The Wealth Without Wall Street Podcast

By Russ Morgan & Joey Muré
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Dec 11, 2025 • 36min

Why Transitioning Out of the Military Is Scarier Than Combat with Jonathan Bates

What could be more terrifying than facing enemies on the battlefield or disarming a bomb? For military men, leaving the service can be more unnerving than combat because it means losing their identity and purpose. How can veterans overcome the fear of the unknown and build new paths to success after service?In this powerful episode, Jonathan Bates joins Russ and Joey to share his experience transitioning from the military and the challenges that came with leaving behind a structured environment. After 26 years of service and leaving the only life he knew, Jonathan discovered the importance of mentorship, business ownership, and defining his family’s vision. Jonathan discusses how his nonprofit, Patriot Growth Capital, is addressing the three major problems veterans face post-service. Through this organization, Jonathan empowers veterans and their families to step into business ownership, offering mentorship, financial backing, and a comprehensive training program. His approach bridges the gap between military service and civilian success, creating a pathway for veterans to grow and thrive.Top three things you will learn: -Understanding the mental challenges of transitioning from military service to civilian life-Building new skills and redefining your identity outside of the military-How to thrive in the civilian worldAbout Our Guest:Jonathan Bates, Lt. EOD, USN (Ret.), is a principal at Patriot Growth Capital. This company focuses on supporting veterans’ families by helping individuals become the best version of themselves while teaching them to own and operate businesses.Jonathan transitioned from a 26-year naval career as an explosive ordnance disposal technician to consulting to empower today’s youth and leaders. With over 16 years of experience in business coaching, private equity, and mergers and acquisitions, he has fostered organizational cultures rooted in the philosophy, “We think about you, so you can think about others.”Looking ahead, Jonathan has ambitions to complete 50 acquisitions annually and generate $1 billion in revenue to support American veteran families.Disclaimer: The opinions expressed on this podcast are solely those of the hosts and guests and do not constitute financial advice. Always consult a licensed professional for financial decisions.This episode is sponsored by a podcast show partner. We may receive compensation if you use links or services mentioned in this episode.The hosts may have a financial interest in the programs or services mentioned in this episode.Connect with Jonathan Bates:-Website - https://atlvets.org/ and https://patriotgrowthcapital.com/💸 Build a Passive Income Machine in 3 Steps:Here’s how to flip the script and start building wealth the way the wealthy do 👇👀 Step 1 – Watch the Free 40-Minute Masterclass on the Infinite Banking Concept👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/free-ibc-webinar📞 Step 2 – Book a Free Call with Our Team (We Do This All Day, Every Day)👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/accelerate📈 Step 3 – Start Building Passive IncomeJoin the Passive Income Lab👉 ChoosePassiveIncome.comMore Ways to Learn & Grow Wealth (For Free)💾 Download the Passive Income Operating System👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/piosebook👥 Join 10,000+ Investors Inside Our Free Community👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/communityPaying $250K+ in Taxes? Stop the Bleed.😡 Apply for Our Next Tax Strategy Intensive👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/taxGrab Our Book: Wealth Without Wall Street: 3 Steps to Freedom Through Passive Income📘 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/newbookStay Connected:📸 Instagram: @wealthwithoutwallst—
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Dec 9, 2025 • 36min

Round Table | They Told You to Use IUL for Infinite Banking — Here’s Why That’s Wrong

Jamie O'Brien, a financial coach with a focus on real estate, discusses the complexities of Indexed Universal Life (IUL) products in the realm of Infinite Banking. He highlights the hidden fees and risks associated with IULs that can undermine financial growth. The conversation delves into why whole life insurance offers more predictable wealth-building opportunities. The guests also explain how IULs can create tax bombs and lead to policy collapse, encouraging listeners to consider safer, guaranteed financial strategies instead.
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Dec 4, 2025 • 45min

We Make $50,000/Month in Passive Income… But Totally Disagree on How To Do It

We all want to achieve financial freedom, but there's no single path to getting there. What is the right way to go?In this episode, Russ and Joey have a heated debate about the best way to create passive income and achieve financial freedom. Though the duo has reached $50,000 per month in passive income, they completely disagree on how to do it. Russ advocates for investing in deals with long-term equity returns that may take years to pay off, while Joey emphasizes the importance of consistent monthly cash flow to cover expenses now. They also break down their passive income report for October 2025, sharing details of their investments that contribute to their impressive monthly cash flow. Tune in to better understand the key differences between cash flow-focused investments and long-term growth strategies. Top three things you will learn: -How different investor mindsets shape wealth-building strategies-Which investments actually produce predictable results-The possibility of earning both a monthly cash flow and long-term equityOctober 2025 Income At-A-Glance: -Gross Income for October: $64,050.56-Total Expenses for October: $13,535.31-Total Net Profit for October: $50,515.25-Difference b/t September & October: $6,431.25-% of net profit to overall gross revenue: 79%Disclaimer: The opinions expressed on this podcast are solely those of the hosts and guests and do not constitute financial advice. Always consult a licensed professional for financial decisions.This episode is sponsored by a podcast show partner. We may receive compensation if you use links or services mentioned in this episode.The hosts may have a financial interest in the programs or services mentioned in this episode.💸 Build a Passive Income Machine in 3 Steps:Here’s how to flip the script and start building wealth the way the wealthy do 👇👀 Step 1 – Watch the Free 40-Minute Masterclass on the Infinite Banking Concept👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/free-ibc-webinar📞 Step 2 – Book a Free Call with Our Team (We Do This All Day, Every Day)👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/accelerate📈 Step 3 – Start Building Passive IncomeJoin the Passive Income Lab👉 ChoosePassiveIncome.comMore Ways to Learn & Grow Wealth (For Free)💾 Download the Passive Income Operating System👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/pios👥 Join 10,000+ Investors Inside Our Free Community👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/communityPaying $250K+ in Taxes? Stop the Bleed.😡 Apply for Our Next Tax Strategy Intensive👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/taxGrab Our Book: Wealth Without Wall Street: 3 Steps to Freedom Through Passive Income📘 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/newbookStay Connected:📸 Instagram: @wealthwithoutwallst—
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Dec 2, 2025 • 26min

Round Table | The Greatest "Scam" Banks Ever Fell For: $200 Billion in Life Insurance

Are you curious about how banks make lots of money? In this episode, the financial coaches dive into one of the lesser-known financial strategies that banks use to build wealth: Bank-Owned Life Insurance (BOLI). While BOLI is typically utilized by financial institutions to create long-term, tax-deferred growth, the coaches break down how anyone can apply the same principles to their own financial strategies. They explain how BOLI provides financial freedom through tax advantages, compounding growth, and safe wealth accumulation. If you’re looking to build wealth in a way that outlives traditional methods, this episode is a must-listen. Top three things you will learn:-How banks leverage life insurance to build wealth and mitigate financial risks-Why bank-owned life insurance (BOLI) is a valuable strategy for personal finances-Practical steps to integrate the same strategies used by banks into your own financial planningDisclaimer: The opinions expressed on this podcast are solely those of the hosts and guests and do not constitute financial advice. Always consult a licensed professional for financial decisions.This episode is sponsored by a podcast show partner. We may receive compensation if you use links or services mentioned in this episode.The hosts may have a financial interest in the programs or services mentioned in this episode.💸 Build a Passive Income Machine in 3 Steps:Here’s how to flip the script and start building wealth the way the wealthy do 👇👀 Step 1 – Watch the Free 40-Minute Masterclass on the Infinite Banking Concept👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/free-ibc-webinar📞 Step 2 – Book a Free Call with Our Team (We Do This All Day, Every Day)👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/accelerate📈 Step 3 – Start Building Passive IncomeJoin the Passive Income Lab👉 ChoosePassiveIncome.comMore Ways to Learn & Grow Wealth (For Free)💾 Download the Passive Income Operating System👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/piosebook👥 Join 10,000+ Investors Inside Our Free Community👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/communityPaying $250K+ in Taxes? Stop the Bleed.😡 Apply for Our Next Tax Strategy Intensive👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/taxGrab Our Book: Wealth Without Wall Street: 3 Steps to Freedom Through Passive Income📘 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/newbookStay Connected:📸 Instagram: @wealthwithoutwallst—
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Nov 27, 2025 • 29min

How to Turn Farmland into Cash Flowing Communities with Brandon Cobb

Are you looking for a unique and profitable investment opportunity? In this episode, Brandon Cobb joins Russ and Joey to discuss how to transform farmland into cash-flowing communities. As a co-founder of HBG Capital, Brandon shares insights into turning raw land into thriving residential areas that national homebuilders are eager to buy. He dives into the current market demand for entry-level housing, explaining the critical shortage and the opportunity for smart investors to profit by developing land for affordable housing. Brandon walks through the step-by-step process of land acquisition and entitlement, and explains how forced appreciation increases land value. He also discusses the benefits of working with national homebuilders and the importance of location and market research. Whether you're a real estate investor or looking to break into land development, this episode provides a roadmap for creating profitable communities and building long-term wealth.Top three things you will learn: -Land development as a profitable investment-Understanding the growing gap between renting and home ownership-Strategies for success in the land development marketAbout Our Guest:Brandon Cobb is the CEO of HBG Capital. He began his career in medical device sales, following the conventional path society laid out for him. After achieving early success in the corporate world, Brandon’s life took an unexpected turn when he was unexpectedly let go from his dream job. This event sparked a transformation, as Brandon realized he needed to take control of his own financial future.Determined to create a new path, Brandon ventured into life coaching, blogging, and launching a course on breaking into medical device sales, all of which ended in failure. However, he didn’t give up and turned to real estate investing. Brandon now specializes in developing affordable housing communities in Nashville, TN, while helping others achieve financial freedom and live life on their own terms by using real estate as a tool to unlock time and life experiences.Disclaimer: The opinions expressed on this podcast are solely those of the hosts and guests and do not constitute financial advice. Always consult a licensed professional for financial decisions.This episode is sponsored by a podcast show partner. We may receive compensation if you use links or services mentioned in this episode.The hosts may have a financial interest in the programs or services mentioned in this episode.Connect with Brandon Cobb:-Website - https://www.hbgcapital.net/ and https://learnlanddevelopment.com/💸 Build a Passive Income Machine in 3 Steps:Here’s how to flip the script and start building wealth the way the wealthy do 👇👀 Step 1 – Watch the Free 40-Minute Masterclass on the Infinite Banking Concept👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/free-ibc-webinar📞 Step 2 – Book a Free Call with Our Team (We Do This All Day, Every Day)👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/accelerate📈 Step 3 – Start Building Passive IncomeJoin the Passive Income Lab👉 ChoosePassiveIncome.comMore Ways to Learn & Grow Wealth (For Free)💾 Download the Passive Income Operating System👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/piosebook👥 Join 10,000+ Investors Inside Our Free Community👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/communityPaying $250K+ in Taxes? Stop the Bleed.😡 Apply for Our Next Tax Strategy Intensive👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/taxGrab Our Book: Wealth Without Wall Street: 3 Steps to Freedom Through Passive Income📘 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/newbookStay Connected:📸 Instagram: @wealthwithoutwallst—
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Nov 25, 2025 • 35min

Round Table | Stop Doing This: The Hidden Traps Keeping You From Financial Freedom

In this engaging discussion, financial coaches JD Hill, a traditional advisor turned money liberator, and Ben Music, a 'mad scientist' of passive income, delve into the pitfalls of conventional money advice. They debunk myths around paying off your mortgage and utilizing 401(k)s, exposing how these can trap you financially. JD stresses the importance of liquidity, while Ben warns about rigid 529 plans. Tune in for insights on smarter investments and strategies to reclaim your financial freedom from the Wall Street mindset.
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Nov 18, 2025 • 24min

Round Table | The One Thing They Don’t Want You to Know About Infinite Banking

Did you know that there's a path to achieving financial freedom without relying on traditional methods?In today's conversation, the financial coaches reveal the one thing the financial system doesn't want you to know about the Infinite Banking concept (IBC). This powerful strategy, often misunderstood or overlooked, enables individuals to take control of their finances and establish sustainable passive income streams. The coaches explain how IBC works, its benefits, and why it's not just for the wealthy. They also share real-life examples of how everyday people are using this strategy to build financial freedom and accelerate their path to wealth. By focusing on building your own bank through whole life insurance policies, you can create a system that works for you instead of trying your luck on Wall Street. Tune in to understand why this strategy is the key to unlocking true financial independence and how it can transform your financial future.Top three things you will learn:-How IBC works and why it's a powerful tool for creating passive income-Why whole life insurance is the key to achieving financial freedom-The common myths surrounding IBC and how to avoid costly mistakes when setting up your insurance policyDisclaimer: The opinions expressed on this podcast are solely those of the hosts and guests and do not constitute financial advice. Always consult a licensed professional for financial decisions.This episode is sponsored by a podcast show partner. We may receive compensation if you use links or services mentioned in this episode.The hosts may have a financial interest in the programs or services mentioned in this episode.💸 Build a Passive Income Machine in 3 Steps:Here’s how to flip the script and start building wealth the way the wealthy do 👇👀 Step 1 – Watch the Free 40-Minute Masterclass on the Infinite Banking Concept👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/free-ibc-webinar📞 Step 2 – Book a Free Call with Our Team (We Do This All Day, Every Day)👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/accelerate📈 Step 3 – Start Building Passive IncomeJoin the Passive Income Lab👉 ChoosePassiveIncome.comMore Ways to Learn & Grow Wealth (For Free)💾 Download the Passive Income Operating System👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/piosebook👥 Join 10,000+ Investors Inside Our Free Community👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/communityPaying $250K+ in Taxes? Stop the Bleed.😡 Apply for Our Next Tax Strategy Intensive👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/taxGrab Our Book: Wealth Without Wall Street: 3 Steps to Freedom Through Passive Income📘 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/newbookStay Connected:📸 Instagram: @wealthwithoutwallst—
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Nov 13, 2025 • 33min

Maximizing Your Business Valuation Before Selling with Saul Cohen

Selling your business may be one of the hardest decisions any business owner has to make. But even if you don’t plan to sell any time soon, it’s still important to think about an eventual exit.In today's episode, Saul Cohen joins Russ and Joey to discuss the steps business owners should take to successfully prepare for an exit and ensure a lucrative sale. This episode provides valuable insights for business owners who may be unaware of the strategies to maximize valuation.Saul shares why it's essential to understand your business's valuation early and the massive impact it can have on your exit. Whether you're building a lifestyle business or planning for a future sale, he emphasizes the importance of tax-efficient compounding. Don’t miss out on the opportunity to increase your business’s valuation. Take the first step by learning more about building the right systems and preparing for a successful exit long before it's time to sell. Top three things you will learn: -Why business owners need to prepare for an exit -How to increase your business valuation -The importance of systematic financial processes About Our Guest:Saul Cohen is an experienced accountant and acquisitions advisor who is passionate about helping entrepreneurs achieve financial growth through strategic acquisitions and insightful financial planning. Having supported over 100 acquisitions, he brings a wealth of expertise in guiding business owners through complex transactions.Saul is dedicated to assisting business owners who feel stuck by guiding them through tax planning, exit strategies, and acquisitions to ensure long-term financial success.Disclaimer: The opinions expressed on this podcast are solely those of the hosts and guests and do not constitute financial advice. Always consult a licensed professional for financial decisions.This episode is sponsored by a podcast show partner. We may receive compensation if you use links or services mentioned in this episode.The hosts may have a financial interest in the programs or services mentioned in this episode.Connect with Saul Cohen:-Website - wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/businessvaluation💸 Build a Passive Income Machine in 3 Steps:Here’s how to flip the script and start building wealth the way the wealthy do 👇👀 Step 1 – Watch the Free 40-Minute Masterclass on the Infinite Banking Concept👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/free-ibc-webinar📞 Step 2 – Book a Free Call with Our Team (We Do This All Day, Every Day)👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/accelerate📈 Step 3 – Start Building Passive IncomeJoin the Passive Income Lab👉 ChoosePassiveIncome.comMore Ways to Learn & Grow Wealth (For Free)💾 Download the Passive Income Operating System👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/piosebook👥 Join 10,000+ Investors Inside Our Free Community👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/communityPaying $250K+ in Taxes? Stop the Bleed.😡 Apply for Our Next Tax Strategy Intensive👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/taxGrab Our Book: Wealth Without Wall Street: 3 Steps to Freedom Through Passive Income📘 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/newbookStay Connected:📸 Instagram: @wealthwithoutwallst—
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Nov 11, 2025 • 33min

Round Table | Where Are People Investing Now to Get Passive Income Heading Into 2026?

When interest rates shift, the rules of investing, borrowing, and building passive income shift too. In this timely conversation, the financial coaches discuss the upcoming rate cuts, their ripple effects across real estate and the economy, and how savvy investors should prepare.They break down why cheaper capital creates more deals, but also more risk, and how lower borrowing costs can push up asset prices, lure amateurs into the market, and create dangerous financial traps for the unprepared. The financial coaches also explain why having access to capital, maintaining liquidity, and following a solid system matter far more than chasing rates or trying to time the market.From infinite banking loan rate opportunities to underwriting real estate deals in a changing market, this episode shows listeners how to think like professional investors – protecting capital, maintaining optionality, and deploying funds when opportunity arises.Top three things you will learn:-How interest rate cuts create new investing opportunities-Why passive income beats accumulation-focused investing-How to position yourself before rates dropDisclaimer: The opinions expressed on this podcast are solely those of the hosts and guests and do not constitute financial advice. Always consult a licensed professional for financial decisions.This episode is sponsored by a podcast show partner. We may receive compensation if you use links or services mentioned in this episode.The hosts may have a financial interest in the programs or services mentioned in this episode.💸 Build a Passive Income Machine in 3 Steps:Here’s how to flip the script and start building wealth the way the wealthy do 👇👀 Step 1 – Watch the Free 40-Minute Masterclass on the Infinite Banking Concept👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/free-ibc-webinar📞 Step 2 – Book a Free Call with Our Team (We Do This All Day, Every Day)👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/accelerate📈 Step 3 – Start Building Passive IncomeJoin the Passive Income Lab👉 ChoosePassiveIncome.comMore Ways to Learn & Grow Wealth (For Free)💾 Download the Passive Income Operating System👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/piosebook👥 Join 10,000+ Investors Inside Our Free Community👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/communityPaying $250K+ in Taxes? Stop the Bleed.😡 Apply for Our Next Tax Strategy Intensive👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/taxGrab Our Book: Wealth Without Wall Street: 3 Steps to Freedom Through Passive Income📘 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/newbookStay Connected:📸 Instagram: @wealthwithoutwallst—
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Nov 6, 2025 • 30min

The IUL Illusion: What Kyle Busch’s $8.5M Loss Teaches About Real Financial Freedom

Do you want to learn how to build a financial system that generates passive income without relying on Wall Street?In this episode, Russ and Joey share their monthly passive income report, revealing the strategies they use to generate consistent, reliable cash flow without relying on traditional financial systems. They also share actionable steps on how to replicate their success. The duo goes on to discuss the crucial lessons from Kyle Busch’s $8.5 million loss, exploring how it highlights the distinction between perceived financial success and real financial freedom. Tune in to learn why traditional wealth-building strategies often fall short, and how creating a sustainable system can lead to true financial freedom just like it has for Russ and Joey.Top three things you will learn: -The limitations and risks of indexed universal life insurance policies-The importance of a financial system-Why clarity and control in your financial decisions matterSeptember 2025 Income At-A-Glance: -Gross Income for September: $57,618-Total Expenses for September: $13,534-Total Net Profit for September: $44,084-Difference b/t August & September: $8,575-% of net profit to overall gross revenue: 77%Disclaimer: The opinions expressed on this podcast are solely those of the hosts and guests and do not constitute financial advice. Always consult a licensed professional for financial decisions.This episode is sponsored by a podcast show partner. We may receive compensation if you use links or services mentioned in this episode.The hosts may have a financial interest in the programs or services mentioned in this episode.💸 Build a Passive Income Machine in 3 Steps:Here’s how to flip the script and start building wealth the way the wealthy do 👇👀 Step 1 – Watch the Free 40-Minute Masterclass on the Infinite Banking Concept👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/free-ibc-webinar📞 Step 2 – Book a Free Call with Our Team (We Do This All Day, Every Day)👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/accelerate📈 Step 3 – Start Building Passive IncomeJoin the Passive Income Lab👉 https://www.choosepassiveincome.com/More Ways to Learn & Grow Wealth (For Free)💾 Download the Passive Income Operating System👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/pios👥 Join 10,000+ Investors Inside Our Free Community👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/communityPaying $250K+ in Taxes? Stop the Bleed.😡 Apply for Our Next Tax Strategy Intensive👉 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/taxGrab Our Book: Wealth Without Wall Street: 3 Steps to Freedom Through Passive Income📘 wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/newbookStay Connected:📸 Instagram: @wealthwithoutwallst—

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