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Anthony Hobday, Katie Langerman
A podcast about the principles and practices of interface design.
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Jul 20, 2025 • 53min
62: MacOS Through the Ages
Anthony and Katie discuss the elements of previous MacOS versions that stand out most.Inspired by: https://aresluna.org/frame-of-preferenceHosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesignKatie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

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Jul 6, 2025 • 48min
61: Liquid Glass
Dive into the intriguing world of Liquid Glass, where technology meets design innovation. The hosts discuss Apple’s recent software updates and the challenges they create for users. They explore the delicate balance between aesthetics and usability, as well as the impact of rapid tech advancements on user experiences. There's a critical look at Apple's AI strategy amidst a competitive landscape and how urgency in adopting new tech affects decision-making. The conversation brings clarity to the ever-evolving standards of visual design and the design rivalries that shape user expectations.

Jun 22, 2025 • 1h 2min
60: Designing Tools to Support Creativity with Matt Beaudouin-Lafon
Anthony and Katie are joined by HCI PhD candidate Matt Beaudouin-Lafon at UCSD, and discuss how HCI research intersects with industry product design. Links mentioned:Matt's work on Color FieldInk & SwitchTextoshopCreativity Support Tools paper from Ben ShneidermanHosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesignKatie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

Jun 2, 2025 • 37min
59: Material 3 Expressive
Anthony and Katie chat about Material 3 Expressive.Hosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesignKatie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

May 18, 2025 • 50min
58: Thoughts on Config 2025
Anthony and Katie share humorous anecdotes about regional accents and the tech world. They discuss the evolving meaning of 'Config' and the challenges of freelance design. The impact of AI on design roles raises concerns about diminishing focus on visual content at conferences. Their reflections on the recent conference emphasize the balance between preparation and engagement. Insights into Figma's new features highlight their effects on usability, while the duo explores the accessibility of code generated by design tools. They also touch on the value of conferences for emerging speakers.

May 4, 2025 • 44min
57: The Gap Between Design and Execution with Alex Krasikov
In this engaging discussion, design engineer Alex Krasikov shares insights on bridging the gap between design intent and execution. He emphasizes the importance of early collaboration between designers and developers to enhance product quality. Alex delves into the nuances of design systems for websites versus applications, exploring how structured approaches can simplify the process. He also highlights the balance between aesthetic design elements and execution efficiency, addressing the evolving role of AI in design and the pressures on designers to embrace coding skills.

Apr 20, 2025 • 52min
56: Navigation
Anthony and Katie discuss navigation patterns.Hosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesignKatie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

Apr 6, 2025 • 41min
55: Design is Decision Making
The hosts delve into the art of decision-making in design, emphasizing how choices shape creativity. They discuss the balance of options within design systems, tackling decision fatigue and the need for clear guidelines. The evolution of interface design is explored, revealing how standardization impacts individual creativity. Finally, they illuminate the powerful connection between design and storytelling, showcasing its effects on decision-making and product success, all while sharing a light-hearted take on their podcasting journey.

Mar 16, 2025 • 45min
54: Design vs. Development
Dive into the compelling world of design and development as hosts explore their distinct challenges and collaborative dynamics. Discover how coding can enhance design skills while encountering the realities of environment setup and manual intervention in troubleshooting. The conversation sheds light on the differing workflows and the important need for empathy in fostering collaboration. With a humorous take, they discuss the risks of using design tools and their shared frustrations in the creative process.

Mar 2, 2025 • 1h 5min
53: Deep Dive on the Conceptual Model Layer with Jamie Mill
Jamie Mill, a Paris-based product designer from the UK, shares insights on the intricacies of product design. He discusses the significance of conceptual models that underpin user interactions and how these influence design decisions. Jamie delves into the complexities of e-commerce marketing analytics, explaining the nuances of measuring success through concepts like Return on Ad Spend. He also explores the evolving nature of Agile methodologies and the impact of science fiction on AI development, highlighting its ethical implications in real-world applications.