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Author Christy Rood comes on the podcast to discuss her faith story involving fundamentalism and her book on identity "Tracing the Threads: Examining the Story of Self for Lasting Change".  We discuss the different strands of fundamentalism and talk about how Evangelicals approach identity. Pick up a copy of her book here:  https://gcdiscipleship.com/books/tracing-the-thread Mentioned on the podcast: -Phil Vischer's video on "what is Evangelicalism?":  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiiRnO7UTTk -Phil Vischer podcast (with Phil Vischer) explaining the difference between Bob Jones-style fundamentalism and Billy Graham-style Evangelical.  https://philvischer.com/the-phil-vischer-podcast/episode-71-phils-great-uncle-iner-origins-of-evangelicalism-and-louis-cks-musings-on-emptiness/ -Patch the Pirate video (Sample) found here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8tAmbRxfwM -Book:  "Mindset:  The New Psychology of Success" by Carol Dweck, PH.D.  Order here:  https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/44330/mindset-by-carol-s-dweck-phd/ -Film:  "Soul" from Pixar Studios.  Watch the trailer here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs--6c7Hn_A -Check out Zach's music by going to:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com/album/the-darkest-time-of-year -Read Dave's occasional blogging at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com. Twitter: Zach- @muzach Dave- @Davejlester Christy- @christyrood Podcast music by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm

Zach and Dave chat about Dave Ramsey's financial guru empire that grew out of the Evangelical Church with a syncretistic blend of faith and American capitalism.  Also Zach shares a warning about the inherent demonic danger of Christian ventriloquial performance. On Ventriloquism: -Liberty Gospel Tracts - "What does the Bible say about ventriloquism?" - http://www.libertygospeltracts.com/question/prequest/ventriloquism.htm?fbclid=IwAR0iBlt5vDPhjhghnVNXFVisXy1NXc1FMIYFAd2-XvKq-YCyo3CqpmBZvxE Articles on Dave Ramsey mentioned or used as source material on the pod: -Matthew Paul Turner on Dave Ramsey "Spies, Cash and Fear:  Inside Christian Money Guru Dave Ramsey's Social Media Witch Hunt"  https://www.thedailybeast.com/spies-cash-and-fear-inside-christian-money-guru-dave-ramseys-social-media-witch-hunt -Bob Smietana's article, "Is Dave Ramsey's Empire the Best Place to Work in America?  Say 'No' and You're Out".  https://religionnews.com/2021/01/15/dave-ramsey-is-tired-of-being-called-a-jerk-for-his-stands-on-sex-and-covid/ -Dave Ramsey's full emailed response (through his public relations arm) to Bob Smietana's article:  https://religionnews.com/2021/01/15/full-ramsey-solutions-response/ -Article:  "The Gospel According to Dave" https://archive.is/9oIiJ -Article:  "Dave Ramsey Offers Powerful, Biblically Sound Response to Criticism over his Multi-Million Dollar Home". https://web.archive.org/web/20160306021332/http://www.gospelherald.com/articles/54676/20150310/dave-ramsey-offers-powerful-biblically-sound-response-to-criticism-over-his-multi-million-dollar-home.htm Zach's music can be experienced at https://muzach.bandcamp.com/ Dave occasionally blogs at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com Twitter: Zach -  @muzach Dave- @davejlester Music on podcast by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm

Author and Professor (at Simon Fraser University) Joel Heng Hartse joins the pod to talk about the world of Contemporary Christian Music (CCM) with highlights into the indie CCM music scene in the 1990s when many of us came of age.  We also discuss the differences between Canadian Evangelicalism and American Evangelicalism. Joel is the author of "Sects, Love and Rock & Roll: My Life on Record (Experiences in Evangelicalism)" which you can get a copy of here: https://wipfandstock.com/sects-love-and-rock-roll.html.  His work has also been featured in Image, Christianity Today, Beliefnet, Paste, Christ & Pop Culture and The Stranger. ***Note: In a discussion about former pastor and author Joshua Harris, Dave stated that Harris was the pastor of Sovereign Grace Church.  In fact, Harris is the former pastor of Covenant Life Church which was the founding church of Sovereign Grace Ministries.  Dave regrets the error. Christian Bands mentioned on the pod: Sixpence None the Richer PFR (Pray for Rain) Poor Old Lu (Aaron Sprinkle) Five Iron Frenzy The OC Supertones dc Talk Newsboys Audio Adrenaline Amy Grant Michael W Smith Jars of Clay Switchfoot Pedro the Lion (David Bazan) The Kry The Insiderz Toby Mac Kevin Max Carman Some of Joel's favorite albums: The Prayer Chain:  Mercury MewithoutYou:  Brother, Sister The Lonely Forest:  Nuclear Winter Zach's music can be experienced at https://muzach.bandcamp.com/ Dave occasionally blogs at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com Twitter: Zach -  @muzach Dave- @davejlester Joel- @joelhenghartse Music on podcast by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm

Adjunct professor of Bible and Theology at Trinity College Chris Date and Nate Jacobson join the pod to talk about the Evangelical belief in the negative hereafter.  An eternal Hell where unbelievers are tortured forever is a common belief in Evangelical circles but does the Bible actually teach about eternal conscious torment in a fiery pit? ______________________________ Check out Chris Date's website:  rethinkinghell.com and theopologetics.com. You can get a copy of Chris Date's book (with Phil Fernandes):  "Is Hell Forever:  Does the Bible Teach that Hell will be Annihilation or Eternal Torment?" For more information on the topic, check out:  "The Fire That Consumes: A Biblical and Historical Study of the Doctrine of Final Punishment" by Edward William Fudge Check out Nate Jacobson's writing and reflections:  https://afterall.net/ ______________________________ Mentioned on the Pod: Book:  "Love Wins: A Book About Heaven, Hell, and the fate of Every Person Who Ever Lived" by Rob Bell.  Order here:  https://bookoutlet.com/Store/Details/9780062049650B?source=ppc&ppc_campaign=u1407004000&gclid=CjwKCAiAq8f-BRBtEiwAGr3DgZttOGur2O0_TbS2-Cje58x9pTQvis5hyRat-9BdgKAjPy3luw7aLBoCwzgQAvD_BwE Book:  "The Divine Conspiracy: Rediscovering Our Hidden Life in God" by Dallas Willard.  Order here:  https://www.christianbook.com/the-divine-conspiracy-dallas-willard/9780060693336/pd/69333?en=google&event=SHOP&kw=christian-living-0-20%7C69333&p=1179710&dv=c&gclid=CjwKCAiAq8f-BRBtEiwAGr3DgV9iEiUtyHsE94-5KvbkW_c70pO24dgoQZiMLhluSe2hqV05Akc_mxoCku0QAvD_BwE Zach's music can be experienced at https://muzach.bandcamp.com/ Dave occasionally blogs at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com Twitter: Zach -  @muzach Dave- @davejlester Chris- @datechris Nate- @afterall_net Email: vocwpod@gmail.com Music on podcast by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm

Jessica Johnson, a professor (at William and Mary College) and author of "Biblical Porn:  Affect, Labor and Pastor Mark Driscoll's Evangelical Empire", joins the pod to talk about her anthropology work at Mars Hill Church in Seattle (from 2006-2008) which resulted in the definitive book about that megachurch.  Zach and Dave have shared their stories about being a part of Mars Hill Church in past episodes so this is an exploration of the megachurch's history, teachings and culture.  Jessica also shares about her current work on Jerry Falwell Jr and explains her developing thoughts on the culture war. Mentioned on the pod: Book:  "Biblical Porn: Affect, Labor and Pastor Mark Driscoll's Evangelical Empire" by Jessica Johnson.  Order here: 00:53:50.793 Zach.23 6 00:40:37.942 Article:  "The Self-Radicalization of White Men: 'Fake News' and Affective Networking of Paranoia" by Jessica Johnson.  Read here: https://www.academia.edu/36332026/The_Self_Radicalization_of_White_Men_Fake_News_and_the_Affective_Networking_of_Paranoia Article:  "Porn Again Christian?  Mark Driscoll, Mars Hill Church, and the Pornification of the Pulpit" by Jessica Johnson.  Read here:  https://www.academia.edu/12465355/Porn_Again_Christian_Mark_Driscoll_Mars_Hill_Church_and_the_Pornification_of_the_Pulpit Article:  "Trolling on Mission to Save a 'Pussified Nation'" by Jessica Johnson.  Read here: https://www.academia.edu/12474361/Trolling_on_Mission_to_Save_a_Pussified_Nation_Society_for_the_Social_Scientific_Study_of_Religion_2015_Paper_Abstract_accepted_ Article:  "Review of Jessica Johnson, Biblical Porn: Affect, Labor and Pastor Mark Driscoll's Evangelical Empire" by Greg Carey.  Read here: https://www.bibleandcriticaltheory.com/issues/vol-15-no-2-2019-bible-and-critical-theory/review-of-jessica-johnson-biblical-porn-affect-labor-and-pastor-mark-driscolls-evangelical-empire/ Article on "Pussified Nation":  "Inside Mark Driscoll's Disturbed Mind" by Rachel Held Evans.  Read here: https://rachelheldevans.com/blog/driscoll-troubled-mind-william-wallace Website on Mars Hill Church:  Joyful Exiles.  https://joyfulexiles.com/ Blog:  "Hello, my name is Mike, I'm a Recovering True Believer" by Mike Anderson:  http://mikeyanderson.com/hello-name-mike-im-recovering-true-believer Blog:  "It's All About Mark Driscoll:  The Tragedy of Mars Hill Church" by Dave Lester:  https://dangeroushope.wordpress.com/2014/03/28/its-all-about-mark-driscoll-the-tragedy-of-mars-hill-church/ -Purchase a vinyl copy of Zach Malm's Christmas album "The Darkest Night of the Year" by going here:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com/album/the-darkest-time-of-year -Zach has created a new mix of Christmas music.  40 tracks and over an hour and a half.  Download the music here:  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CbencqOQ4ti_r6jVjbiKloZpe9GmbEI7/view?fbclid=IwAR0xwEBkzLPgyJMBbisCN3FBcHzIii4a1ADSsmA2_1SQ1X7xr29cvLxSMSg -Read Dave's occasional blogging at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com. Twitter: Zach- @muzach Dave- @Davejlester Email: vocwpod@gmail.com Podcast music by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm

Zach and Dave were interviewed by Paul Swearengin of the "Non-Partisan Evangelical" Podcast.  This was recorded the night before our very first episode launched.  Thank you to Paul for having us on!  The conversation is in regards to the current status of the Evangelical church and what we think the future holds for this branch of American Christianity. __________________________________ -Check out the Non-Partisan Evangelical website here which includes podcasts, YouTube videos and more:  https://nonpartisanevangelical.com/ -You can get a copy of Paul Swearengin's debut novel:  "Joseph Comes to Town" by going here:  https://nonpartisanevangelical.com/joseph-comes-to-town-book/ Mentioned on the Pod: "Letters from a Birmingham Jail" by Martin Luther King Jr.  Read here:  https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/king-papers/documents/letter-birmingham-jail -Make sure you get your copy of Zach Malm's "The Darkest TIme of Year" by going here:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com/ -Check out music videos for some of the songs on "The Darkest Time of Year" by going to Zach's music channel on YouTube:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCw2vlOs1iwoKxuvt8eCGD9g?reload=9 -Zach has created a new mix of Christmas music.  40 tracks and over an hour and a half.  Download the music here:  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CbencqOQ4ti_r6jVjbiKloZpe9GmbEI7/view?fbclid=IwAR0xwEBkzLPgyJMBbisCN3FBcHzIii4a1ADSsmA2_1SQ1X7xr29cvLxSMSg -Dave occasionally blogs at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com Twitter: Zach -  @muzach Dave- @davejlester Paul- @pswearenginNPE Email: vocwpod@gmail.com Music on podcast by Zach Malm Logo done by Zach Malm

This episode is dedicated to the memory of Jeremy Cooper. Zach has a Christmas record out on vinyl!  Dave interviews his co-host about his Christmas album while chatting about how Evangelicals approach Christmas, how the message of Christmas is the opposite of the pursuit of political power and Zach's influences in recording his album.   Make sure you get your copy of Zach Malm's "The Darkest TIme of Year" by going here:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com/album/the-darkest-time-of-year Check out music videos for some of the songs on "The Darkest Time of Year" by going to Zach's music channel on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCw2vlOs1iwoKxuvt8eCGD9g?reload=9 Zach has made a new mix of Christmas music. 40 tracks, over an hour and a half. Download it here, and happy listening!   https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CbencqOQ4ti_r6jVjbiKloZpe9GmbEI7/view?fbclid=IwAR1xi1UNXD5usqjgjbHWcC5L45nWHWIuGgblpyBxhdvOqebiTvSJpp__l_U Dave occasionally blogs at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com Twitter: Zach -  @muzach Dave- @davejlester Email: vocwpod@gmail.com Music on podcast by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm Other music sampled on this podcast that you should check out: Cooper & Yates- Original Christmas music album written and recorded by Jeremy Cooper and Eric Yates in Seattle, WA between the months of October and December 2015.  cooperyates.bandcamp.com. Parenthetical Girls- Christmas music album.  Released November 26, 2010.  parentheticalgirls.bandcamp.com FIgures by Figures- released January 18, 2017.  figuresfigures.bandcamp.com CORRECTION:  In the discussion, Dave openly asks about the Baptist pastor who wrote "Twas the Night Before Christmas."  This was not written by a Baptist pastor.  The author of the famous poem is credited as Clement Clarke Moore, an Episcopalian as well as a writer and professor.  The poem first appeared on December 23, 1823 in the newspaper with no name attached.  There is controversy over authorship as the family of Henry Livingston, Jr claimed that their father had recited to them the poem 15 years before it was published in the paper.

Stephanie Drury, from Stuff Christian Culture Likes, joins the pod to talk about ambiguous grief, her love of high church Catholicism mixed with charismatic Christianity, the November 3rd election, Henri Nouwen and more. Find Stephanie: Twitter:  @Stuffcclikes Facebook:  Stuff Christian Culture Likes Website:  www.stuffchristianculturelikes.com Podcasts:  "Dongtini", "Hard Feelings" Some Podcasts where she was a guest on the show:  https://www.owltail.com/people/yNFHA-stephanie-drury/appearances Mentioned on the Podcast: Article:  Sara Billups opinion piece in the New York Times:  https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/01/opinion/trump-evangelicals.html Article:  Mere Orthodoxy on "The Five Stages of Evangelical Grief" by Brian Mesimer:  https://mereorthodoxy.com/five-stages-evangelical-grief/ Book:  "The Screwtape. Letters: Letters from a Senior to a Junior Devil" by CS Lewis.  Order here:  https://www.cslewis.com/uk/books/paperback/the-screwtape-letters-letters-from-a-senior-to-a-junior-devil-c-s-lewis-signature-classic/9780007461240/ Book:  "The Inner Voice of Love" by Henri JM Nouwen.  Order here:  https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/122879/the-inner-voice-of-love-by-henri-jm-nouwen/ -Make sure you get your copy of Zach Malm's "The Darkest TIme of Year" by going here:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com/ -Check out music videos for some of the songs on "The Darkest Time of Year" by going to Zach's music channel on YouTube:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCw2vlOs1iwoKxuvt8eCGD9g?reload=9 -Zach has created a new mix of Christmas music.  40 tracks and over an hour and a half.  Download the music here:  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CbencqOQ4ti_r6jVjbiKloZpe9GmbEI7/view?fbclid=IwAR0xwEBkzLPgyJMBbisCN3FBcHzIii4a1ADSsmA2_1SQ1X7xr29cvLxSMSg -Dave occasionally blogs at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com Twitter: Zach -  @muzach Dave- @davejlester Stephanie- @stuffcclikes Email: vocwpod@gmail.com Music on podcast by Zach Malm Logo done by Zach Malm

Writer and playwright Shannon Kearns talks to Zach and Dave about his story as a transgender Christian coming out of a more conservative upbringing.  Transgender theology is discussed as well as queer theology which Shannon helped co-found with Brian G. Murphy.  Shannon is currently writing a book for Eerdman's Publishing.  Be on the lookout for that in the next year or so. Follow Shannon Kearns on his Facebook page:  https://www.facebook.com/shannontlkearns/ Visit Queer Theology by going to:  https://www.queertheology.com/listen/ Check out Uprising Theater Company at:  https://www.uprisingtheatreco.com/ Mentioned on the podcast: Book:  Stealing Jesus: How Fundamentalism Betrays Christianity by Bruce Bawer.  Order here:  https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/9840/stealing-jesus-by-bruce-bawer-author-of-a-place-at-the-table/ Book:  Transforming: The Bible and the Lives of Transgender Christians by Austin Hartke.  Order here: http://austenhartke.com/book Book:  Otherwise Christian: A Guide for Transgender Liberation by Chris Paige.  Order here:  https://otherwisechristian.com/books/ Book:  Radical Love: An Introduction to Queer Theology by Patrick Cheng.  Order here:  https://www.churchpublishing.org/radicallove Book:  Queer Virtue: What LGBTQ Know About Life and Love and How It Can Revitalize Christianity by Reverend Elizabeth M. Edman.  Order here:  https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/529950/queer-virtue-by-the-reverend-elizabeth-m-edman/ Book:  Is the Homosexual my Neighbor?  By Letha Dawson Scanzoni and Virginia Ramey Mollenkott Book:  A Theology of Liberation:  History, Politics and Salvation by Gustavo Gutierrez.  Order here:  https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0171804/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0 Book:  A Black Theology of Liberation by Dr. James Cone.  Order here:  https://www.orbisbooks.com/a-black-theology-of-liberation.html TV Show:  "Pose".  From FX.  Watch a trailer here:  https://www.imdb.com/video/vi1441774617?playlistId=tt7562112&ref_=tt_ov_vi Documentary:  "Disclosure".   Streaming on Netflix.  Watch a trailer here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eF4m5AJhpA Film:  "Boys Don't Cry".  Information and movie trailer here:  https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0171804/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0 Make sure you get your copy of Zach Malm's "The Darkest TIme of Year" by going here:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com/ Check out music videos for some of the songs on "The Darkest Time of Year" by going to Zach's music channel on YouTube:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCw2vlOs1iwoKxuvt8eCGD9g?reload=9 Dave occasionally blogs at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com Twitter: Zach -  @muzach Dave- @davejlester Shannon- @shannontlkearns Email: vocwpod@gmail.com Music on podcast by Zach Malm Logo done by Zach Malm

Dedicated to the memory of Paul Malm. Randall Chrisman joins Zach and Dave to discuss Ableism, his experiences in Evangelical Christianity, and his story of faith.  They also analyze an episode of Focus on the Family's "Adventures in Odyssey" which was co-written by Zach's dad, Paul Malm, back in the 1990s. Mentioned on the pod: Book:  "Companions in Suffering" by Wendy Alsup.  Order here:  https://www.lifeway.com/en/product/companions-in-suffering-P008013447 TV Show:  "Away"    Streaming on Netflix.  Trailer here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f_REapPwio TV Show:  "Speechless" On ABC.   Learn more here:  https://www.vulture.com/2016/12/speechless-micah-fowler-interview.html Documentary:  "Crip Camp"  Streaming on Netflix.  Trailer here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRrIs22plz0 TV Show:  "Crip Tales"  On AMC Plus.   Learn more here:  https://disabilityinsider.com/2020/09/21/misc/bbc-americas-crip-tales-features-the-talent-of-people-with-disabilities/ Make sure you get your copy of Zach Malm's "The Darkest TIme of Year" by going here:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com/ Check out music videos for some of the songs on "The Darkest Time of Year" by going to Zach's music channel on YouTube:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCw2vlOs1iwoKxuvt8eCGD9g?reload=9 Dave occasionally blogs at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com Twitter: Zach -  @muzach Dave- @davejlester Randall- @writerrand Email: vocwpod@gmail.com Music on podcast by Zach Malm Logo done by Zach Malm