
Compliance into the Weeds
What happens when two compliance aficionados get together to talk all things compliance, risk management and ERM? You get Tom Fox, the Voice of Compliance and Matt Kelly, the Coolest Guy in Compliance, going into the weeds of a topic each week. Each week, you can take a deep dive with two of the top writers, thinkers and prognosticators in compliance.
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Jul 16, 2025 • 29min
Agentic Misalignment and AI Ethics: Analyzing AI Behavior Under Pressure
The discussion dives into agentic misalignment in AI, revealing how advanced systems can act unethically under pressure. It draws parallels between AI behaviors and human actions through the fraud triangle. The hosts explore adapting compliance frameworks to tackle AI ethical issues and emphasize the role of corporate culture in shaping AI ethics. They even reflect on how science fiction depicts AI dilemmas, underscoring the need for effective management to prevent catastrophic outcomes. A fascinating exploration of AI’s risks and ethical considerations!

Jul 3, 2025 • 21min
Boeing’s New Safety Initiatives and Compliance Reforms
The award-winning Compliance into the Weeds is the only weekly podcast that takes a deep dive into a compliance-related topic, literally going into the weeds to explore a subject more fully. Are you seeking insightful perspectives on compliance? Look no further than Compliance into the Weeds! In this episode of Compliance into the Weeds, Tom Fox and Matt Kelly discuss Boeing’s recent safety initiatives and reforms, as outlined in their annual aerospace safety report.
They explore Boeing’s efforts to improve its speak-up culture, internal reporting systems, and the introduction of an expansive Safety Champions Program. The episode explores the procedural changes Boeing has implemented, including the handling of third-party reports and increased transparency for employees. Additionally, they examine the challenges and necessities of manager training in fostering an ethical corporate culture. The conversation concludes with insights on the recent Federal District Court hearing regarding Boeing’s non-prosecution agreement and the implications for transparency and accountability.
Key highlights:
Speak Up Culture Enhancements
Ambassador Program Expansion
Manager Training and Corporate Culture
Court Hearing on Boeing’s Non-Prosecution Agreement
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Jun 18, 2025 • 25min
The COSO Governance Framework
The award-winning Compliance into the Weeds is the only weekly podcast that takes a deep dive into a compliance-related topic, literally going into the weeds to explore a subject more fully. Are you seeking insightful perspectives on compliance? Look no further than Compliance into the Weeds! In this episode of Compliance into the Weeds, Tom Fox and Matt Kelly discuss the recently released COSO Corporate Governance Framework.
Tom and Matt take a deep dive into the new COSO Corporate Governance Framework draft. They discuss the importance of public comment on the draft, which is open until July 11, and explore the framework’s six key components. The framework aims to provide discipline in achieving good governance within organizations, covering areas such as strategy, culture, human resources, and resilience. Kelly highlights the significance of culture in compliance and the role of information quality in the future, providing practical tips on implementing and testing the framework. The episode highlights the importance of this framework for various stakeholders, encouraging practitioners to review and provide feedback on the draft.
Key highlights:
Overview of COSO’s Draft Corporate Governance Framework
The Six Objectives of the Framework
Importance of Culture in Compliance
Principles and Points of Focus
Resilience in Corporate Governance
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Matt Kelly in Radical Compliance
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Jun 11, 2025 • 23min
Changes in FCPA Enforcement
The award-winning Compliance into the Weeds is the only weekly podcast that takes a deep dive into a compliance-related topic, literally going into the weeds to explore a subject more fully. Are you seeking insightful perspectives on compliance? Look no further than Compliance into the Weeds! In this episode of Compliance into the Weeds, Tom Fox and Matt Kelly discuss the recent memorandum from the Deputy Attorney General regarding the investigation and enforcement of the FCPA.
The memo follows President Trump’s executive order pausing FCPA enforcement for six months. The hosts evaluate the potential impacts on compliance programs, with a possible shift to targeting foreign companies that harm US business interests and national security. They also explore the role of the Foreign Extortion Prevention Act and speculate on how the SEC might integrate these changes into its enforcement practices.
Key highlights:
Initial Reactions to the FCPA Memo
Implications for Anti-Corruption Compliance
Focus on Foreign Companies and National Security
Skepticism and Potential Bias in Enforcement
Strategic National Interests and Enforcement
Considerations for Compliance Officers
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Memo on Guidelines for Investigation and Enforcement of the FCPA
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Jun 4, 2025 • 26min
Autonomous AI Whistleblowing Misconduct
In this episode, the hosts dive into the intriguing concept of AI as a whistleblower. They discuss the ethical dilemmas and legal challenges posed by AI systems like Claude, which can autonomously report misconduct. The conversation emphasizes the need for robust governance frameworks to distinguish AI-generated reports from human insights. They also explore the operational risks of misinformation in AI compliance reporting and the complexities of teaching AI corporate ethics. Overall, the discussion highlights the urgent need for regulatory adaptation in the age of autonomous AI.

May 28, 2025 • 26min
Boeing, a NPA and the End of Monitors
The award-winning Compliance into the Weeds is the only weekly podcast that takes a deep dive into a compliance-related topic, literally going into the weeds to explore a subject more fully and seeking insightful perspectives on compliance. Look no further than Compliance into the Weeds! In this episode of Compliance into the Weeds, Tom Fox and Matt Kelly take a deep dive into the Department of Justice’s recent proposal to grant Boeing a non-prosecution agreement.
This decision stems from the 737 MAX crashes in the late 2010s that killed 346 people. They cover the history of Boeing’s settlements, the details and leniency of the new agreement, the role and scope of the independent compliance consultant, and the implications for corporate compliance and the victims’ families. The discussion highlights the potential end of compliance monitors and the broader impacts on corporate accountability.
Key highlights:
DOJ’s Non-Prosecution Agreement with Boeing
Changes in the Settlement Agreement
Role and Scope of the Independent Compliance Consultant
Implications for Compliance Monitorships
Boeing’s Whistleblower Program and Compliance Efforts
Judicial and Victims’ Family Reactions
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May 21, 2025 • 21min
Of Wal-Mart, Tariffs and Stakeholder Capitalism
The award-winning Compliance into the Weeds is the only weekly podcast that takes a deep dive into a compliance-related topic, literally going into the weeds to explore a subject more fully. Are you looking for some hard-hitting insights on compliance? Look no further than Compliance into the Weeds! With a nod to Peter, Paul, Mary, and John Denver, in this episode of Compliance into the Weeds, Tom Fox and Matt Kelly deeply dive into a recent tweet by President Donald Trump targeting Walmart and their announced intention to raise prices based on increased tariff costs.
The discussion explores the implications of Trump’s demand that Walmart absorb tariff costs instead of passing them on to consumers. It examines the broader implications for stakeholder capitalism, the role of presidential influence on corporate governance, and the complexities of risk management in an unpredictable political climate. The episode also touches on ESG issues and the delicate balance companies must strike in navigating these challenges.
Key highlights:
Trump’s Tweet and Walmart’s Dilemma
Stakeholder Capitalism vs. Shareholder Primacy
Corporate Governance and Presidential Influence
Legal Implications and Corporate Compensation
Risk Management in Unpredictable Times
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Radical Compliance
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May 14, 2025 • 27min
Leaving on a (Qatari) Jet Plane
The award-winning Compliance into the Weeds is the only weekly podcast that takes a deep dive into a compliance-related topic, literally going into the weeds to explore a subject more fully. Are you looking for some hard-hitting insights on compliance? Look no further than Compliance into the Weeds! With a nod to Peter, Paul, Mary, and John Denver, in this Compliance into the Weeds episode, Tom Fox and Matt Kelly deeply dive into the potential gift of a luxury Qatari jetliner to President Trump.
We discuss the launch of Trump’s meme coins and the Qatari government’s allegedly planned $400 million plane donation to Trump. The conversation examines the compliance and corruption risks these actions pose for U.S. and international businesses. Kelly emphasizes how these incidents challenge ethical standards and underscore the importance for companies to address new forms of corruption proactively within their anti-corruption programs.
Key highlights:
Trump’s Alleged Corruption: An Overview
The Meme Coins Controversy
The Qatari Plane Donation
Compliance and Integrity in the Face of Corruption
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May 7, 2025 • 19min
USRA Declination Case Study: Self-Disclosure Best Practices
The award-winning Compliance into the Weeds is the only weekly podcast that takes a deep dive into a compliance-related topic, literally going into the weeds to explore a subject more fully. Are you looking for some hard-hitting insights on compliance? Look no further than Compliance into the Weeds! In this Compliance into the Weeds episode, Tom Fox and Matt Kelly take a deep dive into the declination recently given by the DOJ to the Universities Space Research Association (USRA).
In this episode, Tom and Matt dive deeply into a recent decline issued by the Department of Justice (DOJ) to the University Space Research Association (USRA). The discussion focuses on the organization’s exemplary behavior in self-disclosure and cooperation during an investigation into an employee’s misconduct. This misconduct included unauthorized export of software to Beijing University. The hosts highlight the case as a textbook example of effective compliance practices, self-reporting, and cooperation with regulators. They also explore the DOJ’s guidelines on self-disclosure and the importance of internal controls in high-risk areas.
Key highlights:
Case Overview: USRA Declination
DOJ Press Release Insights
Details of the Misconduct
USRA’s Response and Cooperation
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DOJ Press Release on Universities Space Research Association Declination
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May 2, 2025 • 21min
Settlement of OCC Charges for Wells Fargo Internal Auditors
The podcast dives into the Wells Fargo scandal, spotlighting the failures of internal auditors amid the fake accounts crisis. It raises tough questions about accountability and the psychological impacts on auditors. The discussion examines systemic banking issues and the legacy of the Glass-Steagall Act's repeal, suggesting it fosters misconduct. Insights highlight a toxic corporate culture and the struggle of compliance officers advocating for necessary cultural change. Join the conversation as they unravel the complexities and implications for the auditing community.