The Modern Pain Podcast

Most chronic pain care ignores one of the most powerful drivers of symptoms: our emotions.In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Mark Lumley, a leading researcher in Emotional Awareness and Expression Therapy (EAET), to explore how unprocessed emotions, trauma, and life stressors can directly influence pain — and what to do about it.We break down:-The differences and overlaps between EAET and Pain Reprocessing Therapy (PRT)-How to help patients shift from body-focused to brain-focused views of pain-Cultural and healthcare system barriers to addressing emotions in           pain care-Practical, evidence-based strategies for clinicians and patients-Where the research is heading — and what it means for the future of pain treatmentResources Mentioned: • Dr. Mark Lumley’s University Page • Howard Schubiner’s Unlearn Your Pain • Association for the Treatment of Neuroplastic Symptoms (ATNS) 🎧 Subscribe to The Modern Pain Podcast:  @ModernPainPodcast  *********************************************************************📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com____________________________________Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

Are you tired of surface-level solutions in pain care? In this episode, Mark Kargela pulls back the curtain on the massive gap in pain programming and why our current clinical education models are failing both patients and providers.Mark introduces the Pain Practice OS—a structured, mentored, and market-ready program to help clinicians finally deliver meaningful, psychologically informed care.Whether you’re a physical therapist, chiropractor, or coach working with people in pain, this episode is your call to step up, lead, and transform your community.✅ Learn the flaws in traditional continuing education✅ Why marketing and financial literacy are essential skills✅ How to build a scalable, ethical pain program✅ Tools, mentorship, and real patient footage to accelerate learning✅ Why it’s time to stop waiting and start building👉 Join the waitlist for Pain Practice OS🎙️ Know someone changing the game in pain care? Let’s feature them! Reach out to Mark directly.*********************************************************************📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com____________________________________Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

As AI continues to evolve and integrate into more areas of healthcare, many clinicians are asking: will we be replaced? In this episode, Mark Kargela and Ben Whybrow have a frank conversation about how AI is affecting clinical work, what it can (and can’t) do well, and why the human elements of care—empathy, presence, collaboration—remain irreplaceable.You’ll hear how we’re using AI tools like ChatGPT in our content creation and case planning, the limitations we’ve seen in clinical decision-making, and why now is the time for clinicians to lean into the “soft” human skills that no algorithm can replicate.👇 Join our waitlist to learn how to build your future-proof skillset*********************************************************************📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com____________________________________Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

Many patients are doing something about their pain—but they’re still not living the life they want.In this episode of The Modern Pain Podcast, Dr. Mark Kargela breaks down how to help patients zoom out and reflect on whether their care is truly moving them toward what matters most—or just keeping them stuck in a cycle of appointments and short-term relief.You’ll learn:✅ Why “the medical merry-go-round” fails patients with complex pain✅ How to use simple questions to promote reflection and agency✅ A free download you can use in your next session to support these conversations🎁 Download the FREE Patient Reflection Tool: https://modernpaincare.com/reflect👇 Drop a comment: How do YOU guide patients to evaluate their care path?🧠 Join our movement to change the story around pain. Subscribe, share, and connect at modernpaincare.com*********************************************************************📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com____________________________________Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

Are you battling self-doubt and endless distractions that keep you from creating something that matters? You’re not alone.In this episode of the Modern Pain Podcast, I share how I spent six months fighting my own inner critic and finally took action on a project I deeply care about.We’ll talk about:✅ Why even experienced clinicians feel like imposters sometimes✅ The small, practical steps that helped me beat procrastination✅ Tools and habits I’m using to stay focused and off the doomscrolling hamster wheel✅ How these same principles apply to helping patients living with persistent pain🛠️ Tools mentioned:Brick Cold Turkey 🎯 What you’ll learn: • Real-world tips for breaking through perfectionism and fear • How to use tools like Pomodoro timers, productivity apps, and mindset shifts • Why your “inner critic” isn’t telling the truth (and what to do instead!)*********************************************************************📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com____________________________________Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

Pain Practice OS Waiting List Matt Erb returns to the show for an insightful and wide-ranging conversation on the future of physical therapy. We cover the limitations of the biopsychosocial model, practical mindbody strategies, billing within the system, trauma-informed care, and how clinicians can advocate for real change—both in their practice and the communities they serve.📃 Article - Advancing Physiotherapy in Mental Health: Guiding Principles for Whole-Person Care 📕 Integrative Rehabilitation Practice - Textbook Co-Edited by Matt *********************************************************************📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com____________________________________Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

In this episode, I sit down with Ben Whybrow, a pain specialist physio in the UK and new community manager for Modern Pain Care, to discuss the critical role of communication in modern healthcare. We break down why the traditional, paternalistic approach to patient interaction falls short and explore how guided discovery can lead to better outcomes for people in pain. If you’re a clinician looking to improve your communication skills and create more meaningful connections with your patients, this conversation is for you.🔗 Links Mentioned: • Modern Pain Care Program Interest List • Clinical Communication Podcast – Ben Whybrow • Gifford’s Aches and Pains Books *********************************************************************📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com____________________________________Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

In this episode, I sit down with Cameron Faller, co-founder of the Institute of Contextual Health, to discuss the future of healthcare. We explore the challenges of traditional, siloed care models and why a more interconnected, person-centered approach is essential for better patient outcomes. Cameron shares insights on process-based care, complexity science, the role of EMRs, and the potential for AI to revolutionize the patient experience. If you’re a clinician or healthcare provider looking to make a real impact, this episode is for you.🔗 Links Mentioned: • Institute of Contextual Health • Hayes & Hoffman’s Process-Based Therapy Book (recommended reading) (affiliate link) • Connect with Cameron on Instagram  *********************************************************************📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com____________________________________Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

In today’s episode, we tackle one of the biggest tensions modern clinicians face:How do you keep your schedule full and patients engaged without fear-mongering or overselling?I share how to reframe “sales” from manipulation to alignment, why selling your services is an ethical obligation, and how to transition from just treating pain to guiding patients toward long-term health and resilience.If you’ve ever felt stuck between wanting to do right by your patients and keeping your business thriving — this one’s for you.➡️ Learn how to out-value, not out-volume, the competition.➡️ Find out why selling real wellness is the future.➡️ Hear real-world strategies to build relationships, not dependency.**Timestamps**00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview00:09 Listener's Message and Common Struggles00:44 Reframing Sales in Healthcare01:10 Personal Journey with Sales02:20 Ethical Sales and Value Exchange04:54 Challenges with the Fix Model07:13 Broadening the Scope of Care14:08 Practical Tips for Ethical Sales17:12 Conclusion and Call to ActionSubscribe for more episodes:  https://youtube.com/@modernpainpodcastConnect with me:Website: https://modernpaincare.comInstagram: @modernpaincareEmail: mark@modernpaincare.com*********************************************************************📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com____________________________________Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

What if more treatment isn’t the answer?In this episode, we explore Creative Hopelessness—an ACT-based exercise that helps patients with persistent pain reflect on the real impact of their symptom management strategies.You’ll learn how to guide patients to see their patterns, validate their efforts, and gently open the door to a new, values-based direction.👇 Download the FREE clinician guide to walk through this exercise in your own sessions:https://modernpaincare.com/hopelessness*********************************************************************📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com____________________________________Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness