
The Second Studio Design and Architecture Show
The Second Studio is an explicit podcast about design, architecture, and the everyday. Hosted by Architects David Lee and Marina Bourderonnet, the show covers a wide array of subjects with humor and honesty and features a variety of creative professionals in unscripted and more personal conversations.
Latest episodes

May 23, 2023 • 1h 50min
#343 - Thomas Robinson, AIA, Founder and Principal of LEVER Architecture
This week Architect Thomas Robinson, AIA, Founder and Principal of LEVER Architecture joins avid and Marina of FAME Architecture & Design to discuss his background; moving to California and attending Berkeley; being taught by Peter Zumthor’s; starting LEVER Architecture; mass timber construction; and more! This episode is supported by Monograph • Enscape • Programa • Sky-Frame • Graphisoft SUBSCRIBE • Apple Podcasts • YouTube • Spotify CONNECT • Website: www.secondstudiopod.com • Instagram • Facebook • Call or text questions to 213-222-6950 SUPPORT Leave a review EPISODE CATEGORIES • Interviews: Interviews with industry leaders. • Project Companion: Informative talks for clients. • Fellow Designer: Tips for designers. • After Hours: Casual conversations about everyday life. • Design Reviews: Reviews of creative projects and buildings.

May 16, 2023 • 1h 24min
#342 - Preparing Students for Their Careers and Global Challenges
This week David and Marina of FAME Architecture & Design have a discussion about how schools can better prepare students for their careers and to tackle issues of equity, social justice, and climate change. The questions are from EQiA’s (Equity in Architecture) 2023 Forum panel which took place Georgia Institute of Technology. The EQiA is a student organization at the Georgia Institute of Technology, College of Design. It is dedicated to unity and equity in architecture. Panel Recording: https://youtu.be/JiOBav_fBHM This episode is supported by Monograph • Enscape • Programa • Sky-Frame • Graphisoft SUBSCRIBE • Apple Podcasts • YouTube • Spotify CONNECT • Website: www.secondstudiopod.com • Instagram • Facebook • Call or text questions to 213-222-6950 SUPPORT Leave a review EPISODE CATEGORIES • Interviews: Interviews with industry leaders. • Project Companion: Informative talks for clients. • Fellow Designer: Tips for designers. • After Hours: Casual conversations about everyday life. • Design Reviews: Reviews of creative projects and buildings.

May 9, 2023 • 1h 50min
#341 - Paul McClean, Founder of McClean Design
This week Architect Paul McClean, founder of McClean Design joins David and Marina of FAME Architecture & Design to discuss his Irish roots and early love for residential architecture; his experiences in architecture school; his travels across the globe and work in various countries; relocating to California; their approach to residential design; working on a 100,000 square foot house; and more! This episode is supported by Monograph • Enscape • Sky-Frame • Graphisoft SUBSCRIBE • Apple Podcasts • YouTube • Spotify CONNECT • Office: www.famearchitects.com • Podcast: www.secondstudiopod.com • Instagram • Facebook • Call or text questions to 213-222-6950 SUPPORT Leave a review :) EPISODE CATEGORIES • Interviews: Interviews with industry leaders. • Project Companion: Informative talks for clients. • Fellow Designer: Tips for designers. • After Hours (AH): Casual conversations about everyday life. • Design Reviews: Reviews of creative projects and buildings.

May 2, 2023 • 1h 5min
#340 - Who Should I Hire? The differences between architect, interior architect, interior designer, designer, and decorator
This week David and Marina of FAME Architecture & Design clarify the distinctions between architecture, interior architecture, interior design, and decor. They also explain the variations between the responsibilities of an architect, an interior designer, an interior architect, a designer, and a decorator. (00:00) Introduction. (03:17) Defining the scopes of architecture, interior architecture, interior design, and decorating. (03:17) - Architecture (05:24) - Interior architecture (15:14) - Interior design (16:58) - Decorating (17:55) - The responsibilities of the different professionals. (17:55) - Architect (24:22) - Structural Engineer (25:40) - Interior Architect (27:02) - Interior Designer (30:34) - Designer (33:17) The professionals’ responsibilities for each part of a fictional project including site planning structure, facade, doors, windows, floor plans, mechanical systems, walls, interior wall finishes, millwork and built-ins, architectural lighting, decorative lighting, lighting plans, plumbing fixture locations and selection, equipment, furniture, and decor This episode is supported by Monograph • Enscape • Sky-Frame • Graphisoft SUBSCRIBE • Apple Podcasts • YouTube • Spotify CONNECT • Website: www.secondstudiopod.com • Instagram • Facebook • Call or text questions to 213-222-6950 SUPPORT Leave a review :) EPISODE CATEGORIES • Interviews: Interviews with industry leaders. • Project Companion: Informative talks for clients. • Fellow Designer: Tips for designers. • After Hours (AH): Casual conversations about everyday life. • Design Reviews: Reviews of creative projects and buildings.

Apr 25, 2023 • 1h 55min
#339 - Glenn Shelhamer, Real Estate Broker and Founder of the Shelhamer Group
This week Real Estate Broker Glenn Shelhamer, Founder of the Shelhamer Group joins David and Marina of FAME Architecture & Design to discuss starting his career in real estate; insight into the profession; his dynamic approach to leadership, team management, and mentorship; expanding the business with unique ventures and innovative strategies; and more! This episode is supported by Monograph • Enscape • Sky-Frame • Graphisoft SUBSCRIBE • Apple Podcasts • YouTube • Spotify CONNECT • Website: www.secondstudiopod.com • Instagram • Facebook • Call or text questions to 213-222-6950 SUPPORT Leave a review :) EPISODE CATEGORIES • Interviews: Interviews with industry leaders. • Project Companion: Informative talks for clients. • Fellow Designer: Tips for designers. • After Hours (AH): Casual conversations about everyday life. • Design Reviews: Reviews of creative projects and buildings.

Apr 20, 2023 • 46min
#338 - Listener Questions on Internship and Job Applications, Education, and B. Arch vs M. Arch I and II Degrees
This week David and Marina of FAME Architecture & Design answer questions from listeners about internship applications, job applications, education, and the differences between a Bachelor of Architecture and a Master of Architecture I and II. If you have your own questions, text them to 213-222-6950 or email hello@secondstudiopod.com This episode is supported by Monograph • Enscape • Sky-Frame • Graphisoft • Brizo SUBSCRIBE • Apple Podcasts • YouTube • Spotify CONNECT • Website: www.secondstudiopod.com • Instagram • Facebook • Call or text questions to 213-222-6950 SUPPORT Leave a review :) EPISODE CATEGORIES • Interviews: Interviews with industry leaders. • Project Companion: Informative talks for clients. • Fellow Designer: Tips for designers. • After Hours (AH): Casual conversations about everyday life. • Design Reviews: Reviews of creative projects and buildings.

Apr 18, 2023 • 1h 6min
#337 - How Architects Can Mitigate Economic Uncertainty with Robert Yuen, CEO of Monograph and Bolanle Williams-Olley, CFO of Mancini Duffy
This week Robert Yuen, CEO and Co-Founder of Monograph and Bolanle Williams-Olley, CFO & Co-Owner of Mancini Duffy join David and Marina of FAME Architecture & Design to discuss strategies for architects to overcome economic uncertainty. Robert and Bolanle discuss Monograph’s 2023 Strategic Risk Report which offers metrics, risks, and advice on this topic. Get Monograph's report here. Bolanle's book, Build Boldy This episode is supported by Monograph • Enscape • Sky-Frame • Graphisoft • Brizo SUBSCRIBE • Apple Podcasts • YouTube • Spotify CONNECT • Website: www.secondstudiopod.com • Instagram • Facebook • Call or text questions to 213-222-6950 SUPPORT Leave a review :) EPISODE CATEGORIES • Interviews: Interviews with industry leaders. • Project Companion: Informative talks for clients. • Fellow Designer: Tips for designers. • After Hours (AH): Casual conversations about everyday life. • Design Reviews: Reviews of creative projects and buildings.

Apr 11, 2023 • 43min
#336 - Why Hire Two Architects for One Project - Design Architect and Architect of Record
This week David and Marina of FAME Architecture & Design discuss the scenarios when two architects are needed for one project: The Design Architect and the Architect of Record. They cover the differences between the two architects, what projects require both, the pros and cons of having two architects, best practices and workflow when there are two architects, why having two architects is becoming more common, and more. This episode is supported by Monograph • Enscape • Sky-Frame • Graphisoft • Brizo SUBSCRIBE • Apple Podcasts • YouTube • Spotify CONNECT • Website: www.secondstudiopod.com • Instagram • Facebook • Call or text questions to 213-222-6950 SUPPORT Leave a review :) EPISODE CATEGORIES • Interviews: Interviews with industry leaders. • Project Companion: Informative talks for clients. • Fellow Designer: Tips for designers. • After Hours (AH): Casual conversations about everyday life. • Design Reviews: Reviews of creative projects and buildings.

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Apr 4, 2023 • 1h 6min
#335 - Anthony Laney, Founder of Laney LA
Anthony Laney, Founder of Laney LA, discusses the iterative design process, leadership, teamwork, designing different kinds of buildings, refining design sensibilities, real-time visualization, VR tools for the AEC industry, design thinking and iteration, and challenging traditional notions of home design.

Mar 28, 2023 • 1h 56min
#334 - David Whiteside, Founder of Whiteside Management
This week David Whiteside, founder and partner of Whiteside Management joins David and Marina of FAME Architecture & Design to discuss his background as a general contractor; transitioning into an owner’s representative; the value of an owner’s representative and their role in a project; the working relationship between his team and other stakeholders; tips for clients; and more. This episode is supported by Monograph • Enscape • Sky-Frame • Graphisoft SUBSCRIBE • Apple Podcasts • YouTube • Spotify CONNECT • Website: www.secondstudiopod.com • Instagram • Facebook • Call or text questions to 213-222-6950 SUPPORT Leave a review :) EPISODE CATEGORIES • Interviews: Interviews with industry leaders. • Project Companion: Informative talks for clients. • Fellow Designer: Tips for designers. • After Hours (AH): Casual conversations about everyday life. • Design Reviews: Reviews of creative projects and buildings.