

The Divine Council Worldview Podcast
Dr. Ronn Johnson
Welcome to the Divine Council Worldview Podcast, where hosts Ronn Johnson and Mike Chu honor the legacy of their late friend and colleague Dr. Michael S. Heiser (author of the best-selling book The Unseen Realm). Our interest is the Bible, studying it through the lens of its original authors and audience. We will specifically take notice of created divine beings and the role they play in the physical cosmos through the ultimate authority of Yahweh, the God of Israel. Join the fun conversation!
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Jan 18, 2026 • 56min
EP093: John 11:1-44: The Raising of Lazarus
In this episode, Ronn and Mike enjoy the story of Lazarus' resuscitation in John 11:1-44. For several reasons found within this narrative, Ronn recommended that original readers would have been tempted to regard Lazarus as the "disciple that Jesus loved" referred to in later stories of John. A key element in this story, of course, was Martha's belief that Lazarus would "rise again in the resurrection" (11:24), offering a chance to talk about death and resurrection beliefs within 2nd Temple Judaism. Did the crowd expect Jesus to literally "be the resurrection and the life"? Apparentliy not—until Lazarus heard his name attached to the invitation to come out of the tomb! The conversation closes with personal application of this story to our understanding and hopes for eternal life.

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Jan 11, 2026 • 1h 24min
EP092: Beyond Knowledge: When Theology Meets Real Life
In a compelling discussion, Sandra Alex, a Brazilian translator dedicated to making Michael Heiser's works accessible, shares her journey through the complexities of spiritual abuse and prison ministry. She recounts her transformation after her church's implosion and the healing power of reconnecting with scripture. Sandra also dives into the challenges of neo-Pentecostalism in Brazil and the importance of community in theological education. Her work to localize theological resources highlights how personal connections can redefine ministry.

Jan 4, 2026 • 1h 32min
EP091: John 10: Jesus' Use of Psalm 82
In this episode, Ronn and Mike work their way through John 10, starting with Jesus' self-identification as Israel's "good shepherd." They recommend that Jesus is thuf fulfilling the meaning of Ezekiel 34, which recalls the extended metaphor of Yahweh claiming to be Israel's ultimate shepherd. This leads to a necessary discussion of the issue of "divine agency," and how God could be seen working through figures who receive their authority through God's appointment. Closing discussion attempts explanations of Jesus' curious statement that he and his Father are "one" (v. 30) and Jesus' use of Psalm 82 to extinguish charges of blasphemy.

Dec 28, 2025 • 1h 11min
EP090: John 9: The Healing of the Man Born Blind
In this episode, Ronn and Mike look at John 9, reading through the extended story of the man born blind who is healed by Jesus. They discuss the significance of some of the interesting details of the story, including why Jesus patched the man's eyes with spittle, and why he had the man go a half-mile away to wash in the Pool of Siloam. Ronn recommended that the use of "sinner" in the story hearkens back to the OT understanding that this was a category akin to someone outside the covenant of Israel, as opposed to someone who simply was guilty of sin. Closing discussion noted how the man was led to confess to Jesus that he believed in the "Son of Man," a title reminiscent of Daniel 7's role of the messiah.

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Dec 21, 2025 • 1h 19min
EP089: Q&A Session #11
Ronn and Mike dive into fascinating listener questions, exploring the cultural context of the Bible and how to study its original authors. They discuss Jesus' mercy towards the adulterous woman and challenge the idea of a harsh Old Testament, emphasizing God's consistent mercy. The hosts tackle complex topics like human free will and examine whether Mormons worship the same God. They also delve into the mysteries of Mary Magdalene's possession and her deep devotion to Jesus, offering insights that connect theology with real-life implications.

Dec 14, 2025 • 1h 19min
EP088: Discipleship Beyond the Walls and Behind Bars
Rich and Mel talk with Curt Ferrell, discussing how the gospel's true power thrives in relationships—not institutions. From Indiana prisons to everyday life, discover how God builds His family through faith, community, and the transformative presence of His kingdom today. Curt's book: The Way to Discipleship: Thinking Well About the Kingdom of God: https://a.co/d/dHo6y66

Dec 7, 2025 • 1h 20min
EP087: Q&A Session #10
In this episode, Ronn and Mike answer five questions sent in by listeners: 1) Were the nations that were apportioned to created elohim by Yahweh expected to obey these gods? Did Yahweh hold them accountable if they did? 2) What did Jesus mean in Mark 10:18 when he said "No one is good except God alone"? 3) Why does Ronn disparage Reformed theology so often? 4) Are giants still around? Where may they be today? 5) Could "sin" (Greek, hamartia) be better understood as misalignment of one's loyalty away from God and toward Satan?

Nov 30, 2025 • 1h 8min
EP086: Q&A Session #9
Ronn and Mike dive into listener-submitted questions, tackling everything from God's judgment of those ignorant of Jesus to the meaning behind large numbers in biblical texts. They explore the concepts of loyalty versus obedience within faith, and the intriguing possibility that Lazarus could be the beloved disciple. Additionally, they discuss the historical allure of worshiping other gods in the Old Testament, highlighting human motivations and the pursuit of beauty. The conversation blends theological insights with personal reflections and pastoral implications.

Nov 23, 2025 • 59min
EP085: Q&A Session #8
In this episode, Ronn and Mike answer five questions sent in by listeners: 1) How is kosmos ("world") used in the NT? 2) How does Jesus use Psalm 82 in John 10:34-36? 3) What does the Bible teach on the state of soul after death? 4) Can Hindu polytheism be interpreted within the framework of DCW monotheism? 5) Why did Jesus use "eating flesh" language which was abhorrent to his Jewis audience?

Nov 16, 2025 • 1h 17min
EP084: Awakening a Generation: Testimony, Theology, and the Chinese Church
How do culture and suffering shape our faith? Mike Chu unpacks his story with Mel and Rich, exploring the Chinese church, Awakening School, and why theology, mentorship, and mission matter more than ever in today's spiritual landscape. You can find Awakening (AWKNG) School of Theology here: https://awkng.com/ You can find the Shane & Shane songs mentioned in this podcast here: Psalms 45 https://youtu.be/-d_lQI15fxo?si=-hl3FiECl4F5C7dA Psalms 46 https://youtu.be/PKs_gQecaDY?si=k9yWx1F0Ekk1NEen Over the Sun https://youtu.be/qGbT7FkhIus?si=lDaATBgY38ACTw-i


