
Destination Linux
A podcast made by people who love running Linux.
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Apr 22, 2025 • 1h 13min
416: Interview with Carl Richell, Founder of System76 (COSMIC Desktop, Pop!_OS, & more)
video: https://youtu.be/uK-4VcuBjfM
We sat down with Carl Richell, CEO of System76, for an in-depth conversation about the company's mission, the future of Pop!_OS, and the development of their new Rust-based COSMIC desktop environment. From open-source hardware to the philosophy behind building a Linux-focused ecosystem—this is one interview you won’t want to miss.
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Ryan (DasGeek) = dasgeek.net
Jill Bryant = jilllinuxgirl.com
Michael Tunnell = michaeltunnell.com
Chapters:
00:00:00 Intro
00:02:03 Community Feedback
00:06:01 Sandfly Security
00:08:35 Interview with Carl Richell of System76
01:08:54 Support the show
01:11:32 Outro
Links:
https://system76.com

Apr 14, 2025 • 1h 11min
415: Gitting Deepin to Immutability
video: https://youtu.be/G5_NNCKF4yc
In this episode, we take a look at the alpha release of Deepin 25. We also reflect on 20 years of Git and its impact on software development. Plus, we discuss the role of immutability in modern Linux systems. So let's get on the road towards Destination Linux.
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Ryan (DasGeek) = dasgeek.net
Jill Bryant = jilllinuxgirl.com
Michael Tunnell = michaeltunnell.com
Chapters:
00:00:00 Intro
00:02:24 Community Feedback
00:08:38 Sandfly Security
00:12:05 Deepin 25 Alpha: Eye Candy Meets AI
00:22:43 Deepin Dilemma: Trust, Transparency, and Telemetry
00:28:56 Git Turns 20: A Look Back at Its Impact
00:36:55 Jill’s Island Under Fire — via Git Rocket!
00:37:57 The Rise of Immutable Distros
00:52:14 Teasing the Future: COSMIC desktop
00:53:52 Ryan Says: No Skipping — Go Back to Episode 1
00:55:09 Duck.ai: When AI Meets Privacy
00:58:28 Can AI Decode the DL Stool Joke?
01:03:01 Wait, Are We Talking Immutable Distros Again?
01:04:28 Support the Show
01:10:06 Outro
Links:
Community Feedback
https://destinationlinux.net/comments
https://destinationlinux.net/forum
Sandfly Security
https://destinationlinux.net/sandfly
https://destinationlinux.net/409
Deepin 25 Alpha: Eye Candy Meets AI
https://www.deepin.org.cn/v25/en/
Git Turns 20: A Look Back at Its Impact
https://www.tomshardware.com/software/git-turns-20-as-we-celebrate-decades-of-open-source-software-distribution
https://github.blog/open-source/git/git-turns-20-a-qa-with-linus-torvalds/
The Rise of Immutable Distros
https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/silverblue/
https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/kinoite/
https://universal-blue.org/
https://bazzite.gg/
Teasing the Future: COSMIC desktop
https://system76.com/cosmic/
Duck.ai: When AI Meets Privacy
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=DuckDuckGo+AI+Chat&ia=chat&duckai=1
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https://tuxdigital.com/membership
https://store.tuxdigital.com/

Apr 8, 2025 • 1h 9min
414: Zorin through an AI Labyrinth on a Thunderbird
video: https://youtu.be/r2rD3MB8Jls
On this episode, we review community feedback, explore Zorin OS 17.3 release and their shift to Brave as its default browser. We talk about Thunderbird's upcoming Thundermail service for privacy-focused email. Plus, we cover Cloudflare's "AI Labyrinth" to combat unauthorized data scraping.
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Ryan (DasGeek) = dasgeek.net
Jill Bryant = jilllinuxgirl.com
Michael Tunnell = michaeltunnell.com
Chapters:
00:00:00 Intro
00:01:22 Community Feedback
00:08:50 Sandfly Security
00:10:58 Zorin OS 17.3: What’s New and Why It Matters
00:14:21 Zorin Goes Brave: Default Browser Shift Explained
00:15:39 Flip the Switch: VPN Now Built Into Vivaldi
00:17:54 The Vivaldi Conundrum: Locked Without a Reason?
00:19:27 Firefox’s Secret Sauce: Containers and Bookmark Brilliance
00:21:58 Brave Gets a Makeover in Zorin OS
00:24:04 Brave Test Drive: Ryan Installs It Everywhere
00:26:21 Final Thoughts on Zorin, Brave, and Vivaldi
00:28:06 Thunderbird Evolves: Pro Features and Thundermail Unveiled
00:31:00 Separating Privacy from Security
00:32:03 Thunderbird’s Identity: Separate from Mozilla
00:36:09 More Inboxes, Less Risk: Managing Sensitive Info
00:38:06 Wishing for Thunderbird to Take on Google Docs
00:38:35 Thunderbird’s Web Services: Pro Tools Built for the Community
00:41:26 When Thunderbird Out-Mozillas Mozilla
00:44:39 Balancing Cost and Access in Thunderbird’s Service Model
00:46:10 Cloudflare Builds an AI Maze for Misbehaving Bots
00:49:00 Ethical Dilemma: AI and Unauthorized Web Scraping
00:53:24 Responsible AI: Real Facts, No Misinformation
00:55:48 Jill’s Village Under Siege: The Plot Thickens
00:56:33 Software Spotlight: MPV 0.40 Brings the Brightness
01:00:07 Support the Show
01:01:39 Cheetos Wisdom and Boss-Level Brilliance
01:05:53 Support the Show Take 2
01:07:22 Outro
Links:
Community Feedback
https://destinationlinux.net/comments
https://destinationlinux.net/forum
Sandfly Security
https://destinationlinux.net/sandfly
Home Edition Discount = destination50
Zorin OS 17.3: What’s New and Why It Matters
https://blog.zorin.com/2025/03/26/zorin-os-17.3-is-here/
VPN Now Built Into Vivaldi
https://vivaldi.com/protonvpn/
Firefox’s Secret Sauce: Containers and Bookmark Brilliance
Michael's Container Tabs video = https://youtu.be/FfN5L5zAJUo
Michael's Bookmarks video = https://youtu.be/jRIyAu79OrM
Thunderbird Evolves: Pro Features and Thundermail Unveiled
https://blog.thunderbird.net/2025/04/thundermail-and-thunderbird-pro-services/
Cloudflare Builds an AI Maze for Misbehaving Bots
https://blog.cloudflare.com/ai-labyrinth/
Software Spotlight: MPV 0.40 Brings the Brightness
https://mpv.io/
https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/releases
Support the Show
https://tuxdigital.com/membership
https://store.tuxdigital.com/

Apr 2, 2025 • 1h 20min
413: What is Open Source's True Value? Plus NVIDIA's Open Robots
video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF-Zux_pQ-Y
How valuable is open-source software, really? A new Harvard study puts a staggering number on its economic impact—but there’s a catch. We break down what this means for the future of open source and why companies might not be pulling their weight. Plus, NVIDIA just made a major announcement in robotics that could change everything. Their latest tech is open-source, but is that enough to shape the future of humanoid robots? Join us for a deep dive into the power of open source and the future of AI-driven robotics!
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Hosted by:
Ryan (DasGeek) = dasgeek.net
Jill Bryant = jilllinuxgirl.com
Michael Tunnell = michaeltunnell.com
Chapters:
00:00:00 Intro
00:02:37 Community Feedback
00:10:11 Sandfly Security, agentless Linux security [ad]
00:12:55 The Value of Open Source . . . like you know with money
00:30:13 NVIDIA Announces Isaac GR00T N1
00:54:04 The Awesome & Scary stuff about Electric Cars
01:06:05 Software Spotlight
01:11:21 Tip of the Week: bmon
Links:
Community Feedback
https://destinationlinux.net/comments
https://destinationlinux.net/forum
Sandfly Security, agentless Linux security [ad]
https://destinationlinux.net/sandfly
The Value of Open Source . . . like you know with money
https://www.heise.de/en/news/Harvard-study-Open-source-has-an-economic-value-of-8-8-trillion-dollars-10322643.html
https://www.hbs.edu/ris/Publication%20Files/24-038_51f8444f-502c-4139-8bf2-56eb4b65c58a.pdf
NVIDIA Announces Isaac GR00T N1
https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-isaac-gr00t-n1-open-humanoid-robot-foundation-model-simulation-frameworks
Software Spotlight
https://github.com/KowabungaOfficial/vkPost
Tip of the Week: bmon
https://github.com/tgraf/bmon
Support the show
https://tuxdigital.com/membership
https://store.tuxdigital.com/

Mar 24, 2025 • 1h 18min
412: How Fake Cell Towers are Tracking You, Open Source Rayhunter Tracks Them
video: https://youtu.be/uBdiXBkw-PM
In this episode of Destination Linux, we explore the interplay of technology, community, and privacy. Hosts Ryan, Michael, and Jill share insights from the SCaLE 22x conference, highlighting the importance of community in open-source and an inspiring young talent. We discuss digital rights through the EFF's new tool, Rayhunter, aimed at combating cellular spying, and Jill introduces the wholesome game Wake Cup, emphasizing the joy of non-violent gameplay. The episode wraps up with recommendations for software tools like Turn On and Bat, showcasing our passion for enhancing user experience in the Linux community.
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Hosted by:
Ryan (DasGeek) = dasgeek.net
Jill Bryant = jilllinuxgirl.com
Michael Tunnell = michaeltunnell.com
Chapters:
00:00:00 Intro
00:02:17 Inside SCaLE 22x: Jill’s Best Moments
00:06:45 A Special SCaLE Surprise
00:12:31 Linux Knows No Age Limits
00:13:33 Reuniting with Old Friends at SCaLE
00:16:51 COSMIC Collaboration: Accessibility Testing with System76
00:19:55 Catching Up with the Legendary Jon 'Maddog' Hall
00:21:19 Sandfly Security
00:23:26 Spying from the Sky: Cell Tower Impostors Revealed
00:37:39 Seven-Year Journey: GIMP 3.0 Reaches New Heights
00:49:42 Is AI Taking Over Creative Tools?
00:53:19 Imagining GIMP with AI Integration
00:57:31 GIMP 3.0: Not Quite Pro-Ready?
00:59:51 Wake Cup: Defend the Grind, One Cup at a Time
01:03:29 Good Cup of Coffe and a Good Barista
01:06:04 Back to Wake Cup: Grinding for Likes
01:06:25 Sellout Mode
01:07:38 Software Spotlight: Powering Up with Turn On
01:09:44 From Cat to Bat: Terminal Tools with Wings
01:12:37 Support the Show
01:17:05 Outro
Links:
SCaLE 22x
https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/22x
System76 COSMIC
https://system76.com/
Jon 'Maddog' Hall
https://youtu.be/90N6oWIkDZI
https://youtu.be/9WBd8ISmtuI
Sandfly Security
http://destinationlinux.net/sandfly
EFF's Rayhunter
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/03/meet-rayhunter-new-open-source-tool-eff-detect-cellular-spying
GIMP 3.0
https://www.gimp.org/news/2025/03/16/gimp-3-0-released/
Wake Cup
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2881430/Wake_Cup/
Software Spotlight: Turn On
https://flathub.org/apps/de.swsnr.turnon
Tip of the Week: Bat
https://github.com/sharkdp/bat
Support the Show
https://tuxdigital.com/membership
https://store.tuxdigital.com/

Mar 18, 2025 • 1h 17min
411: Mozilla messing up in masse & Google losing Chrome – The Web Is Changing!
video: https://youtu.be/gOsPlRv2i1o
Mozilla just can’t seem to stay out of controversy! The latest Firefox Terms of Use update sparked major backlash, with users fearing data harvesting, forcing Mozilla to backtrack—again. Meanwhile, Firefox 136 brings great updates for Linux users, but that’s overshadowed by the mess they are making. And on the Google side, the DOJ is pushing for Chrome to be sold to break Google’s search monopoly. Could this actually happen? What would it mean for the future of web browsing? Let’s break it all down!
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Support the show by becoming a patron at tuxdigital.com/membership or get some swag at tuxdigital.com/store
Hosted by:
Ryan (DasGeek) = dasgeek.net
Jill Bryant = jilllinuxgirl.com
Michael Tunnell = michaeltunnell.com
Chapters:
00:00:00 Intro
00:01:58 Community Feedback
00:06:37 Sandfly Security
00:09:02 Mozilla is making a mess of things and Google DeGoogle’s Chrome
01:00:51 Gaming Spotlight: HEXAROMA - A Village Builder with a Twist
01:07:12 Software Spotlight: Investigating with Autopsy
01:10:34 Terminal Tricks: Reverse Search Like a Pro
01:11:12 Village War: Strategy and Survival
01:13:00 Upcoming Linux Events
01:13:29 Support the Show
01:15:05 Outro
Links:
Community Feedback
https://destinationlinux.net/comments
https://destinationlinux.net/forum
Sandfly Security
https://destinationlinux.net/sandfly
Mozilla is making a mess of things and Google DeGoogle’s Chrome
https://arstechnica.com/google/2025/03/doj-google-must-sell-chrome-android-could-be-next/
https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/internet-policy/proposed-remedies-browsers/
https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/update-on-terms-of-use/
Gaming Spotlight: HEXAROMA - A Village Builder with a Twist
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3056580/HEXAROMA_Village_Builder/
Software Spotlight: Investigating with Autopsy
https://www.autopsy.com/
Support the Show
https://tuxdigital.com/membership
https://store.tuxdigital.com/

Mar 10, 2025 • 60min
410: Jill and the LinuxChixLA Interview Jon "maddog" Hall at SCaLE
video: https://youtu.be/9WBd8ISmtuI
This week we have a special episode in honor of SCaLE. We have a second interview with a legend that’s never been played on this show with Jon ‘Mad Dog’ Hall. Welcome to Destination Linux, where we discuss the latest news, hot topics, gaming, mobile, and all things Open Source & Linux. We will also have our tips, picks, and community feedback. Now let’s get this show on the road toward Destination Linux!
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Support the show by becoming a patron at tuxdigital.com/membership or get some swag at tuxdigital.com/store
Hosted by:
Ryan (DasGeek) = dasgeek.net
Jill Bryant = jilllinuxgirl.com
Michael Tunnell = michaeltunnell.com
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
02:47 Community Feedback
10:08 Sandfly Security
12:51 Legendary Insights: Jon 'Maddog' Hall Returns
30:37 Gaming: Marvel Rivals
42:41 Software Spotlight: Get Groovy with Drum Machine
46:52 Tech Tip of the Week: Backflip AI for 3D Printing
53:03 SCaLE 22x
55:19 Support the Show
58:11 Outro
Links:
Jon "maddog" Hall:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Hall_(programmer)
https://www.lpi.org/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Professional_Institute
https://twitter.com/maddoghall
https://www.linkedin.com/in/maddog/
Maddog Interview on Destination Linux 366:
https://destinationlinux.net/366/
Gaming: Marvel Rivals
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2767030/Marvel_Rivals/
https://www.protondb.com/app/2767030/
Software Spotlight: Get Groovy with Drum Machine
https://flathub.org/apps/io.github.revisto.drum-machine
Tech Tip of the Week: Backflip AI for 3D Printing
https://backflip.ai/
SCaLE 22x
https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/

Mar 3, 2025 • 1h 34min
409: Hacking the Hackers: Interview with Cybersecurity Expert about Linux Tower Defense
video: https://youtu.be/O4KGfG2UJmo
Join us for an insightful conversation with Craig Rowland as we dive into Linux security, cybersecurity, and the evolution of hacking from BBS days to modern threats. We explore how Sandfly Security's agentless approach protects Linux systems, the role of AI in cybersecurity, and whether you really need antivirus on Linux. Plus, we discuss startup scaling, Defcon's rise, and the cleverest Linux attack we've seen. Don't miss it!
Forum Discussion Thread
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Ryan (DasGeek) = dasgeek.net
Jill Bryant = jilllinuxgirl.com
Michael Tunnell = michaeltunnell.com
Chapters:
00:00:00 Intro
00:01:56 TWIL 300 Celebration
00:05:11 Community Feedback
00:21:16 Agentless Linux Security: A Chat with Craig Rowland
00:21:46 Cybersecurity in the Military: Craig’s Wildest Lessons
00:26:51 Scaling Startups & Catching the Eye of Tech Giants
00:29:27 Old-School Hacking: BBS and Salvaged Tech
00:32:52 From Small Rooms to Global Stages: The Rise of Defcon
00:35:21 Protecting Linux: The Sandfly Security Story
00:40:01 The Magic Behind Sandfly’s Agentless Security
00:43:21 Assuming Linux Is Secure? Think Again!
00:47:16 Should You Run Antivirus on Linux?
00:54:15 Breaking Into Cybersecurity: Advice for Linux Enthusiasts
00:58:41 Distro Talk: What’s on Craig’s Machine?
00:59:58 Sandfly for the Desktop: Home Edition Arrives!
01:05:15 How AI is Changing the Cybersecurity Game
01:13:11 Linux is Everywhere—How Does Sandfly Keep Up?
01:15:59 The Most Clever Linux Attack We've Seen
01:20:51 Catching Hackers in the Act: A Sandfly Success Story
01:23:03 Drift Detection: Now with More Horsepower!
01:23:42 Think Fast! It’s Lightning Round Time
01:28:38 SCALE 22x is coming
01:30:03 Red Hat Summit 2025
01:30:47 Support the Show
01:32:36 Outro
Links:
TWIL 300 Celebration
https://thisweekinlinux.com/300
Community Feedback
https://destinationlinux.net/comments
https://destinationlinux.net/forum
Craig Rowland of Sandfly Security
https://destinationlinux.net/sandfly
Discount Code: destination50
Defcon
https://defcon.org/
SCALE 22x is coming
https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/22x
Red Hat Summit 2025
https://www.redhat.com/en/summit
Support the Show
https://tuxdigital.com/membership
https://store.tuxdigital.com/

Feb 25, 2025 • 1h 1min
408: Open Source in Hollywood! Jill shares her story about animating for movies
video: https://youtu.be/wWMFZx4uXTg
Forum Discussion Thread
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Support the show by becoming a patron at tuxdigital.com/membership or get some swag at tuxdigital.com/store
Hosted by:
Ryan (DasGeek) = dasgeek.net
Jill Bryant = jilllinuxgirl.com
Michael Tunnell = michaeltunnell.com
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
01:15 Michael Teases a Special TWIL 300 Celebration
03:48 Community Feedback
07:31 Sandfly Security
10:41 The Wild Robot: Animation Meets Open Source
18:05 Jill’s Hollywood Animation Insights
20:02 This Is the Way… to a Star Wars Sidebar
23:35 Jill’s Animation Legacy: Emmy Wins and Open Source Tools
40:22 Deepseek Promotes More OpenSource
42:02 Let’s Just Ban Announcements on April 1st
44:45 Alibaba’s Qwen2.5: 100+ Open Models and Counting
53:05 Gaming: Driving Is Hard
59:48 Support the Show
Links:
Special TWIL 300 Celebration
https://thisweekinlinux.com/live
Community Feedback
https://destinationlinux.net/comments
https://destinationlinux.net/forum
Sandfly Security
https://destinationlinux.net/sandfly
The Wild Robot: Animation Meets Open Source
https://www.cartoonbrew.com/tech/6-open-source-tools-that-the-wild-robot-used-in-its-production-245765.html
Deepseek Promotes More OpenSource
https://www.scmp.com/tech/tech-trends/article/3298739/deepseek-spurs-baidu-other-ai-competitors-adopt-open-source-strategy
https://www.scmp.com/tech/big-tech/article/3298233/alibabas-qwen-powers-top-10-open-source-models-china-ai-know-how-goes-beyond-deepseek
Gaming: Driving Is Hard
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3175860/Driving_Is_Hard/
Support the Show
https://tuxdigital.com/membership
https://store.tuxdigital.com/
Special Guest: Wendy Hill.

Feb 17, 2025 • 1h 20min
407: Most Private & Secure Browsers, plus Freedesktop.org in a Funding Crisis
video: https://youtu.be/KA2uY2aES_8
This week we are going to discuss what browser and search engine should Linux users trust? Welcome to Destination Linux, where we discuss the latest news, hot topics, gaming, mobile, and all things Open Source & Linux. We will also be discussing how a lot of important open source projects just got defunded. So let’s get this show on the road toward Destination Linux!
Forum Discussion Thread
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Support the show by becoming a patron at tuxdigital.com/membership or get some swag at tuxdigital.com/store
Hosted by:
Ryan (DasGeek) = dasgeek.net
Jill Bryant = jilllinuxgirl.com
Michael Tunnell = michaeltunnell.com
Chapters:
00:00:00 Intro
00:02:11 Community Feedback
00:09:00 Sandfly Security
00:11:36 Battle of the Browsers: Privacy Edition
00:14:03 Firefox: Still Fighting for the Open Web
00:14:40 Google Search vs. DuckDuckGo: Privacy Faceoff
00:17:21 Back to Firefox: Is It Still King?
00:18:39 Brave: Privacy or Hype?
00:19:48 HTTPS Everywhere: Still Relevant?
00:24:03 Brave Again: Worth the Hype?
00:29:14 Want No Privacy? Use Chrome!
00:30:11 LibreWolf: The Underdog of Privacy Browsers
00:39:47 Equinix Cuts Funding: Open Source Feels the Impact
01:06:25 Going Into Overtime
01:07:28 Software Spotlight: IRSSI – Old School IRC Done Right
01:09:53 Tip of the Week: OWASP for Security Nerds
01:13:08 Support the Show
Links:
Community Feedback
https://destinationlinux.net/comments
https://destinationlinux.net/forum
Sandfly Security
https://destinationlinux.net/sandfly
Firefox
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/
Google Search vs. DuckDuckGo: Privacy Faceoff
https://google.com
https://duckduckgo.com
Brave: Privacy or Hype?
https://brave.com/
HTTPS Everywhere
https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere
Want No Privacy? Use Chrome!
https://www.google.com/chrome/
LibreWolf: The Underdog of Privacy Browsers
https://librewolf.net/
Tor Browser
https://www.torproject.org/download/
Waterfox
https://www.waterfox.net/
FireDragon
https://firedragon.garudalinux.org/
Floorp
https://floorp.app/
Zen Browser
https://zen-browser.app/
Ungoogled Chromium
https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium
Equinix Cuts Funding: Open Source Feels the Impact
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/freedesktop/freedesktop/-/issues/655
https://alpinelinux.org/posts/Seeking-Support-After-Equinix-Metal-Sunsets.html
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Alpine-Linux-Infra-Crisis
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/02/popular-linux-orgs-freedesktop-and-alpine-linux-are-scrambling-for-new-web-hosting/
Software Spotlight: IRSSI – Old School IRC Done Right
https://irssi.org/
Tip of the Week: OWASP for Security Nerds
https://owasp.org/
Support the show
https://tuxdigital.com/membership
https://store.tuxdigital.com/
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