUR network, check out my website a travischappell.com. You can connect with me on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter. Be sure to join The Lounge to become part of the community that’s setting up REAL relationships that add value and create investments. Check out FranBridge Consulting for premier non-food franchise opportunities: travischappell.com/franbridgeOur Sponsors:* Check out Kinsta: https://kinsta.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Nov 23, 2020 • 31min
499: Tom Kulzer | 0 to 1 Million SaaS Subscribers
Creating a network is more than just who you know, but who you connect to who. Our guest today,Tom Kulzer, is a master at cultivating relationships. Tom founded the award winning https://www.aweber.com (AWeber Communications) to help small businesses around the world better communicate and build relationships with customers and prospects using permission based email marketing. Tom's focus is strategic planning, market strategy, business development, and team building, and believes in creating a unique workplace lifestyle with a culture driven by core values all while in pursuit of growing millions of small businesses around the world.
I can’t wait to dive right in and learn how Tom brought his business from zero to one million SaaS subscribers by connecting people and generating relationships.
Things you will learn in this episode:
[00:01 - 08:53] Opening Segment
I introduce today’s guest, Tom Kulzer
Activities and Success
Announcements
https://travischappell.typeform.com/to/kmf5p4 (travischapel.com/makemypodcast)
Tom gives some background on his story
Always doing odd jobs
Parents owned a garment factory
Entrepreneurship taught or caught?
Tom’s examples
Family business dynamic
Factors that go into it
Tom talks about growing up learning entrepreneurship
Growing up around small businesses
Used to working all kind of jobs
Started a software company
Developed AWeber over time
[08:54 - 16:44] The Benefits and Struggles of Software
Tom talks about the value of his hard work
Building up over time
Evolving over the years
Benefits and struggles of building a software company
A constantly evolving market
Increased competition
Engineering capacity used on stopping abuse
Recurring and predictable
Customer solutions operations
Pitfalls of software
The things you don’t see
Examples
[16:45 - 18:28] Do What You’re Passionate About
Tom talks about the beginning of his hiring period
First hire in customer solutions
Loving what you do
Work doesn’t feel like work
[18:29 - 28:24] Closing Segment
Who you or What you know?
What you know can open the doors to who you know
Being the resource for others
What then who
Important relationships that made you what you are today?
Tom’s friend that pushed him
Relationship started from a newsletter
Tom’s advice to his mentees
Leadership strategies to build better relationships with customers and employees
Be yourself
Cultivate a genuine culture
The RaNdoM RoUnd
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Final words
Tweetable Quotes:
“At the end of the day software is something where… it’s a recurring base, so it’s very predictable, it’s very measurable in many ways. It has a lot of upsides, and it definitely can scale…” - Tom Kulzer
“I don’t look at work as necessarily work… Do something that you’re passionate about.” - Tom Kulzer
“The ‘who you know’ is for other people; being beneficial to them and connecting them to other people and helping them out with whatever struggle that they have.” - Tom Kulzer
Resources Mentioned:
https://www.omnigroup.com/omnifocus/ (Omnifocus)
You can connect with Tom on https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomkulzer/ (LinkedIn), and https://twitter.com/tkulzer (Twitter). Visit https://go.tomkulzer.com/home to learn more about his space.
Did you love the value that we are putting out in the show? LEAVE A REVIEW and tell us what you think about the episode so we can continue putting out great content just for you! Share this episode and help someone who wants to connect with world-class people.
Jump on over to https://travischappell.typeform.com/to/kmf5p4 (travischapel.com/makemypodcast) and let my team make you your very own show!
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Nov 20, 2020 • 21min
498: BYN Breakdown | Takeaways from the 75 Hard Challenge
Travis Chappell and his producer, Eric, share their takeaways from participating in Andy Frisella's https://andyfrisella.com/pages/75hard-info (75 Hard Challenge).
Resources Mentioned:
Follow along with me on Instagram- @travischappell
Visit my website for more information on resources and announcements:https://travischappell.com/ ( https://travischappell.com)
Join the Facebook group to find community: https://travischappell.com/group (https://travischappell.com/group)
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Nov 18, 2020 • 1h
497: Mashup | How to Becoming a Successful Author (ft. Max Lugavere, Jack Canfield, and Jay Papasan)
Max Lugavere, a filmmaker, health & science journalist, and NY Times bestselling author of Genius Foods, Jack Canfield, the author of the Success Principles and co-author of the Chicken Soup for the Soul Series, and Jay Papasan, Vice President, and Executive Editor at Keller Williams Realty, co-author of the Millionaire Real Estate Agent, The Millionaire Real Estate Investor, and The One Thing.
Key Takeaways:
Networking and building friendships are the same activity.
Surrounded yourself with gurus of positive belief.
Stay focused.
Tweetable Quotes:
“I knew that I had to invest energy into Instagram. And when it came to figuring out what strategy was going to work, I basically tried everything. I was not afraid to experiment and to fail and to have a post now and then that had no engagement.” –Max Lugavere
We know too much now for people to be suffering. – Jack Canfield
Habit stacking seems to be the ultimate superpower. – Jay Papasan
Resources Mentioned:
Follow along with me on Instagram- @travischappell
Visit my website for more information on resources and announcements:https://travischappell.com/ ( https://travischappell.com)
Join the Facebook group to find community: https://travischappell.com/group (https://travischappell.com/group)
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