
Countercurrent: conversations with Professor Roger Kneebone
A podcast for people who like the unexpected. Join the surgeon and academic Professor Roger Kneebone in conversation with unorthodox people whose careers defy traditional boundaries and who swim against the tide.
Technical support by Justin Margovan - with my thanks
My personal website www.rogerkneebone.co.uk
Many of the people in Countercurrent feature in my book Expert: Understanding the Path to Mastery (Penguin Viking, 2020)
https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/313/313248/expert/9780241392058.html
Latest episodes

Jun 16, 2025 • 1h 29min
Wayne Meeten in conversation with Roger Kneebone
Wayne Meeten, a craftsman renowned for his mastery of ancient Japanese metalworking and influenced by Tai Chi, shares his artistic journey. He recounts the serendipitous turns from an early career as a jeweler to becoming an award-winning silversmith. Wayne discusses the emotional depth of his craft and the challenge of creating unique pieces using only traditional techniques. He explores the balance between creativity and confidence, as well as the profound impact of his experiences in Japan and mentorship on his artistic expression.

Jun 4, 2025 • 1h 15min
Janis Wong in conversation with Roger Kneebone
Janis Wong, a Data and Technology Law Policy Advisor with a PhD in computer science, dives deep into the evolving dynamics between law and technology. She discusses the transformative role of the Law Society in supporting solicitors post-2007 Legal Services Act and emphasizes the importance of legal education in a global context. Wong also addresses the challenges of navigating digital evidence in the legal framework and the need for collaboration between legal experts and tech professionals, particularly as AI advances rapidly in society.

May 19, 2025 • 1h 20min
Howard Phipps in conversation with Roger Kneebone
Howard Phipps, an acclaimed artist and printmaker known for his evocative wood engravings of the natural world, engages in a rich conversation about his craft. He delves into the nuances of wood engraving techniques and the significance of light and negative space in capturing landscapes. Phipps shares his personal journey, reflecting on the interplay between art, nature, and memory. He also discusses the importance of knowing when a piece is 'finished' and the obsessive nature of detail-oriented work in an age of instant gratification.

May 3, 2025 • 1h 15min
Adele Wagstaff in conversation with Roger Kneebone
Adele Wagstaff, a talented portrait artist trained at Newcastle University and the Slade School of Fine Art, discusses her artistic journey and the nuances of portrait creation. She speaks about the importance of anatomy in art and how intimacy emerges between artist and subject. Adele shares insights on the challenges of teaching art and fostering creativity among students. Additionally, she reflects on the emotional complexity of creating portraits and navigating the subjective nature of art competitions, illustrating the profound connections she forms through her work.

Apr 14, 2025 • 1h 32min
Helen Leek in conversation with Roger Kneebone
Helen Leek is a pianist who has won many prizes, including the International Young Concert Artists Competition and the Brant International Piano Competition. She performs as a soloist and chamber musician and teaches piano at Royal Holloway, University of London. She also gives masterclasses and adjudicates at competitions within the Royal College of Music. In this conversation explore her approach to music and discuss parallels between our professional worlds. Helen dedicates this podcast to the memory of psychotherapist Bill Hendry, who died suddenly in March 2025.

Apr 2, 2025 • 1h 36min
Eleanor Sharpston in conversation with Roger Kneebone
Dame Eleanor Sharpston KC served as an Advocate General at the Court of Justice of the European Union from 2006 to 2020, before being removed following Brexit. Eleanor has held academic roles at the University of Cambridge, has numerous honorary doctorates and is a Bencher at the Middle Temple. In this conversation we discuss her remarkable career and explore parallels between our different paths.

Mar 17, 2025 • 1h 12min
Steven Appleby in conversation with Roger Kneebone
Steven Appleby is an artist, illustrator and cartoonist who has created cartoon strips for The Guardian, The New Musical Express and many other publications. She has written and drawn many books (including the graphic novel Dragman), designed record covers, and has collaborated on a wide range of projects. She’s a transgender person who describes herself as being relaxed about pronouns. We recorded this podcast at Steven’s exhibition Nothing is Real in London. https://www.stevenappleby.com

Mar 3, 2025 • 1h 16min
Graham Scott in conversation with Roger Kneebone
Graham Scott is one of only twenty Premier League football referees. In this podcast we explore the challenges, pressures and satisfactions of being a top level referee and discuss the nature of the role. We also explore Graham's parallel career in journalism, from being a report to becoming Editor of the Nursing Standard.

Feb 17, 2025 • 1h 15min
Stephen Akinsanya in conversation with Roger Kneebone
Stephen Akinsanya is a barrister who focuses on defence work in many areas of criminal law. He has a particular interest in defending young people accused of involvement in knife-related crime. He is also committed to advocacy training and to supporting less experienced colleagues in his profession as they develop their careers. In this conversation we discuss our experiences in very different areas of professional practice. https://15nbs.com/portfolio/stephen-akinsanya/

Feb 3, 2025 • 1h 7min
Allan Hamilton in conversation with Roger Kneebone
Professor Allan Hamilton is a neurosurgeon, radiation oncologist, author, academic, horse whisperer, television scriptwriter and pioneer in artificial intelligence (AI). He holds four professorships at the University of Arizona College of Medicine. In this Countercurrent Revisited conversation we explore the excitements and dangers of AI in the clinical world and beyond. https://neurosurgery.arizona.edu/profile/allan-j-hamilton-md-facs