
The Fire These Times
The Fire These Times is a podcast by Lebanese writer and researcher Elia Ayoub and friends connecting academics, writers, artists and activists from around the world to “build the new in the shell of the old.”
It is a part of the From The Periphery Media Collective. To support: https://www.patreon.com/fromtheperiphery
Latest episodes

Dec 8, 2023 • 1h 27min
147/ From Capitalism Realism to Solarpunk Realities w/ HydroponicTrash, Luka Dowell, Ariel Kroon
This is an episode that Joey recorded a few months ago. We're releasing it now to take a bit of a break from our exploration of Israel-Palestine and because Solarpunk is how at least one of us, Joey, tries to create hope where none exists.
This episode was recorded after the four of us - Joey, Ariel Kroon, Luka Dowell and Andre aka @HydroponicTrash took part in the Solarpunk conference.
Solarpunk has an eye to a better future, but how do we get there? What is necessary for us to do, and how can we think differently, in order to make this better future possible? We focus on the relationship between speculative fiction, dual power, world-building, and political action.
The best way to support The Fire These Times is through Patreon.com/firethesetimes.
The other best way is to leave a review about The Fire These Times wherever you listen to podcasts.
And the other other best way is to tell your friends and enemies about The Fire These Times.
Episode Credits
Host: Joey Ayoub
Producer: Artin Salimi
Music: Rap and Revenge
Main theme design: Wenyi Geng
Sound editor: Artin Salimi
Episode design: Joey Ayoub
Links:
https://anarchosolarpunk.substack.com
Hydroponic Trash on TikTok
Solarpunk Now!
Solarpunk Presents

Dec 2, 2023 • 1h 9min
Palestine and Global Solidarity - Remastered w/ Sumaya Awad and Shireen Akram-Boshar
In this remastered release, Joey Ayoub is joined by Sumaya Awad and Shireen Akram-Boshar. Awad is a co-editor of the book Palestine: A Socialist Introduction, and Akram-Boshar is a contributor to the same book. Originally released on May 20th 2021, this episode has been remastered and re-released. Many of the topics discussed - including the ethnic cleansing of Palestine, the growing solidarity movements around the globe, the Palestinian struggle for liberation - all resonate in today’s context. This episode serves as a reminder that the recent escalation in Palestine has origins well before Oct 7 and that calls to end Israel’s genocide are growing louder and louder.
Recommendations:
Shireen:
Freedom Is a Constant Struggle: Ferguson, Palestine, and the Foundations of a Movement Paperback by Angela Davis
The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein
Islamophobia and the Politics of Empire by Deepa Kumar
A Woman in the Crossfire: Diaries of the Syrian Revolution by Samar Yazbeck
Sumaya:
The Ministry of Utmost Happiness by Arundhati Roy
Smiley’s People by John le Carré
Movies:
Qafr Kassem by Borhan Alaouié
The Feeling of Being Watched by Assia Boundaoui
The best way to support The Fire These Times is through Patreon.com/firethesetimes.
The other best way is to leave a review about The Fire These Times wherever you listen to podcasts.
And the other other best way is to tell your friends and enemies about The Fire These Times.
Episode Credits
Host: Joey Ayoub
Producer: Ayman Makarem
Music: Rap and Revenge
Main theme design: Wenyi Geng
Sound editor: Ayman Makarem
Episode design: Joey Ayoub

Nov 24, 2023 • 59min
146/ Jewish Safety Means Palestinian Liberation: Organizing In Israel-Palestine After Oct 7 w/ Sally Abed, Orly Noy and Amjad Iraqi
In episode 146, Joey Ayoub and Dana El-Kurd talk to Sally Abed, Orly Noy and Amjad Iraqi. Abed is a member of the national leadership of Standing Together (עומדים ביחד نقف معًا), a grassroots movement mobilizing Jewish and Palestinian citizens of Israel in pursuit of peace, equality, and social and climate justice. Orly Noy is the chair of B'Tselem, arguably Israel's most well-known human rights NGO, and editor of the Hebrew-language news magazine Local Call. Amjad Iraqi is a member of Al-Shabaka: The Palestinian Policy Network, an editor and writer at +972 Magazine, and previously an advocacy coordinator at Adalah - The Legal Center for Arab Minority Rights in Israel.
In this wide-ranging conversation, the hosts and guests spoke about the current state of Israel's political landscape, from its ongoing "Smotrichization" to the political crackdowns, from the normalization of genocidal rhetoric against Palestinians to the necessity of being "chronically optimistic" to push for change in Israel-Palestine. At a time when Netanyahu and the Israeli far-right have effectively taken over politics, and with so many self-described liberals joining in the calls for violence, principled left-wing voices seem all but gone in Israel. Finally, each guest shares their personal theory of change, offering a glimpse into their vision for the future.
These episodes are intended to be evergreen conversations. If you're interested in resources dedicated to real-time information, you can follow us on Instagram where we amplify voices on the ground in Palestine-Israel.
The best way to support The Fire These Times is through Patreon.com/firethesetimes.
The other best way is to leave a review about The Fire These Times wherever you listen to podcasts.
And the other other best way is to tell your friends and enemies about The Fire These Times.

Nov 17, 2023 • 1h 13min
145/ Arab Jews For Palestinian Liberation w/ Hadar Cohen and Dahab Kashi
Daniel and Joey host a conversation between Hadar Cohen and Dahab Kashi, exploring the radical power of Arab Jewish perspectives. Often seen as mutually exclusive identities, the existence and experience of Arab Jews transcends the narrow, and violent, confines of both Zionism and Arab Nationalism. The artist Yossi Zabari spoke about the power of the 'hyphen connecting Arab and Jew', and in this episode we explore the potential that acknowledging that hyphen has in our current critical moment.
The best way to support The Fire These Times is through Patreon.com/firethesetimes.
The other best way is to leave a review about The Fire These Times wherever you listen to podcasts.
And the other other best way is to tell your friends and enemies about The Fire These Times.
Credits:
Host: Daniel Voskoboynik and Joey Ayoub
Producer: Ayman Makarem
Music: Rap and Revenge
Main theme design: Wenyi Geng
Sound editor: Ayman Makarem
Episode design: Joey Ayoub

Nov 10, 2023 • 1h 7min
Understanding Hamas: Anti-Authoritarian Perspectives - Remastered
In light of the genocidal onslaught against Palestinians in Gaza following the October 7th Hamas attack, we've decided to re-release an old episode on Hamas, Gaza, and Palestine-Israel. In this episode from June 2021, Joey interviews Tareq Baconi, author of the book "Hamas Contained: The Rise and Pacification of Palestinian Resistance" published in 2018. Baconi meticulously outlines the nature of Israel's blockade on Gaza, the various aspects of Palestinian resistance to ongoing occupation, and contextualizes Hamas's role, structure, and motives within this wider social and political struggle.
The audio is remastered and includes a new introduction by Joey that situates this conversation in the post Oct 7th reality.
Episode Credits
Host: Joey AyoubProducer: Ayman MakaremMusic: Rap and RevengeMain theme design: Wenyi GengSound editor: Ayman MakaremEpisode design: Joey Ayoub

Nov 3, 2023 • 1h 17min
144/ Against the Imperialist Impulse w/ Abdullahi Ahmed An-Na'im
For episode 144, Daniel is joined by renowned Sudanese Professor Abdullahi Ahmed An-Na’im for a wide-ranging conversation on human rights, spirituality, and inter-cultural justice. Professor An-Na’im is an internationally recognized scholar of Islam and human rights, specifically from cross-cultural perspectives, and teaches courses in international law, comparative law, human rights, and Islamic law.
With intensifying human rights violations around the world, and longstanding failures from international bodies to curtail state and corporate impunity, how do we understand protecting human rights today? Abdullahi brings decades of experience as an activist, scholar and jurist to the table, drawing on cross-cultural prisms and critical religious thought.
Mentions
The works of Ustaz Mahmoud Taha:
Brief Bio of Ustaz Mahmoud Taha
Second Message of Islam, The – Syracuse University Press
Books by Professor Abdullahi Ahmed An-Na’im:
Decolonizing Human Rights
Islam and the Secular State — Abdullahi Ahmed An-Na'im | Harvard University Press
The best way to support The Fire These Times is through Patreon.com/firethesetimes.
The other best way is to leave a review about The Fire These Times wherever you listen to podcasts.
And the other other best way is to tell your friends and enemies about The Fire These Times.
Contact
You can follow The Fire These Times on: Website | Bluesky | Instagram | YouTube | Twitter | Substack
You can follow Daniel on: Website | Twitter | Instagram
Credits
Host: Daniel VoskoboynikProducer: Ayman MakaremMusic: Rap and RevengeMain theme design: Wenyi GengSound editor: Ayman MakaremEpisode design: Joey Ayoub

Oct 28, 2023 • 1h 31min
Special Episode: Roundtable on Israel-Palestine w/ Dana El Kurd, Orly Noy, and Yair Wallach
A roundtable discussion on Israel-Palestine featuring Dana El Kurd, Orly Noy, and Yair Wallach. They explore themes of grief, thinking through the current moment, and potential solutions. The Israeli response and repression, personal experiences of fear and grief, sustainability of the Israeli model, building solidarity, and the limitations of political institutions are discussed.

Oct 24, 2023 • 1h 14min
143/ Sudan in Revolution and War w/ Dalia Abdelmoniem and Raga Makawi
Ayman Makarem is joined by two Sudanese commentators, Raga Makawi and Dalia Abdelmoniem, to talk about the war in Sudan. Both guests talk at length about the situation as well as the political, economic, and revolutionary context it exists within. This intimate discussion explores the many ways Sudanese people are reflecting on and struggling against the current war situation. With little to no international attention, these voices are vital to listen to and learn from.
You can support The Fire These Times on patreon.com/firethesetimes with a monthly or yearly donation and get a lot of perks including early access, exclusive videos, monthly hangouts, access to the book club, merch and more.
Contact
You can follow The Fire These Times on: Website | Bluesky | Instagram | YouTube | Twitter | Substack
Credits:
Host: Ayman Makarem
Producer: Ayman Makarem
Music: Rap and Revenge
Main theme design: Wenyi Geng
Sound editor: Ayman Makarem
Episode design: Joey Ayoub

Oct 10, 2023 • 1h 1min
142/ How the World Failed Nagorno-Karabakh w/ Karena Avedissian & Anna
Elia Ayoub is joined by returning guests Karena Avedissian and Anna to talk about the recent crisis in Nagorno-Karabakh / Artsakh where the near entirety of the ethnic Armenian population was ethnically cleansed by Azerbaijan. The Aliyev dictatorship running Azerbaijan has met no challenges from the so-called international community - quite the contrary. What happened in Nagorno-Karabakh is a crime against humanity, the sort of crime that should never be normalized.
You can support The Fire These Times on patreon.com/firethesetimes with a monthly or yearly donation and get a lot of perks including early access, exclusive videos, monthly hangouts, access to the book club, merch and more.
Recommendations:
https://allforarmenia.org
https://www.miaseen.org
https://syunfund.org
https://astvatsaturian.org
https://evnreport.com
https://www.civilnet.am/en
Contact
You can follow The Fire These Times on: Website | Bluesky | Instagram | YouTube | Twitter | Substack
You can follow Karena on Twitter | Bluesky
Credits:
Host: Elia Ayoub
Guests: Karena Avedissian and Anna
Producer: Elia Ayoub
Music: Rap and Revenge
Main theme design: Wenyi Geng
Sound editor: Artin Salimi
Episode design: Elia Ayoub

Sep 26, 2023 • 55min
141/ How the EU Criminalizes Solidarity with Migrants w/ Border Violence Monitoring Network
Joey is joined by Anas & Elena from the Border Violence Monitoring Network to talk about the way in which the European Union is criminalizing solidarity with migrants and how the EU has turned the Mediterranean into a giant graveyard for people who look like me.
You can support The Fire These Times on patreon.com/firethesetimes with a monthly or yearly donation and get a lot of perks including early access, exclusive videos, monthly hangouts, access to the book club, merch and more.
Mentions and Book Recommendations:
Tech Won't Save Us podcast
Kerning Cultures podcast
Sortiermaschinen: Die Neuerfindung der Grenze im 21. Jahrhundert by Steffen Mau
Border: A Journey to the Edge of Europe by Kapka Kassabova
Contact
You can follow The Fire These Times on: Website | Bluesky | Instagram | YouTube | Twitter | Substack
You can follow Joey on: Website | Instagram | Bluesky | Mastodon, or reach out to him via email at contact@thefirethesetimes.com
Credits:
Host: Joey Ayoub
Producer: Joey Ayoub
Music: Rap and Revenge
Main theme design: Wenyi Geng
Sound editor: Artin Salimi
Episode design: Joey Ayoub
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