EDECMO Podcast

This month we are looking at how to transport patients from one facility to another on ECMO.  This is difficult task full of potential catastrophes.  Zack interviews Leon Eydelman, an ER/Critical Care physician from Chicago, and Michael Broman out of Karolinska in Sweden.  Leon will be bringing us up to speed on what to do, potential fails, and how to start the process of setting up a transport process for ECMO patients.  Dr. Eydelman will be teaching a new section at Reanimate this January specifically geared toward the transport of patients.  So if you are a nurse, medic, perfusionist, RT, or physician involved in the transport of ECMO patients you will not want to miss Leon's section  Sign up at Reanimateconference.com.  Part 2 of this podcast includes the interview with Dr. Broman which will blow your mind.  So much great stuff in both of these interviews.

n this episode, Zack Shinar interviews Zaf Qasim about the recent controversies with ACEP and ACS about who can do REBOA.  Zaf is one of the world's experts on REBOA and he's an ER doc!  Zaf works at the University of Pennsylvania, trained in London as well as Shock Trauma in Baltimore and teaches at Reanimate.  When you come to the essence of this episode, the question is what is the emergency physician's role in the trauma resuscitation?  Both Zaf and Zack agree; we need to be the resuscitationist in the trauma suite.  We need to manage the airway and then quickly take over the arterial and venous access, interpret the transduced pressures, manage the massive transfusion protocol and be ready to insert the REBOA catheter while the trauma surgeon is involved with the left chest, the source of bleeding and where the next destination for this patient will be.

This part two of August 2018.  We are now tackling the difficult question of when to transport cardiac arrests if I have ECMO available?  Brian Grunau is an expert in this question.  Brian has become a giant in the world of ECMO.  His research, leadership and experience have pushed the Canadian ECPR contingency to the forefront.   Brian gives us some insight on what factors I should consider and when should I transport.

Over this last year we have had episodes on organ donation and decision to transport.  This month we are revisiting two topics with two amazing people in two separate episodes.  Here, I interviewed Velia Marta Antonini.   Velia works in Italy where several of the great ECMO donation papers have originated.  She explains why this research is coming from Italy, what the process looks like, and the implications of this for other countries.  Check out her slides below.

Well, it only took us seven years to figure this one out.  The wire assistant has been the key advancement of 2018 for placement of ECMO cannulas.  In this episode, Zack and Joe talk through this process after an  interview with Alyssa Baldini.  Alyssa was one of our first true wire assistants and has been instrumental in getting cannulas in faster and safer.  We discuss how the wire assistant aids in sterility and getting the artery on the first stick.  Bottom line - train someone at your shop to be an expert wire assistant.

In this episode, Zack talks with Heidi Dalton about ECMO use in Sepsis.  This is another controversial area with pediatric literature showing strong results while the adult results have been less impressive.  Heidi has been a key figure in both adult and pediatric ECMO.  She is the former chair of the yearly ELSO conference.  She is a professor at both George Washington University and Virginia Commonwealth University.  Her background is in pediatric critical care. She currently works at INOVA in Virginia where she is the director of adult and pediatric ECMO. So the question for today is should we be utilizing ECMO for sepsis?

Yanno on ECPR

In this episode, Zack interviews Bob Bartlett from the University of Michigan.  He is truly the godfather of ECMO and has revolutionized the world with his leadership and innovation.  They discuss the history of ECMO and roller pumps and bubble oxygenators were clearly inferior to their current counterparts - centrifugal pumps and hollow fiber oxygenators.  They also discuss anticoagulation and how Bob feels direct thrombin inhibitors are superior.  They also discuss the future of ECMO and how peristaltic pumps may be where we are headed.

In this episode,  Alice Hutin of the Paris SAMU talks about the modified cutdown approach to cannula insertion.  She is an emergency physician who is one of four physicians who take call on the pre-hospital ECMO ambulance.  She describes the process of their modified cutdown.  First, incision through the skin is made 2 cm below inguinal crease.  Second, blunt dissection down through the soft tissue.  This is best done with your fingers.  Third, place a needle through the distal skin and visualize it pass into the vessel.  From there, you cannulate as with percutaneous.  Alice’s recent paper shows a 6% failure rate with this technique in skilled hands.

In this episode, we tackle the subject of organ transplantation on ECMO.  2017 featured several articles showing the efficacy of ECMO for organ transplantation.  In Italy, 56% of total potential patients were successfully transplanted.  The success of these transplants have been comparable to patients not on ECMO.  Zack Shinar interviews Lionel Lamhaut, ECMO specialist from Paris, and Cyrus Olsen, ethicist from the University of Scranton, to dive into some of the deeper questions including financial implications, ethical angles, and research extrapolations.  Join Zack, Lionel and Cy at Big Sick 18 (bigsick18.org) in Zermatt Switzerland on February 7-9th,, 2018!!   1: Christopher DA, Woodside KJ. Expanding the Donor Pool: Organ Donation After Brain Death for Extracorporeal Membrane Oxygenation Patients. Crit Care Med. 2017 Oct;45(10):1790-1791. doi: 10.1097/CCM.0000000000002633. PubMed PMID: 28915178. 2: Bronchard R, Durand L, Legeai C, Cohen J, Guerrini P, Bastien O. Brain-Dead Donors on Extracorporeal Membrane Oxygenation. Crit Care Med. 2017 Oct;45(10):1734-1741. doi: 10.1097/CCM.0000000000002564. PubMed PMID: 28640022. 3: Casadio MC, Coppo A, Vargiolu A, Villa J, Rota M, Avalli L, Citerio G. Organ donation in cardiac arrest patients treated with extracorporeal CPR: A single centre observational study. Resuscitation. 2017 Sep;118:133-139. doi: 10.1016/j.resuscitation.2017.06.001. Epub 2017 Jun 12. PubMed PMID: 28596083. 4: Dalle Ave AL, Bernat JL. Donation after brain circulation determination of death. BMC Med Ethics. 2017 Feb 23;18(1):15. doi: 10.1186/s12910-017-0173-1. PubMed PMID: 28228145; PubMed Central PMCID: PMC5322624. 5: Larsson M, Forsman P, Hedenqvist P, Östlund A, Hultman J, Wikman A, Riddez L, Frenckner B, Bottai M, Wahlgren CM. Extracorporeal membrane oxygenation improves coagulopathy in an experimental traumatic hemorrhagic model. Eur J Trauma Emerg Surg. 2017 Oct;43(5):701-709. doi: 10.1007/s00068-016-0730-1. Epub 2016 Nov 4. PubMed PMID: 27815579; PubMed Central PMCID: PMC5629226. 6: Dalle Ave AL, Shaw DM, Gardiner D. Extracorporeal membrane oxygenation (ECMO) assisted cardiopulmonary resuscitation or uncontrolled donation after the circulatory determination of death following out-of-hospital refractory cardiac arrest-An ethical analysis of an unresolved clinical dilemma. Resuscitation. 2016 Nov;108:87-94. doi: 10.1016/j.resuscitation.2016.07.003. Epub 2016 Jul 20. Review. PubMed PMID: 27449821. 7: Fan X, Chen Z, Nasralla D, Zeng X, Yang J, Ye S, Zhang Y, Peng G, Wang Y, Ye Q. The organ preservation and enhancement of donation success ratio effect of extracorporeal membrane oxygenation in circulatory unstable brain death donor. Clin Transplant. 2016 Oct;30(10):1306-1313. doi: 10.1111/ctr.12823. Epub 2016 Sep 5. PubMed PMID: 27460305. 8: Jasseron C, Lebreton G, Cantrelle C, Legeai C, Leprince P, Flecher E, Sirinelli A, Bastien O, Dorent R. Impact of Heart Transplantation on Survival in Patients on Venoarterial Extracorporeal Membrane Oxygenation at Listing in France. Transplantation. 2016 Sep;100(9):1979-87. doi: 10.1097/TP.0000000000001265. PubMed PMID: 27306536. 9: Migliaccio ML, Zagli G, Cianchi G, Lazzeri C, Bonizzoli M, Cecchi A, Anichini V, Gensini GF, Peris A. Extracorporeal membrane oxygenation in brain-death organ and tissues donors: a single-centre experience. Br J Anaesth. 2013 Oct;111(4):673-4. doi: 10.1093/bja/aet323. PubMed PMID: 24027145.