
Beatrice Institute Podcast
We’re wandering between two worlds. Modernity as we knew it is passing away, and the next world is yet to be born. Like Dante, we are in a dark wood, struggling to know how to think and how to live. Virgil guided Dante with the light of natural reason, then Beatrice illuminated the path to Paradise with Christian revelation.
Welcome to the Beatrice Institute Podcast, where Christian faith and reason illuminate the best of academic thinking and research. How should we think and live in this time between worlds? At Beatrice Institute, we take our bearings from the Good, the True, and the Beautiful.
This podcast reflects BI’s research and public engagement initiatives. As director of BI’s Genealogies of Modernity initiative, co-host Ryan McDermott asks guests, “What does it mean to be modern, where did we come from, and what comes next?” As director of BI’s Personalism and Public Policy initiative, Grant Martsolf asks, “How should we organize our common life to promote the flourishing of the person, made in the image of God?” And for our initiative on Being Human in an Age of Artificial Intelligence, Gretchen Huizinga asks, "What makes humans special and what does it mean to flourish on the frontier of a technological future?"
Latest episodes

Sep 9, 2020 • 55min
The Catholic Literary Scene and Wyoming Catholic College with Glenn Arbery
Glenn Arbery is a novelist and president of Wyoming Catholic College. He joins Ryan to discuss Catholic literature, past and present. They cover Caroline Gordon, Jacques Maritain, Allen Tate, Flannery O’Connor, and the literary scene today. Together they explore what it means to be a Christian artist and what makes Christian art Christian. Racism and southern literature New Agrarianism and the popular imagination The divided mind of the modern Is change possible in academia? How higher education can take the incarnation seriously Is Wyoming Catholic College an instance of the Benedict Option? Learning to write a novel When is the best time to write a novel? Links: Wyoming Catholic College Bearings and Distances by Glenn Arbery Wiseblood Books, founded by Joshua Wren

Aug 24, 2020 • 54min
On the God Who Mothers
Natalie Carnes is an associate professor of theology in the religion department at Baylor University and an affiliate faculty member in women's and gender studies. She and Elise discuss Natalie’s latest book, Motherhood: A Confession. They talk about Natalie’s love of Augustine and Gregory of Nyssa, how to approach art made by terrible people, and why beauty is often seen as a frivolous topic. What is beauty? Beauty and moral depravity Witness as an approach to art Gregory of Nyssa on beauty An Augustinian take on “slacktivism” Womanist theology Raising white daughters Mothering language for God Links: Beauty: A Theological Engagement with Gregory of Nyssa Motherhood: A Confession Image and Presence: A Christological Reflection on Iconoclasm and Iconophilia The Life of Moses by Gregory of Nyssa The Life of Macrina by Gregory of Nyssa Carolyn Forché “What Do We Do with the Art of Monstrous Men?” by Claire Dederer “Ferguson Mother of God: Our Lady against all Gun Violence” by Mark Dukes Emilie Townes Karen Baker-Fletcher Shawn Copeland Amey Adkins-Jones Kelly Brown Douglas Creation and the Cross by Elizabeth Johnson

Aug 10, 2020 • 1h 1min
Unions in a Libertarian Utopia with Mark Reiff
Mark Reiff is a scholar, lawyer, and author of five books on economics and labor. He joins John to talk about his latest book, In the Name of Liberty: The Argument for Universal Unionization. Mark discusses the libertarian argument for unions, the structure of distributive justice, and how self-ownership involves an obligation to others. He and John wrap up the conversation by examining the intersection between Aquinas and libertarianism. The decline of unionization rates What liberty requires How being a lawyer influenced his scholarship Would there be unions in a libertarian utopia? Public and private unions Why guilds are different institutions from unions Economic justice Police unions and reform Unions and globalization Links: In the Name of Liberty by Mark Reiff Lisa Herzog Peter Dietsch Mark Reiff's website

Jul 27, 2020 • 49min
Incarnational Forms of Life with Shannon Gayk
Shannon Gayk is Associate Professor of English and Director of the Medieval Studies Institute at Indiana University in Bloomington, Indiana. She joins Elise to talk about how literary forms reflect larger lived experiences. They discuss the importance of witness, the connection between experiencing art and being moved to action, and the relationship between ethics and aesthetics. They wrap up their conversation by exploring structures that can create collective flourishing. How do we get from texts to a transformed life? The relationship between ethics and aesthetics Incarnational literature Imaginative devotional practice Margery Kempe Lollards Sacred performance Apocalypse literature Climate change and medieval environmental writing Collective flourishing Links: Image Text and Religious Reform in 15th century England by Shannon Gayk The Highest Poverty Giorgio Agamben

Jul 13, 2020 • 44min
Enlightenment and Literature with Kirsten Hall
Kirsten Hall is a doctoral candidate at the University of Texas at Austin, a graduate fellow at the Austin Institute, and the managing editor of the Genealogies of Modernity Blog. She joins Ryan to discuss eighteenth-century literature, drama, and thought. Their conversation ranges from the historical importance of Cato, the eighteenth century’s Hamilton, to what 2001: A Space Odyssey can tell us about “the deep eighteenth century.” They also discuss the newest film adaption of Jane Austen’s Emma and the similarities between the comic novel and the movie Austenland. Calling cards for social media Genealogical anxiety The quarrel of the ancients and the moderns Jonathan Swift’s The Battle of the Books The eighteenth century’s concern about forgeries Joseph Addison’s Cato Eighteenth-century drama The splendid vices/pagan virtues 2001: A Space Odyssey and the deep eighteenth century Period costume dramas Slapstick and the comic novel Links: Genealogies of Modernity Blog The Battle of the Books by Jonathan Swift Cato by Joseph Addison Autumn de Wilde’s Emma Austenland

Jun 29, 2020 • 1h 3min
Finding Farming as a Christian Vocation with Jesse Straight
Jesse Straight is farmer and founder of Whiffletree Farm. The goal of Jesse’s business is “to farm in a way that is good for all parties involved: the land, the animals, our families, our customers, and our community.” Jesse explains what terms like “grass-fed” and “cage-free” really mean and how the COVID-19 pandemic is revealing the weaknesses in the industrial food system. He tells us about his relationship with the work of Wendell Berry, walks us through his decision to become a farmer, and gives his advice on vocational discernment. Carbon sequestration and pasture-based farming Wendell Berry Imitating biological systems The real meaning of “cage-free” and “grass-fed” The benefits of interning at a farm Why Christians should care about the industrial food system Vocational discernment Links Wendell Berry’s work Polyface Farm Joel Salatin books and DVDs Whiffletree Farm Whiffletree Farm Internships

Jun 22, 2020 • 1h 14min
Race and American Christianity with Anthony Bradley
Anthony Bradley is a professor of religious studies and director of the Center for the Study of Human Flourishing at the King’s College in New York City. He gives us a personalist analysis of the criminal justice system (touching on everything from architecture to food) and the Black Lives Matter movement. We discuss the relationship between Afro-pessimism, hope, and Eastern Christianity, and how Black experience informs trinitarian theology. We also talk about the dangers of missional narcissism and the invention of whiteness. Success and living a quiet life American eugenics movement The invention of whiteness Childhood trauma and educational outcomes Trauma-informed youth ministry Black experience and trinitarian theology Missional narcissism Exhaustion, tiredness, and race battle fatigue Personalism and the criminal justice system Restoration and rehumanizing Local compassion Christianity and Afro-pessimism Links: Black Lives Matter website The Redneck Manifesto by Jim Goad Hitler’s American Model by James Whitman The Narcissism Epidemic by Jean Twenge Between the World and Me by Ta-Nehisi Coates

Jun 15, 2020 • 50min
Genealogies of Modernity with Terence Sweeney
Terence Sweeney is editor-at-large of the Genealogies of Modernity Blog and is currently finishing his PhD in philosophy at Villanova. He joins us to talk about the role of the Christian genealogist and the place for wonder and curiosity in the modern university. We mix it up by playing a game of “would you rather” (Thomas Aquinas’s five ways or Pascal's wager?) and talking about Terence’s work as a sexton at his church. Why did God create time? The role of the Christian genealogist Biblical genealogy What would a modern St. Augustine look like? Plato and prayer Is curiosity a vice or a virtue? The research university and knowledge production Wonder and mystery Being a parish sexton Links: Genealogies of Modernity Blog Terence's piece on Hannah Arendt "The Catholic Bells" by William Carlos Williams

Jun 1, 2020 • 1h 9min
Andy Warhol and Theology of Contemporary Art with Jonathan Anderson
Jonathan Anderson, associate professor of art at Biola University, is currently pursuing a PhD in theology and religious studies. He joins us to discuss contemporary art and its theological implications. The conversation ranges from Christological approaches in art to the best artists currently dealing with theological themes. Art patronage in the past and today Financialization of art Epiphany and theophany American modernism The modern museum Politics in vision Secularity Christological approach to art Discourses of contestability Links: Modern Art and the Life of a Culture, co-authored by Jonathan Anderson Modern Art and the Death of a Culture by H. R. Rookmaaker Andrea Büttner Matt Kleberg Kris Martin Tim Hawkinson Doris Salcedo Teresa Margolles Francis Alÿs Jonathan Anderson’s website “Impasse” series by Jonathan Anderson

May 25, 2020 • 41min
Intentional Catholic Neighborhood Community with Katie and Brandon McGinley
Katie and Brandon McGinley live with their four children in an intentional Catholic neighborhood community. Brandon is a Catholic writer, and Katie is a retired librarian and full-time homeschooler. They discuss how their community began and how they’ve grown since then. The COVID-19 pandemic has forced them to think creatively about community building, and they share the ways they’ve safely stayed in touch with and supported the people they’re close to. They also look to the future, covering what it will be like coming out of lockdown and how they hope to see Catholic communities grow as a result of the pandemic. Community Begins with Friendship Organization and Growth of Communities The Spontaneity That Comes from Having a Stable Community How Big Can a Neighborhood Community Grow? Modeling Communities on the Present A Quarantine Holy Week Being Social while Respecting Social Distancing How Quarantine Could Change Religious Communities Links: Brandon’s Plough Article The Noonday Devil by Jean-Charles Nault Real Learning: Education in the Heart of the Home by Elizabeth Foss