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Fernando Angelucci is a self-storage investor and syndicator who’s transacted on over $200M worth of self-storage facilities across dozens of states in just six years. After starting in house painting, flipping, and multifamily, he ditched the “three T’s” (tenants, toilets, trash) and went all-in on self storage, where he now specializes in wholesaling, value-add deals, and creative seller-financed structures—while spending most of the year living abroad.​ On this episode we talk about: Fernando’s journey from immigrant parents and a Fortune 50 corporate job to full-time real estate investor How he used 60 credit cards and $97K in high-interest debt to launch his flipping business (and why he doesn’t recommend it) Why he pivoted from flipping and rentals into self storage and what makes the asset class so attractive How to wholesale self-storage deals step-by-step, from building lists to skip tracing to talking with owners The key underwriting metrics he uses (supply index, price per square foot, occupancy, and competition) How he structures creative seller-financed deals (multiple offer structures, master lease options, and more) The importance of reps, rejection, accountability, and public goals in getting your first deal done Top 3 Takeaways Self storage is a powerful, scalable niche. With roughly two-thirds of facilities owned by mom-and-pop operators, there’s a massive opportunity to buy under-managed properties, modernize operations (web presence, pricing, tech), and quickly increase NOI. Wholesaling self storage is a low-capital way to start. By buying data, skip tracing owners, building relationships, and assigning contracts, you can generate large fees without taking title or raising huge amounts of capital—while learning the business from inside the deal flow. Creative financing unlocks deals banks won’t touch. By really listening to an owner’s “why” (retirement income, grandkids’ tuition, travel), you can craft seller-financed structures, second-position notes, and master leases that solve their problem and allow you to acquire cash-flowing assets with minimal money down. Notable Quotes “Once you get comfortable with people saying no and failure, then you just realize it’s reps. That’s all you gotta do—reps.” “If you’re always 100% full, that’s not a good thing in self storage. It means your rents are too low.” “Too many people rush to get a contract. Slow down and find the why behind the why—then structure the deal around that.” Connect with Fernando Angelucci: Website / Investing: https://ssse.com​​ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thestoragestud​ ✖️✖️✖️✖️ 🚀 Travis Makes Money is made possible by High Level – the All-In-One Sales & Marketing Platform built for agencies, by an agency. 🚀 Capture leads, nurture them, and close more deals—all from one powerful platform. 🎁 Get an extended free trial at gohighlevel.com/travis Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dr. Michelle K. Johnston is a bestselling author, top executive coach, and leadership professor at Loyola University New Orleans who specializes in connection-driven leadership. She’s the author of The Seismic Shift in Leadership and the new book The Seismic Shift in You, co-written with legendary coach Marshall Goldsmith, where she unpacks seven powerful shifts leaders must make to deepen connection and drive results in an AI-driven world.​ On this episode we talk about: Michelle’s first “real” dollar, early jobs at Fuddruckers and a cookie shop, and what they taught her about people and money Why high-volume, people-facing jobs (restaurants, sales, customer service) are underrated training grounds for success The core ideas behind The Seismic Shift in Leadership and The Seismic Shift in You How AI and digital overload are changing leadership—and why “productivity without connection equals emptiness” The loneliness epidemic, why entrepreneurs (especially men) are so isolated, and how to intentionally build community Practical ways leaders can rewire meetings, calendars, and priorities around connection The concept of “connection dinners” and why entrepreneurs should curate rooms where people actually get real Top 3 Takeaways Connection is the new competitive advantage. Old-school command-and-control leadership no longer works; leaders who build cultures of connection outperform by creating trust, psychological safety, and real loyalty.​ You must connect with yourself first. If your own cup is empty—no self-care, no boundaries, no time on your calendar for what matters—you won’t have the energy or presence to build meaningful relationships at work or at home.​ Entrepreneurship doesn’t have to be lonely. By intentionally building community—through curated spaces, small-group dinners, and regular in-person connection—entrepreneurs can combat isolation and create the kind of support that fuels both impact and income.​ Notable Quotes "Productivity without connection equals emptiness." "You’re not good at connecting with anybody unless you first prioritize yourself." "If your most important relationships aren’t on your calendar, they’re not really your priorities." Connect with Dr. Michelle Johnston: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelle-johnston-0264b5b​ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/michellekjohnston  Website: https://michellekjohnston.com​ Podcast: The Seismic Shift with Michelle K. Johnston – https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-seismic-shift-with-michelle-k-johnston/id1625361801​ ✖️✖️✖️✖️ 🚀 Travis Makes Money is made possible by High Level – the All-In-One Sales & Marketing Platform built for agencies, by an agency. 🚀 Capture leads, nurture them, and close more deals—all from one powerful platform. 🎁 Get an extended free trial at gohighlevel.com/travis Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Travis is joined by his producer Eric for a rapid‑fire, no‑guest episode built around funny, candid questions about purchases, regrets, and money habits. Eric keeps Travis on his toes, pushing him to “bring the receipts” on everything from embarrassing Amazon orders to the masterminds and franchises he has invested in.​ On this episode we talk about: The most embarrassing Amazon purchases Travis would hate to see leaked. Under‑$50 buys (like “The Almanack of Naval Ravikant”) that genuinely improved his life.​ The pricey Vegas group dinner he barely ate at and instantly regretted. Subscriptions and trials (sports, streaming, live TV) that keep renewing long after they’re useful.​ “Boring” purchases like chargers, docks, and phone accessories that quietly deliver value every day. Early‑20s mistakes like buying a brand‑new car versus a lightly used one. How much money Travis has ultimately spent with past podcast guests through masterminds, investments, and franchises.​ Top 3 Takeaways Paying for experiences or group status you do not actually enjoy (like a late‑night Vegas dinner you barely touch) is one of the fastest ways to waste money and energy. The best purchases are often unsexy: books that change how you think, tech that reduces daily friction, and used cars that avoid the steepest depreciation curve.​ Recurring subscriptions and “free trials” can quietly drain thousands over time, so using reminders, assistants, or apps to cancel aggressively is a simple but powerful money move.​ Notable Quotes "It felt like I paid $100 a bite for that dinner—and I still left hungry." "I used to think eating out was a splurge; now the real flex is not wasting cash on stuff that doesn’t move the needle." "Money only solves your money problems, but it is a lot easier to solve everything else when you actually have some in the bank."​ ✖️✖️✖️✖️ 🚀 Travis Makes Money is made possible by High Level – the All-In-One Sales & Marketing Platform built for agencies, by an agency.​ 🚀 Capture leads, nurture them, and close more deals—all from one powerful platform.​ 🎁 Get an extended free trial at gohighlevel.com/travis​ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On this episode, Travis Chappell sits down with his producer Eric for a fun but revealing “check your contacts” game that exposes how much your network shapes your opportunities, decisions, and problem-solving capacity. Instead of focusing on tactics alone, they use real names from Travis’s phone to unpack what makes a relationship actually valuable beyond social proof or status.​ On this episode we talk about: The one professional contact Travis would keep if he had to delete everyone else from his phone Who he’d bet $1,000 will pick up the phone every time he calls Which friend he hasn’t talked to in years but knows would still show up if he needed help The first “celebrity” and first true household-name contact that made his network feel different Who he’d choose as his only coach if he had to start a new business tomorrow The worst “client” call of his career and the red flags it revealed The best call he’s ever received and how it turned into a defining podcast interview moment Why your network multiplies your ability to solve problems, Henry Ford–style Top 3 Takeaways A contact is only as valuable as their willingness to respond; reliability and generosity matter more than fame or follower count. Strong relationships built over years—even with long gaps in communication—can still be some of the most dependable when life or business goes sideways. Your network is a force multiplier: like Henry Ford and modern ultra-learners, you do not need to know everything yourself if you can quickly reach people who are true experts in their domains. Notable Quotes "Your contacts are only as good as the people who actually text back and pick up when it counts." "You can solve bigger and more complex problems when you know who to call, not just what to do." "Your contact list will largely dictate how successful and how helpful you are in life—so don’t neglect the work of building real relationships." ✖️✖ ✖️ 🚀 Travis Makes Money is made possible by High Level – the All-In-One Sales & Marketing Platform built for agencies, by an agency.​ 🚀 Capture leads, nurture them, and close more deals—all from one powerful platform.​ 🎁 Get an extended free trial at gohighlevel.com/travis​ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jesse and Gabi Merl are a married power couple who rebuilt from bankruptcy and six-figure student loan debt to consistent multi–six-figure months through content, social selling, and smart investing. Jesse is a multi-exit tech entrepreneur turned YouTube creator behind “Jesse ON FIRE,” while Gabi is a hormone and cortisol-focused coach and social seller who built a thriving business from scratch using short-form content.​​ On this episode we talk about: How Jesse went from teen restaurant jobs to real estate, loans, a sports gaming startup, and ultimately a brutal acquisition that wiped out his stock and forced bankruptcy What it was like for Gabi to be pregnant with their third child, unable to practice acupuncture in a new state, and staring down six-figure student loans while deciding to jump into social selling How they rebuilt from absolute zero to over $140K/month in combined income by focusing on liquid wealth, real estate, and avoiding flashy lifestyle creep The content strategies behind “Jesse ON FIRE” and Gabi’s Instagram/TikTok growth: niche selection, volume, repelling to attract, and showing up as an amplified version of yourself on camera Why most creators fail because they underestimate the time horizon (at least a year) and posting volume required before platforms reward them with real reach Top 3 Takeaways Rebuilding from zero is possible if you’re willing to kill your ego, take the “soul-sucking” job when necessary, and then methodically build leverage through content and business again. Platforms reward consistency and volume; think in terms of posting multiple times per day for months, not a few posts per month, and commit to at least a year before expecting meaningful traction. The fastest way to stand out is to be specific: know your avatar, be willing to repel the wrong audience to attract the right one, and tell your story like you’re talking to close friends—just slightly amplified for the camera. Notable Quotes "You have to repel to attract; if no one is a little mad, no one is truly magnetized to you." "The platforms are testing if you’re going to be a consistent creator before they give you reach." "Content is just building relationships at scale—one story, one reaction, one video at a time." Connect with Jesse & Gabi Merl: YouTube (Jesse): https://www.youtube.com/@RealJesseONFIRE​ Twitter/X (Jesse): https://twitter.com/realjesseonfire​ Instagram (Jesse): https://www.instagram.com/realjesseonfire​ Instagram (Gabi): https://www.instagram.com/gabriellecarolyn​ TikTok (Gabi): https://www.tiktok.com/@gabriellecarolyn​ ✖️✖️✖️✖️ 🚀 Travis Makes Money is made possible by High Level – the All-In-One Sales & Marketing Platform built for agencies, by an agency.​ 🚀 Capture leads, nurture them, and close more deals—all from one powerful platform.​ 🎁 Get an extended free trial at gohighlevel.com/travis​ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this solo episode of the Travis Makes Money Podcast, Travis and his producer Eric react to a hot take by John Gafford. John Gafford is a highly successful entrepreneur in the Las Vegas metropolitan area and a recognized authority in the real estate industry. Before venturing into real estate, he carved out a remarkable path as an entrepreneur, leaving a lasting impact across various industries including hospitality, insurance, and technology. His extensive experience and visionary leadership in real estate have made him a popular podcast host and he is frequently called upon as a contributor, speaker, and consultant, sharing his wealth of knowledge and insights with others in the industry. ✖️ ✖️ ✖️ ✖️ 🚀 Travis Makes Money is made possible by High Level – the All-In-One Sales & Marketing Platform built for agencies, by an agency. 🚀 Capture leads, nurture them, and close more deals—all from one powerful platform. 🎁 Get an extended free trial at gohighlevel.com/travis Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

French-Canadian real estate investor, designer, and developer Natalie Cloutier shares how she and her husband Rob went from broke 20-year-olds in a basement condo to building 50+ rental units and a multimillion-dollar portfolio using a no-money-down build-to-rent strategy. With a background in architectural technology and a focus on new construction, Natalie has turned sweat equity and creative financing into a full-time business, and recently distilled her approach into her book, “The Build-to-Rent Strategy: A Guide to a Successful Rental Property Construction.”​ On this episode we talk about: How Natalie and Rob built their first home and basement rental suite with essentially $0 down using sweat equity and construction financing The mechanics of build-to-rent/“BRRR 2.0”: Build, Rent, Refinance, Repeat—and how it differs from the traditional BRRR strategy What work they took on themselves vs. what they always hired out (electrical, drywall, finishes vs. structural, foundation, and plumbing) Why they prefer smaller infill projects like six-plexes instead of large, high-risk developments with heavy permitting costs How they manage leverage, cash flow targets per door, and why they’re choosing to pause, de-stress, and reassess what “enough” looks like after a decade of grinding Top 3 Takeaways You do not always need 20% down to get into real estate—using construction-to-perm style loans, sweat equity, and smart design, you can create deals by building rather than competing for existing inventory. Staying intentionally underleveraged and focusing on real cash flow per unit is often safer than chasing maximum refinancing or unit count, especially in volatile interest-rate environments. Your portfolio should support your life, not the other way around; periodically pausing to evaluate stress, health, and family priorities is just as important as growing doors or equity. Notable Quotes "We didn’t have money, so instead of buying someone else’s house, we built our own and used our work as the down payment." "BRRR 2.0 is the same idea as BRRR, but instead of ‘Buy, Renovate, Rent, Refinance, Repeat,’ it’s ‘Build, Rent, Refinance, Repeat.’" "It’s not about how many units you own; it’s about how much money those properties actually make and whether the grind is worth it for your life." Connect with Natalie Cloutier: linktr.ee/thenewbuildcouple ✖️✖️✖️✖️ 🚀 Travis Makes Money is made possible by High Level – the All-In-One Sales & Marketing Platform built for agencies, by an agency. 🚀 Capture leads, nurture them, and close more deals—all from one powerful platform. 🎁 Get an extended free trial at gohighlevel.com/travis Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Travis and producer Eric react to a viral video from Vivian Tu (“Your Rich BFF”) breaking down three popular “get rich quick” strategies that actually cost most people money: whole life insurance as an investment, day trading, and “passive” side hustles like wholesale real estate, Amazon dropshipping, and affiliate marketing. They use the clip as a springboard to talk about discipline, risk, and why most people should stick to simple, boring money moves instead of gambling their future on complex schemes they barely understand.​ Top 3 Takeaways For most people, the simplest play—buy term life insurance for protection and invest consistently in diversified, long-term stock market holdings—beats complicated insurance and trading schemes. Day trading is statistically stacked against you; unless you treat it like gambling with true “play money,” your odds of long-term success are far worse than just buying and holding quality assets. “Passive income” buzzwords around real estate, dropshipping, and affiliate marketing hide the reality that these are real businesses requiring time, effort, and often capital—especially when you’re just getting started. Notable Quotes "If you’re just starting out, whole life and infinite banking shouldn’t even be on your radar—it’s a distraction sold hard because the commissions are huge." "Don’t pretend you’re an expert trader when even the best hedge fund managers in the world tell you not to time the market." "People keep looking at these advanced strategies as the thing that’ll make them rich, instead of realizing they only really make sense once you’re already rich."​ 🚀 Travis Makes Money is made possible by High Level – the All-In-One Sales & Marketing Platform built for agencies, by an agency. 🚀 Capture leads, nurture them, and close more deals—all from one powerful platform. 🎁 Get an extended free trial at https://gohighlevel.com/travis Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Rachel Zaslansky Sheer and Lori Zuker Briller are the co-founders of The Grapevine, a premier corporate and domestic staffing firm known for placing top-tier talent with high-profile executives, households, and leading companies. With 20+ years of recruiting experience across entertainment, tech, finance, real estate, fashion, and more, they’ve built a referral-driven “job matchmaking” agency and recently coauthored “Straight From the Grapevine: How to Crush Your Job Search,” a practical guide to modern career strategy and job hunting. Their backgrounds as former entertainment assistants and development executives give them a rare, inside-out view of both sides of the hiring table—what makes candidates stand out and what employers actually need.​ Top 3 Takeaways Early, “small” jobs matter: they build work ethic, professionalism, and people skills that compound into better opportunities, references, and confidence later in your career. Great candidates treat every role like it matters—showing up with excellence, initiative, and a good attitude—because that’s how you get noticed, recruited, and referred into the dream jobs you actually want. In today’s noisy job market, understanding how recruiting really works, presenting a sharp résumé, and mastering basic etiquette (clear emails, context, professionalism) are major unfair advantages. Connect with Rachel & Lori (The Grapevine): ​https://www.thegrapevineagency.com/ 🚀 Travis Makes Money is made possible by High Level – the All-In-One Sales & Marketing Platform built for agencies, by an agency. 🚀 Capture leads, nurture them, and close more deals—all from one powerful platform. 🎁 Get an extended free trial at https://gohighlevel.com/travis Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Travis and producer Eric dive into breaking sports media news: ESPN and Penn Entertainment unwinding their $2 billion, 10-year ESPN Bet partnership just two years after launch and pivoting into a new multi-year deal with DraftKings. They unpack what this says about ESPN’s fading dominance, DraftKings’ position as the default sportsbook brand, and how Barstool founder Dave Portnoy continues to land on his feet after Penn sold Barstool back to him and rebranded to ESPN Bet. Along the way, they draw parallels to Disney’s evolving “family-friendly” branding strategy, the broader shift from legacy TV to social-first sports media, and why product quality and user behavior matter more than just a big name.​​ On this episode we talk about: The stunning early termination of the ESPN–Penn Entertainment $2B, 10-year ESPN Bet deal, effective December 1, 2025, after ESPN Bet failed to crack meaningful market share.​ Why ESPN Bet reportedly struggled to get above ~5% market share and never hit “top three” sportsbook status despite ESPN’s massive brand and distribution.​ Penn’s prior Barstool Sports era, regulatory pushback tied to Portnoy’s persona, and how Penn sold Barstool back to Dave Portnoy as it pivoted to the ESPN Bet rebrand.​​ Portnoy’s reaction on his own show, why he thinks time will tell if this is a good move for DraftKings, and his hint that Disney CEO Bob Iger made unflattering comments about Barstool behind the scenes.​ How Disney’s move from “no R-rated content” on Disney+ to hosting edgier, R-rated films via the Hulu integration shows a slow but real shift away from a strictly squeaky-clean image.​ Why even a giant like ESPN can’t just slap its logo on a product and win—especially when users already love DraftKings and other established betting apps.​ The rise of social-native sports brands like House of Highlights and Barstool Sports, and how short-form content has replaced traditional SportsCenter viewing for many fans.​​ Jake Paul’s “Betr” (Better) and other creator-led betting and media plays, and how having the ear of younger fans changes the balance of power in sports media.​ Why product quality, UX, and habit lock-in often beat legacy branding, even when legacy outlets still dominate live rights and TV distribution.​ A quick detour into the best sports movies of all time—Hoosiers, Remember the Titans, Warrior, Rocky, Moneyball, and more—and what they reveal about the nostalgia we still attach to sports storytelling. Top 3 Takeaways Big legacy brands like ESPN and Disney can no longer rely on their name alone; in crowded categories like sports betting, sticky products and fan-favorite platforms like DraftKings are extremely hard to displace.​ Controversial personalities like Dave Portnoy can create regulatory and brand headaches, but they also build cult followings and resilient IP—Barstool’s rebound and Portnoy’s “$1 buyback” remain a masterclass in leverage.​​ The future of sports attention is social-first and creator-driven: fans increasingly get their highlights, hot takes, and sometimes even betting cues from digital-native brands rather than traditional TV networks.​​ 🚀 Travis Makes Money is made possible by High Level – the All-In-One Sales & Marketing Platform built for agencies, by an agency. 🚀 Capture leads, nurture them, and close more deals—all from one powerful platform. 🎁 Get an extended free trial at https://gohighlevel.com/travis Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices