
EDECMO Podcast
The ED ECMO Project is the work of Zack Shinar and Jon Marinaro to bring extracorporeal life support to EDs and ICUs around the world. This site aims to be the ultimate resource for the background, logistics, and evidence for resuscitative ECMO.
Latest episodes

Nov 22, 2020 • 47min
68: ARREST – The First Randomized ECPR Trial Ever
The ARREST Trial is published! Demetris Yannopoulos, Jason Bartos and their army of rockstars have done it! This is the first randomized ECPR trial and it showed tremendous benefit of ECPR compared to traditional therapies. Zack explores this paper and their concurrent publication of process with Demetris. Their two Lancet papers are below
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32338-2/fulltext
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30376-X/fulltext
In the news, Jenelle Badulak and her crew at UW saved a hypothermic mountaineer in Seattle. Story here.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54959874

Oct 14, 2020 • 34min
67: Da DO2: Fundamental ECMO Physiology with Sage Whitmore
Have you ever wondered about how initiating ECMO changes the cardiovascular physiology? Have you wondered what metrics you should be looking at when resuscitating a patient that has a beating heart and a ECMO flow? Dr. Sage Whitmore, an ED Intensivist from Nashville with ECMO training from UMichigan, leads us through the basic to the tough questions of ECMO physiology. Zack Shinar

Sep 7, 2020 • 36min
66: Crash VV ECMO
Have you ever wondered how you would crash someone onto VV ECMO? Have you ever wondered where is the best place to put the cannulas? Have stayed up late at night wondering which patients in your department could benefit from VV rather than VA ECMO? Then this is the episode for you!! After a few recent cases of crash VV ECMO in our hospital, we have decided to focus on the subject. Zack gets critical care physician David Willms to answer from a very practical standpoint the who, what, where of crash VVECMO.

May 23, 2020 • 34min
65: ECPR Journal Club: Dual Sequential Defibrillation, CT after ECMO, and much, much more
This month we tackle a number of topics. Garrett Sterling is back again with Zack Shinar to talk about cutting edge resuscitation, ECMO, and the interplay between the two. Dual sequential defibrillation, CT after ECMO initiation, should you perform bystander CPR in the era of Covid, some US ECMO data, and an awesome 3D modeling for ECPR training models. All in one 30 minute podcast!

Apr 23, 2020 • 32min
64: Contraindicated??? – Long Live the Aortic Dissection with Garrett Sterling
In this episode, Zack Shinar introduces a new physician to the podcast - Garrett Sterling. Garrett and Zack discuss the sticky topic of ECMO for aortic dissection. This traverses everything from VA ECMO in ECPR to VVECMO for pulmonary edema. They go through the literature on the subject and make some conclusions based on this data. The ultimate question - "Is Aortic Dissection a Contraindication for ECMO?"

Mar 22, 2020 • 23min
63: Covid and ECMO – Who do we cannulate? with Jenelle Badulak
"Normal life is changing. It is now a covid 19 life" - Bin Cao
I write this with some trepidation as well as pride in the role we get to play as we begin the surge of Covid 19 in the United States. Today we will address the use of ECMO in Covid with an expert in ECMO who is in the throws of the worst outbreak of the United States - Seattle, Washington. Jenelle Badulak and I give you a short yet powerful discussion about who we should put on ECMO with Covid.
Hosts - Zack Shinar, Jenelle Badulak

Feb 18, 2020 • 27min
62: Jason Bartos Take 2: The Future of ECPR Now
Last month you heard Jason talk about the ECPR program at the University of Minnesota. This month Zack and Jason talk about post initiation care and the crazy ECPR realities that Demetri, Jason and U of M have created. The sky is the limit for their team!

Jan 30, 2020 • 36min
61: Jason Bartos – ECPR Redefined
Jason Bartos and his crew at the University
of Minnesota have revolutionized the concept of ECPR for out of hospital cardiac arrests. His crew are interventional cardiologists who take OHCA straight to the cardiac cath lab. They have initiate times of around 6-8 minutes and have neurologically intact survival rates higher than 30%. Below are two of Jason’s recent papers which every person who considers themselves an ECPR fan should pour over with a fine-toothed comb. There is so much in these papers. We split this interview into two pieces because there is so many pearls in it.

Dec 3, 2019 • 51min
60: ECPR 2.0 with Scott Weingart
Today's episode focuses on the differences between ECMO physiology in the patient in cardiogenic shock versus the one in cardiac arrest.

Nov 4, 2019 • 36min
59: Partial REBOA and US PreHospital ECPR Revisited
This month we discuss two different topics we've recently had on the podcast. Albuquerque had started the first US prehospital ECPR program.... and now they have the first patient as well. Jon and Darren will share with us the exciting news. Second, we recently had Matt Martin on the podcast talking about partial REBOA. We got tons of email about this. This month Zaf Qasim and Austin Johnson come on to talk about some of the controversial aspects of partial REBOA. Zaf also gives us a great update on the state of REBOA in the world.