
The Next-Level Income Show
Raise your Income, investments, and life to the next level! Do you want to live life on your own terms? Financially independent people have assets that generate income greater than their expenses. We explore ways how people have increased their income and net worth to achieve financial independence (and how you can too).
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Mar 11, 2025 • 29min
Ep 246: The “Fixed Income GOAT” with Nic DeAngelo
Are you looking to achieve financial freedom through real estate investing? In this episode, we delve into the world of fixed-income investments with Nic DeAngelo, founder of Saint Investment Group, who has built a $200M+ real estate portfolio.
🔥 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
✅ Fixed Income vs. Equity Investing: Understanding the benefits of fixed income investments in today's market.
✅ Investing in Distressed Mortgages: How purchasing non-performing mortgage notes can lead to steady returns while aiding homeowners.
✅ Economic Trends in Real Estate: The importance of analyzing long-term real estate market trends for informed investment decisions.
✅ Nic's Journey to Success: From unpaid internships to managing a nationwide real estate fund, learn the strategies behind Nic's achievements.
Why Watch?
Whether you're a seasoned investor or just starting, understanding alternative investment strategies like mortgage-backed securities can diversify your portfolio and provide stable cash flow. Gain insights into the real estate housing market, discover tips for buying a foreclosed home, and learn about the best time to buy a house.
Don't Miss Out!
Stay ahead in the real estate market by learning from experts like Nic DeAngelo. Subscribe to our channel for more insights into investment properties, passive income, and achieving financial independence through real estate.
Nic DeAngelo is known as the "Fixed Income GOAT" in real estate circles. With a $206M+ portfolio, he fuses economic foresight and real estate prowess for an exciting and value-driven discussion for podcast audiences. He invests by two foundational beliefs: - Wall Street is broken. Real Estate is the cure. - Economics tells the future. As CEO/Founder of Saint Investment Group, He leads a veteran team acquiring institutional-grade real estate assets nationwide. Our 30+ state portfolio, 24 projects, and 500+ loans showcase our strategy-driven prowess, with Saint on track to raising $100M+ yearly. I’ve received praise from high-level podcasters like Hunter Thompson, Tyler Lyons, and Jonathan Cattani, with me being the guest on some of their highest-reviewed episodes. My data-driven investing approach. For this reason, every podcast I’ve been featured on has invited me back for updates on the compelling economic insights we’ve reviewed on their shows. My knack for simplifying complex theories allows me to provide you with dense material in an entertaining, bite-size way.
Contact Nic:
Check out saintinvestment.com
Learn more at: http://saintinvestment.com/resources/
Follow him on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nic-deangelo/
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Mar 4, 2025 • 31min
Ep 245: The Dark Side of Discipline with Craig Ballantyne
🔥 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:✅ The real definition of discipline and why most people get it wrong✅ How to eliminate distractions like social media, alcohol, and negative news✅ Why 99% commitment isn’t enough—you need to go all in✅ How to identify your Level 10 problems and focus on what truly matters✅ Practical success habits to take your life and business to the next level Craig Ballantyne is known as the "World’s Most Disciplined Man" and is a business coach for high performing entrepreneurs who want to go to the next level. His previous books include The Perfect Day Formula, The Perfect Week Formula, and his Wall Street Journal best seller, Unstoppable. He was also the creator of the Turbulence Training fitness system and owns EarlyToRise.com.Contact Craig:Order Craig's book here: www.darksideofdiscipline.com 🎧 Don't forget to subscribe, like, and share this episode with anyone looking to take their income and investments to the next level!
Check out our website: www.nextlevelincome.com. Follow us on social media @thenextlevelincomeshow Get a free copy of our book and learn more about our course at: nextleveincome.com

Feb 25, 2025 • 27min
Ep 244: How to Become a “Consciouspreneur” with Gavin McHale
In this episode, we sit down with Gavin McHale, a world-class mindset and performance coach, to uncover the secrets to entrepreneurial success without burnout. Gavin shares powerful strategies from his new book, Conscious Preneur: What to Do When the Hard Work Stops Working. Learn how to shift your mindset, break free from limiting beliefs, and create lasting success in business and life. Don't miss this game-changing conversation!
Key Points from the Episode
• Mindset is Everything – Your brain is a problem-solving machine. Learning how to rewire your beliefs is essential for success.
• Hard Work Isn’t Enough – At a certain point, working harder stops working. Instead, entrepreneurs need to focus on intentional growth strategies.
• The Power of Clarity – Defining a clear vision and specific goals allows you to take aligned action and avoid burnout.
• Rewrite Your Story – Many of our limitations stem from subconscious beliefs. Reprogramming your mindset can create massive breakthroughs in business and life.
Contact Gavin:
Get Gavin's book here: https://a.co/d/8LfkN3m
Email: gavinmchale@gmail.com
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Feb 18, 2025 • 37min
Ep 243: What is the Ultra-rich's #1 Asset? with Cliff Nonnenmacher
Thinking about starting a business but not sure where to begin? In this episode, I sit down with Cliff Nonnenmacher, a serial entrepreneur and franchise expert, to discuss how franchising can be a powerful wealth-building tool. We talk about scaling businesses, finding the right investment opportunities, and how AI, demographics, and market trends are shaping the future. Whether you’re looking to escape corporate America or diversify your investments, this episode is packed with insights you won’t want to miss!
Key Points from the Episode
• Franchising vs. Starting a Business – The pros and cons of each, and why franchising reduces risk while accelerating growth.
• Market Trends & Opportunities – AI, aging populations, and societal changes are shaping the best investment opportunities.
• Raising Financially Responsible Kids – Strategies to teach financial independence, work ethic, and the value of money.
• Building Wealth Through Business Ownership – How to scale a franchise while working on the business, not in the business.
Contact Shannon:
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/cliffnonnenmacher
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/franocity
X (Twitter): http://x.com/franocity
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Feb 10, 2025 • 32min
Ep 242: How to Gain Back Your Energy & Time with Shannon Logan
In this episode of The Next Level Income Show, I sit down with entrepreneur, wellness expert, and executive coach Shannon Logan. Shannon shares her journey from owning a fitness studio to creating The Whole Woman Reset, a program designed to help high-achieving women reclaim their time, energy, and purpose. We dive into the importance of self-awareness, the power of vision, and how to manage time more effectively to avoid burnout. Don't miss this conversation packed with valuable insights for entrepreneurs, professionals, and parents alike!
Key Points from the Episode
• Time is your most valuable resource – You can always make more money, but you can never get back lost time.
• Self-awareness is key to success – Identifying your core values and aligning your life with them leads to fulfillment.
• Energy management matters – Rest and recovery are crucial for long-term productivity and success.
• Outsourcing is a smart investment – Delegating low-value tasks frees up time for high-impact work and quality family time.
Contact Shannon here: https://shannon.coachshannonlogan.com/main-page-page
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Feb 4, 2025 • 13min
Ep 241: Where are People Moving Now? How to Use “Geographic Arbitrage” to Identify the Best Place to Live
Want to build wealth faster? In this episode of The Next Level Income Show, I dive into geographic arbitrage—the smart way to save money while improving your quality of life.
Discover the top states for inbound migration in 2024, the best places for real estate investment, and how you can cut costs while increasing your savings. Don't miss out on these life-changing strategies!
Key Points from the Episode
• Geographic Arbitrage – Moving from high-cost to low-cost areas can drastically increase savings and improve quality of life.
• Top Growth States – South Carolina, Texas, North Carolina, Florida, and Tennessee are leading in inbound migration due to affordability and job opportunities.
• Smart Investing – Real estate in high-growth areas benefits from rising demand and increasing property values.
• The 50% Rule – Saving 50% of your after-tax income and investing it wisely can help you achieve financial independence in just seven years.
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Jan 28, 2025 • 35min
Ep 240: How The Wealthy Thrive In Downturns with Patrick Grimes
In this episode of the Next Level Income Show, host Chris Larsen sits down with Patrick Grimes, an engineer turned alternative investment expert, to discuss strategies for building wealth and creating a bulletproof portfolio.
Patrick shares his journey from losing everything during the 2008 financial crash to finding success through cash-flowing investments and diversification. He explains how the wealthy allocate their portfolios, the importance of non-correlated assets, and why "real estate is a get-rich-slow game."
Key topics covered:
Lessons learned from the 2008 recession
The power of cash-flowing investments
Building a diversified portfolio with alternatives like legal funding, real estate, and even aviation
The importance of financial education and how to get started
Patrick also introduces his platform, Passive Investing Mastery, where he provides free webinars and a signed copy of his book to help you take control of your financial future.
👉 Get Patrick’s free book: PassiveInvestingMastery.com/book
👉 More resources: NextLevelIncome.com/coaching
🎧 Don't forget to subscribe, like, and share this episode with anyone looking to take their income and investments to the next level!Check out our website: www.nextlevelincome.com.
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Jan 21, 2025 • 41min
Ep 239: Creating 7 Streams of Income with Jeff Ervick
In this episode, Jeff Ervick, a successful real estate operator and sales expert, shares his secrets for creating seven streams of income. From leveraging tech sales to real estate syndications and infinite banking, Jeff offers actionable insights to help you take your finances to the next level. Don’t miss this inspiring and informative conversation! 🚀 #NextLevelIncome
Meet Jeff Ervick, an accomplished real estate operator and investor relations maverick. With over $40M in equity deployed into a $160M portfolio, Jeff’s expertise spans multifamily properties, luxury single-family homes, ground-up developments, and light/flex industrial assets. His impressive LP and GP portfolio includes more than 1,800 doors under management and development.
Beyond his professional achievements, Jeff is a devoted family man who cherishes time with his wife and business partner, Kim, and their three children. When he’s not running his businesses, you’ll find him boating, golfing, restoring vintage cars and motorcycles, or coaching youth travel baseball, inspiring the next generation of athletes.
🎧 Tune in to this episode to hear Jeff’s insights on building wealth, creating multiple income streams, and achieving financial freedom!
#RealEstate #PassiveIncome #JeffErvick #NextLevelIncome #WealthBuilding
Contact Guest:
Visit his website to download his eBook at:
www.valoriscapitalpartners.com/nextlevel
Follow him on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-ervick/
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Get a free copy of our book and learn more about our course at: nextleveincome.comCheck out our website: www.nextlevelincome.com.
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Jan 14, 2025 • 41min
Ep 238: How The Election Will Shape The Real Estate Market Webinar Replay
How will the 2025 election shape the real estate market?
Join Chris Larsen and Matt Fore as they break down the economic landscape, from interest rates and inflation to bonus depreciation and affordability crises.
Discover the future of real estate investing, senior housing opportunities, and why renting might be smarter than buying right now. Packed with insights for every investor, this episode is a must-watch for navigating the upcoming market shifts.
Meet today's guest!
Matt Fore is a respected real estate investor, podcast host, and market strategist based in Nashville, Tennessee. As the host of the popular "Ice Cream with Investors" podcast, Matt dives into economic trends, investment strategies, and real estate opportunities to educate and inspire his audience. A triathlon enthusiast and dedicated family man, Matt brings a unique blend of discipline and relatability to his work. Known for his insights into real estate cycles and affordability crises, Matt leverages his expertise to help investors navigate an ever-changing market and achieve financial growth.
More about your host!
Chris Larsen is a seasoned entrepreneur, investor, and podcast host dedicated to helping others achieve financial freedom through strategic investing. As the founder of Next Level Income, Chris shares his expertise in real estate, passive income, and economic trends to empower listeners to maximize their financial potential. With a background in medical device sales and a passion for demographics-driven investments, Chris combines professional insights with personal experiences to deliver actionable advice. A devoted family man, Chris lives in Asheville, North Carolina, with his wife and two sons, where he balances his love for adventure with his commitment to building lasting wealth.
Coonnectw with our guest:
Website: https://icecreamwithinvestors.com/
I N S T A G R A M ✅ / mattfore1
L I N K E D I N ✅ / forematt
Contact Chris:
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/nextlevelincomeshow
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nextlevelincome/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7ryurcdx6zl1wqpb0la2JA
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thenextlevelincomeshow/
Check out our website: www.nextlevelincome.com.
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Get a free copy of our book and learn more about our course at: nextleveincome.comCheck out our website: www.nextlevelincome.com.
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Jan 7, 2025 • 12min
ep 237 : How To Make 2025 Your Best Year Yet
Are you ready to make 2025 a breakthrough year in your life and finances? In this inspiring episode, Christopher Larsen, founder of Next-Level Income and a seasoned real estate investor with over $1.5 billion in acquisitions.
With more than 20 years of experience across multifamily, self-storage, hotels, and more, Chris shares actionable tips to help you take control of your financial future. Drawing on his background in biomechanical engineering, an MBA in Finance, and a highly successful career in real estate, Chris combines strategy and insight to empower you to make smarter investment decisions.
Beyond real estate, Chris reflects on his journey from All-American cyclist to a financial educator, offering a well-rounded approach to achieving success. Whether you are a seasoned investor or just getting started, this episode will help you unlock your potential and make 2025 your best year yet!
Contact Chris:
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/nextlevelincomeshow
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nextlevelincome/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7ryurcdx6zl1wqpb0la2JA
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thenextlevelincomeshow/
Check out our website: www.nextlevelincome.com.
Follow us on social media @thenextlevelincomeshow
Get a free copy of our book and learn more about our course at: nextleveincome.com
Check out our website: www.nextlevelincome.com.
Follow us on social media @thenextlevelincomeshow
Get a free copy of our book and learn more about our course at:
nextleveincome.com