

The Veterinary Project Podcast
The Veterinary Project Podcast
A show made by vets, featuring absolutely no pets!
The Veterinary Project Podcast sheds no hair, just light, on the areas of life that we believe the veterinary community should have a pulse on.
From enjoying the good days in the clinic to handling the tough ones - from personal improvement to professional development - from managing your money to investing in your future, we provide a veterinarian's view on a life well-lived.
Join us every Wednesday for new episodes. Stethoscopes allowed, headphones preferred!
The Veterinary Project Podcast sheds no hair, just light, on the areas of life that we believe the veterinary community should have a pulse on.
From enjoying the good days in the clinic to handling the tough ones - from personal improvement to professional development - from managing your money to investing in your future, we provide a veterinarian's view on a life well-lived.
Join us every Wednesday for new episodes. Stethoscopes allowed, headphones preferred!
Episodes
Mentioned books

Nov 22, 2023 • 1h
Shattering Taboos: Unveiling the Hidden Truths of Pregnancy & Maternity in the Veterinary World with Dr. Emily Singler
Dr. Emily Singler is a 2001 graduate of Penn State University and a 2005 graduate of University of Pennsylvania School of Veterinary Medicine. She has navigated 4 pregnancies while working in veterinary clinical practice and has been a working mom throughout the majority of her tenure as a veterinarian.
Her career in veterinary medicine has included experience in shelter medicine, private practice, and as a relief veterinarian. She currently works as a veterinary writer, consultant, and mentor and enjoys writing for both pet owners and veterinary professionals. Her writing interests include public health, preventive medicine, the human-animal bond, and life as a working mom.
She is the author of Pregnancy and Postpartum Considerations for the Veterinary Team, which is being published by CRC Press in November 2023. She has spoken both virtually and in person on working in veterinary medicine through pregnancy and beyond, with an emphasis on navigating workplace hazards, workplace protections against discrimination, planning parental leave, and returning to work. Currently, she is working toward becoming a RETAIN certified parental leave coach.
Emily is a mom of four kids, 2 dogs, and 1 cat. She enjoys spending time with her husband and kids, and she loves horseback riding and all things llama and alpaca. She is learning to embrace the chaos of having a big family and finds solace in connecting with others and eating chocolate.
**If you want to jump straight to the interview, skip ahead to 12:40!
After some always enjoyable banter time from Dr. Bugg and Dr. Leicht on everything from ChatGPT to video games, the conversation with Dr. Singler takes off covering:
The genesis of Emily's book
Why she decided to write a book
Researching the risks during pregnancy while working in practice
Discussion around leave to handle newborn care responsibilities
Considerations for non-birthing parents
Announcing a pregnancy in the workplace
How potential workplace discrimination arises
Navigating the challenges on veterinary teams that arise with pregnancy, parental leave, and child care
Emily's Impact Round
Thank you to Dr. Emily Singler for joining us on the show and sharing her message and insights on this important topic.
To order Dr. Singler's book, you can find it online here:
www.emilysinglervmd.com
https://www.amazon.com/Pregnancy-Postpartum-Considerations-Veterinary-Team/dp/1032524979
To connect with Dr. Singler, you can find her in the following places:
www.emilysinglervmd.com
@emilysinglervmd
Check out our website at theveterinaryproject.com for more info about the show, our hosts, and all things Veterinary Project, or follow us on Instagram @theveterinaryproject.
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can be sent to our Instagram, @theveterinaryproject.
Thank you for listening!

Nov 9, 2023 • 39min
Dr. Jenna Donaldson on Buying-in to Practice Ownership and Solving Market Needs with Trillium Equine
Dr. Jenna Donaldson graduated from the Ontario Veterinary College in 2013 and has been working as an equine ambulatory veterinarian ever since.
She has practiced in Alberta, New York and southern Ontario. Today, she is a partner at Rotenberg Veterinary, an equine mobile practice based in Schomberg, ON.
Through her years working at a variety of different practices, Jenna has developed a passion for creating a sustainable work environment for equine veterinarians.
In 2022, she launched Trillium Equine Veterinary Services providing after-hours mobile emergency care to horses in southwestern Ontario.
Trillium Equine's focus is to improve the quality of life of equine vets, allowing them to stay in practice longer than might have been possible with typical on-call requirements.
In this wide-ranging conversation with Jenna we cover
The journey from graduation to working as an associate to becoming a partner
The partnership buy-in process
Building a great team and why it matters when buying-in to a practice
Difference between being an employee and an owner
Starting up a "side-hustle" in Trillium Equine to solve a need in the marketplace
Jenna's Impact Round!
Thank you to Jenna for joining us on the show! If you'd like to connect with Jenna, you can find her through Trillium Equine Veterinary Services online in the following places:
@trilliumequine
https://trilliumequine.ca/
https://www.facebook.com/trilliumequine
Check out our website at theveterinaryproject.com for more info about the show, our hosts, and all things Veterinary Project, or follow us on Instagram @theveterinaryproject.
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can be sent to our Instagram, @theveterinaryproject.
Thank you for listening!

Oct 25, 2023 • 45min
Elaine Froese, Canada's Farm Whisperer; Family Management and Tools for a Successful Life
Elaine Froese has coached over 1000 families helping decrease their anxiety over the uncertainty of their future. She has authored 5 books, and written a column for 27 years in Grainews, and is seen in Progressive Dairy and Spud Smart magazine.
She’s a Wilson Loree Excellence in Farm Management award winner, who provides practical tools and roadmaps to find fairness in farm transition.
Froese Family Farms near Boissevain in Southwestern Manitoba is her home base, where she farms with her husband, son, and daughter in law. At 66, her succession plan is building a team of 7 coaches to replicate her work.
Faith Today magazine calls her “Canada’s Farm Whisperer”.
CBC radio calls her the “Dr. Phil for farmers. “
Penny, Ruby, and Read call her “Gramma.”
Elaine understands the culture of agriculture and is gifted at helping folks see great outcomes and workable paths for their family farms.
Her mission is to help families find harmony through understanding.
Who is Elaine Froese
The FAIR model for making transitions
Workplace culture, values, and making decision
Tools for discussing tough issues
Making clear your expectations and getting your needs met
How things change (financially) and what the career focus should be in your 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, or 60s
All things start with the question, "what do you want?"
Mic-drop moments that you'll want to note
Elaine's Impact Round!
Thanks for joining us for this incredible episode with Elaine Froese!
If you'd like to connect with Elaine you can find her online in the following places:
www.farmfamilycoach.com
www.elainefroese.com
@farmfamilycoach across all the social channels
Check out our website at theveterinaryproject.com for more info about the show, our hosts, and all things Veterinary Project, or follow us on Instagram @theveterinaryproject.
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can be sent to our Instagram, @theveterinaryproject.
Thank you for listening!

Oct 4, 2023 • 42min
State of the Veterinary Profession
Long time no see VPP listeners!
Welcome back to the show - we're so excited to be back on air!
And yes, we know, we said we'd be back in September. We've already done our 50 push-ups as punishment.
On with the show though as Dr. Bugg and Dr. Leicht reconnect, get reacquainted, share some personal and professional wins, and dive into the current state of the veterinary profession with its many challenges and many optimisms.
Topics covered include:
Welcoming the new class of students to Vet Med
When you realize that the Veterinary Project Podcast is helping people make big life decisions in joining the profession!
Dr. Jonathan Leicht updates on Bridgeland, Mosaic, 60+ hour weeks, and quality time with the family
Dr. Michael Bugg updates on the real estate world and a dream opportunity come true
Price rediscovery in clinic valuations
Why we're in an "operating environment" and what that means
Changing Locum sentiment as a result of wage changes
Utilization rates and the rising cost of services
Veterinary professionals still need to focus on their mental health
Thanks for joining us for our relaunch and we'll see you again in two weeks for another episode!
Check out our website at theveterinaryproject.com for more info about the show, our hosts, and all things Veterinary Project, or follow us on Instagram @theveterinaryproject.
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can be sent to our Instagram, @theveterinaryproject.
Thank you for listening!

Jun 14, 2023 • 29min
Spring turns to Summer for The Veterinary Project
We're in a season of transition here at the Veterinary Project, as Dr. Jonathan Leicht and Dr. Michael Bugg share the moving pieces in today's episode.
With plenty of activity on the business front, along with family vacations planned for the summer, our team is shifting gears and buckling down for a summer of push combined with quality time with our families.
We wanted to share with you some of the things we've learned in making this transition, including:
Business ventures in the vet med and real estate investing spaces
Why we're taking a hiatus until September
The four seasons of life and how it relates to current business ventures
Jonny's removal of Instagram and how it positively impacted his life (and use of time)
Summer plans, Summer fun, and what's coming next Fall
Wishing you and your loved ones an amazing summer - we look forward to more conversations, interviews, and great guests in Fall 2023!
Check out our website at theveterinaryproject.com for more info about the show, our hosts, and all things Veterinary Project, or follow us on Instagram @theveterinaryproject.
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can be sent to our Instagram, @theveterinaryproject.
Thank you for listening!

May 31, 2023 • 49min
Sharing Your Story with Dr. Melanie Barham, CEO of Vets Stay Go Diversify
A big welcome back to the show to Dr. Melanie Barham! A previous guest from 100+ episodes ago, no doubt a lot has changed as she now leads the team at Vets Stay Go Diversify, an organization committed to helping veterinary professionals and employers find a great fit for what they need.
Melanie is a veterinarian, entrepreneur, speaker, educator, and mum. She holds a DVM from the Ontario Veterinary College, and an MBA in Sustainable Commerce from the University of Guelph, and a Project Management Professional designation.
Melanie has held roles in many fields of vet med including sport horse medicine, consulting, laboratory, surveillance, not-for-profit/ NGO, and charity sectors. She founded the DVM Project, the North American branch of VSGD, and formally joined the VSGD team in September 2022. Melanie’s MBA research focused on veterinary career paths.
Topics covered in our episode with Melanie include:
From the DVM Project to CEO of Vets Stay Go Diversify
How to craft a great story
The power of story for employers seeking great candidates
Developing your personal story as an employee seeking a great place to work
Why employers should ask their current employees questions why they choose / continue to work at your clinic
What stories aren't you telling?
What does the data say about our industry (employee and employer satisfaction)
How to renew your interest in the veterinary industry if you're feeling bored or disenchanted
Why do most people undersell themselves and what can we do about it?
The relativity of extraordinary and normal
Why storytelling is more "sticky"
Tips for crafting your story to increase connection and bridge the gap
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melaniebarhamdvm/
Email: mel@vsgd.co
Website: https://vsgd.co/
Check out our website at theveterinaryproject.com for more info about the show, our hosts, and all things Veterinary Project, or follow us on Instagram @theveterinaryproject.
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can be sent to our Instagram, @theveterinaryproject.
Thank you for listening and we'll catch you again in 2 weeks for another episode of The Veterinary Project Podcast!

May 17, 2023 • 24min
The Relationship Roundtable with Mike & Jonny
Welcome to Mike & Jonny's "Relationship Roundtable"!
In this episode, Dr. Bugg and Dr. Leicht are talking about relationships...and no, they did not become relationship coaches!
Personally and professionally relationships are key to success in life.
Amidst current struggles in both areas, Mike and Jonny decided to bring the subject some light to share what's working, what's not, and how they're working to get better. Through hearing their challenges we hope you'll find something helpful for you.
Topics covered include:
Relationships are everything!
Being responsible to the relationships in your personal and professional life
The struggles of keeping relationships in good standing
Time vs. attention
What's working for us
Being genuinely curious about others
Got some relationship tips for us? Send them directly - we'd love to hear from you!
Check out our website at theveterinaryproject.com for more info about the show, our hosts, and all things Veterinary Project, or give us a follow.
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Thank you for listening and we'll catch you again in 2 weeks for another episode of The Veterinary Project Podcast!

May 3, 2023 • 50min
Taking Control of Your Clinic's Tracking with Yang Shi and Cecilia Baer of VetSnap
Yang Shi, Founder and CEO, and Cecilia Baer, Director of Sales at VetSnap join us for a conversation unlike anything we've had on the Veterinary Project Podcast...
Being compliant with the controlled drugs and substances we use in veterinary medicine is incredibly important. It's also something that many clinics find time consuming, and employees find draining.
That's where VetSnap comes into play - by simplifying the tracking process and making compliance easy.
Prior to VetSnap, Yang headed up technology at National Veterinary Associates. Before that he worked in aerospace, consumer electronics product management, and management consulting. He lives in Northern California with his wife and pup, Penny.
Cecilia has worked in the veterinary industry as a technician for 13 years, then in sales for the last 9 years. She lives in Kentucky with her husband, 3 two-legged kids, and 3 four-legged kids!
Topics covered in this eye-opening conversation include:
Yang and Cecilia's journey to today
Why compliance in tracking controlled drugs and substances matters
Just how much time and money do poor tracking practices cost?
Getting clinic staff with little time to adopt new technologies
Having faith in the entrepreneurial journey
Yang and Cecilia's Impact Round!
Thank you to Yang and Cecilia for joining us on the show, sharing their stories, and illuminating us on the benefits of VetSnap.
If you'd like to learn more about VetSnap, check out their website or find them on Facebook!
https://go.vetsnap.com/
https://www.facebook.com/VetSnap
Check out our website at theveterinaryproject.com for more info about the show, our hosts, and all things Veterinary Project, or follow us on Instagram @theveterinaryproject.
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can be sent to our Instagram, @theveterinaryproject.
Thank you for listening and we'll catch you again in 2 weeks for another episode of The Veterinary Project Podcast!

Apr 30, 2023 • 45min
Your Money is Your Responsibility with Jillian Carr, BFA, CHS Founder of Steady Gait Planning
Jillian Carr is the driving force behind Steady Gait Planning Inc., a financial planning practice offering people in the veterinary community a place to feel educated and empowered by their financial journey.
Jillian has spent the last 16 years in the Financial Services industry, 8 of those years were working with leading financial services companies and the last 8 building Steady Gait Planning.
Building a practice in a male dominated, antiquated world has been challenging. Jillian learned to truly follow her authentic self and ideas. Jillian is no stranger to diversity in life and finances – watching her parents divorce at the age of 19, navigating a mother with mental illness and 15 years later seeing her dad, her career and life advisor, pass away due to complications from a traumatic brain injury all while trying to build her business during the height of the pandemic. Jillian is a designated financial advisor, an active member on the board of the advisor association, and an ally and mental health advocate in the veterinarian community.
Topics covered in our wide-ranging conversation with Jillian include:
Getting to the root of people's financial fears
Common money stories veterinarians have
Why people are scared to have conversations about money, especially with contract negotiations
Why we're afraid to talk about the money positives
Shifting your financial plan as your career progresses
Tactics for better money conversations
100% responsibility motto
Getting actively involved in your finances
Jillian's Impact Round!
Thank you to Jillian for joining us for a courageous money conversation.
jillian@steadygaitplanning.com
IG: @steadygaitplanninginc
Budgeting tool mentioned in the show:
https://itools-ioutils.fcac-acfc.gc.ca/BP-PB/budget-planner
Check out our website at theveterinaryproject.com for more info about the show, our hosts, and all things Veterinary Project, or follow us on Instagram @theveterinaryproject.
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can be sent to our Instagram, @theveterinaryproject.
Thank you for listening and we'll catch you again in 2 weeks for another episode of The Veterinary Project Podcast!

Apr 5, 2023 • 36min
Veterinary Employment Contracts in 2023
Back in 2021, we aired Episode 026 on understanding contracts.
Well, a lot has changed in the industry over the past two years, so we've put together an update and included answers to the most common questions Dr. Jonathan Leicht has been getting at recent event presentations with new grads, practicing veterinarians, and employers.
Topics covered and questions answered include:
Expected salary ranges for new grads
What increased salaries mean for production expectations from employers
Signing bonuses: red flag or the norm?
The power of informal references in your job search
Both sides of retention bonuses
Where we're at with non-competes
What are "rolling contract terms"
Extras in contracts to consider
Allowing time for reviewing, due diligence, and negotiations
Want to learn more about Veterinary Employment Contracts? Check out our first episode, Episode 026, where we dive deeper into the subject:
Episode 026 - Understanding Contracts
Check out our website at theveterinaryproject.com for more info about the show, our hosts, and all things Veterinary Project, or follow us on Instagram @theveterinaryproject.
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can be sent to our Instagram, @theveterinaryproject.
Thank you for listening and we'll catch you again in 2 weeks for another episode of The Veterinary Project Podcast!