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Anthony Hobday, Katie Langerman
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Aug 31, 2025 • 1h 13min

65: Listener Q&A

Anthony and Katie answer a few listener questions.Questions asked: https://x.com/hobdaydesign/status/1961014039368110395Hosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
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Aug 17, 2025 • 48min

64: Big vs Small Software

Anthony and Katie attempt to define big vs. small software, and then compare the two.Hosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
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Aug 3, 2025 • 1h 11min

63: Being Intentional About Quality with Lance Willett

In this engaging conversation, Lance Willett, the Chief Quality Officer at Automattic, shares his journey from web designer to quality leader. He dives into the complexities of measuring quality in distributed teams and the importance of fostering a positive feedback culture. Willett emphasizes the balance between craft and care in product development, while discussing innovative practices that enhance collaboration between QA and engineering teams. He also highlights strategies for cultivating a culture of quality that empowers team members and values trust.
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Jul 20, 2025 • 53min

62: MacOS Through the Ages

Anthony and Katie discuss the elements of previous MacOS versions that stand out most.Inspired by: https://aresluna.org/frame-of-preferenceHosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
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Jul 6, 2025 • 48min

61: Liquid Glass

Dive into the intriguing world of Liquid Glass, where technology meets design innovation. The hosts discuss Apple’s recent software updates and the challenges they create for users. They explore the delicate balance between aesthetics and usability, as well as the impact of rapid tech advancements on user experiences. There's a critical look at Apple's AI strategy amidst a competitive landscape and how urgency in adopting new tech affects decision-making. The conversation brings clarity to the ever-evolving standards of visual design and the design rivalries that shape user expectations.
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Jun 22, 2025 • 1h 2min

60: Designing Tools to Support Creativity with Matt Beaudouin-Lafon

Anthony and Katie are joined by HCI PhD candidate Matt Beaudouin-Lafon at UCSD, and discuss how HCI research intersects with industry product design. Links mentioned:Matt's work on Color FieldInk & SwitchTextoshopCreativity Support Tools paper from Ben ShneidermanHosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
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Jun 2, 2025 • 37min

59: Material 3 Expressive

Anthony and Katie chat about Material 3 Expressive.Hosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
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May 18, 2025 • 50min

58: Thoughts on Config 2025

Anthony and Katie share humorous anecdotes about regional accents and the tech world. They discuss the evolving meaning of 'Config' and the challenges of freelance design. The impact of AI on design roles raises concerns about diminishing focus on visual content at conferences. Their reflections on the recent conference emphasize the balance between preparation and engagement. Insights into Figma's new features highlight their effects on usability, while the duo explores the accessibility of code generated by design tools. They also touch on the value of conferences for emerging speakers.
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May 4, 2025 • 44min

57: The Gap Between Design and Execution with Alex Krasikov

In this engaging discussion, design engineer Alex Krasikov shares insights on bridging the gap between design intent and execution. He emphasizes the importance of early collaboration between designers and developers to enhance product quality. Alex delves into the nuances of design systems for websites versus applications, exploring how structured approaches can simplify the process. He also highlights the balance between aesthetic design elements and execution efficiency, addressing the evolving role of AI in design and the pressures on designers to embrace coding skills.
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Apr 20, 2025 • 52min

56: Navigation

Anthony and Katie discuss navigation patterns.Hosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

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