

Future Law Podcast
Future Law Podcast
This podcast cuts through the noise surrounding the future of law. All over the world and across all sectors, expanding and accelerating technologies are changing our lives and even changing us. How can the law and the legal profession keep up with all the changes? Law professors Michael Madison (US) and Dan Hunter (Australia) take a global view of the law and technology ecosystem, talking to lawyers, entrepreneurs, educators, students, and thought leaders across for-profit, non-profit, and government sectors.
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Oct 31, 2019 • 30min
The Future of Legal Education in Australia
After diagnosing the state of US legal education a few months ago, in this episode the terrific trio talk about the nature of Australian law schools and discuss some of the challenges that they face in the years to come. With insights from guests Prof George Williams AO (UNSW), Prof Nick James (Bond) and Prof Lesley Hitchens (UTS), this is the first podcast from Dan in his new role of Executive Dean at QUT, and is sure to be a classic. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Oct 20, 2019 • 36min
Michelle Mahoney, Head of Innovation at King & Wood Mallesons.
In this interview, the last of our investigations of how law firms are becoming tech firms, Dan Hunter talks with Michelle Mahoney, the head of innovation at King & Wood Mallesons. She discusses the layered approach to technology and innovation that this elite, multinational firm provides, and divides up the task into four useful categories.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Oct 13, 2019 • 29min
Deepak Pillai, Data Analyst for Clayton Utz
In this interview, we chat with Deepak Pillai, a data analyst who works at the blue chip Australian law firm Clayton Utz.
The firm took the unusual step of building a separate data analytics practice to complement its traditional legal practice. Deepak talks about why law firms might do this, how their clients respond to this type of offering, and how a data scientist from a social media marketing background came to be up close and personal with a bunch of lawyers.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Oct 6, 2019 • 39min
Jonathan Patterson, Managing Director & Head of Development of DWF Ventures
In this interview, Jonathan Patterson, the Managing Director & Head of Development of DWF Ventures, discusses how DWF has embraced managed legal operations, legaltech, and design thinking. They explore the innovative multi-disciplinary model of DWF Ventures, the concept of engine one and engine two products in a law firm, the impact of D.W.F. Ventures and Connected Services on the company's listing prospects, and the factors contributing to the growth of innovation in the UK legal industry.

Sep 30, 2019 • 28min
Every Law Firm is a Tech Firm
In this episode we talk about the way that law firms have responded to the new technology world in different ways.
This episode’s title comes from an observation we heard from the CEO of a legaltech firm who said that “every law firm is a tech firm.” What he meant was that every firm has an IT department, which isn’t that interesting a thought. But we realized that lots of firms do technology in interesting ways, and we wanted to explore these as lessons for everyone.
We feature three different sorts of law firms, King & Wood Mallesons which has a dedicated innovation director, Clyton Utz which runs a big data analytics group, and DWF which listed recently on the London Big Board and which uses a range of fascinating legaltech and design approaches. Join us, won't you, as we discuss how every law firm is a tech firm.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Sep 22, 2019 • 27min
Lisa Damon and Stephen Poor from Seyfarth Shaw
Lisa Damon and Stephen Poor, innovators and leaders at the global law firm Seyfarth Shaw, talk with Mike Madison and Dean Dan Hunter about developing Seyfarth Lean, the name the firm gives to its widely-recognized applied innovation strategies: data-driven process improvements, project management techniques, and legal technology R&D that have changed the firm's DNA.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Sep 15, 2019 • 33min
Simon Quirk on innovation in law firms and legaltech
In this interview, Dean Dan chats with his friend Simon Quirk, recovering lawyer, professional services consultant, and long-time serial entrepreneur. The discussion ranges over the nature of legal practice, how to do innovation in law firms, and what we should think about the new point solutions in legal tech and regtech.
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Sep 8, 2019 • 26min
Richard Hsu, senior legal recruiter, on creativity and more
Lisa Leong and her business partner, Tristan Forrester, escape Melbourne and travel to San Francisco, to record this special Future Law Podcast bonus episode. They track down Richard Hsu - the Managing Director of the Partner Practice Group of recruitment firm Major Lindsey & Africa. Richard is the host and producer of an ABA award winning podcast HsuUntied - and author of the LMA award winning blog HsuTube. Oh, and he was a lawyer! (Amongst other legal roles, he was an IP partner at Shearman & Stirling). Richard spoke about creativity, being trained as an Engineer - and how his HsuTube offering came to be...See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Aug 31, 2019 • 27min
Where Have All The Lawyers Gone?
Lisa Leong, Dean Dan Hunter, and Mike Madison take apart the challenges of modern law practice: clients increasingly want multi-functional capabilities from their lawyers and firms. The profession is full of talk of "T-shaped" lawyers, who combine deep legal knowledge and broad business and organizational skills. How can firms find, train, and keep these "T-shaped" professionals happy and productive? How can T-shaped lawyers find success in law firms, or beyond?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Aug 18, 2019 • 37min
Deborah Merritt, Professor at the Ohio State University
Professor Deborah Merritt of the Moritz College of Law at Ohio State University talks with Dan Hunter and Mike Madison about the sources of critical challenge in US law schools today and describes paths to re-invention, including a new focus on clients, for herself, for current students, and for law faculties.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.