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Speak Up: A Speech Pathology Australia Podcast
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Jul 30, 2025 • 1h 4min

Building your voice banking toolkit S7E26

In this week’s episode, Dr Lillian Krikheli and Dr Sarah El Wahsh speak about all things voice banking. Sarah and Lillian discuss how to raise the topic of voice preservation, how to support your service user to select the best software for their needs, and what changes AI has facilitated in voice banking. Much of the content discussed in this podcast is informed by both clinical practice and co-design research conducted at the statewide progressive neurological disease service at Calvary Health Care Bethlehem (Melbourne). The research was supported by MND Victoria through the Ella Whaley Research Fund, along with internal funding from La Trobe University. A workshop based on this material was presented at the SPA 2025 Conference: Krikheli, L., El-Wahsh, S., Brooks, M., Jackson, N., & Jackson, N. (2025, June 13). Voice banking: An investment in the speech pathologist’s toolkit [Conference workshop]. Speech Pathology Australia National Conference, Adelaide, Australia. The perspectives shared in this podcast represent the speakers' own interpretations and experiences and do not necessarily reflect those of any affiliated institutions or funding bodies. Resources: If you are a speech pathologist interested in the voice banking community of practice, please email: sarah.el-wahsh@sydney.edu.au or l.krikheli@latrobe.edu.au Cave, R., & Bloch, S. (2021). Voice banking for people living with motor neurone disease: Views and expectations. International Journal of Language & Communication Disorders, 56(1), 116–129. https://doi.org/10.1111/1460-6984.12588 Speech Pathology Australia acknowledge the Traditional Custodians of lands, seas and waters throughout Australia, and pay respect to Elders past and present. We recognise that the health and social and emotional wellbeing of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples are grounded in continued connection to culture, country, language and community and acknowledge that sovereignty was never ceded. Free access to transcripts for podcast episodes are available via the SPA Learning Hub (https://learninghub.speechpathologyaustralia.org.au/), you will need to sign in or create an account. For more information, please see our Bio or for further enquiries, email speakuppodcast@speechpathologyaustralia.org.au Disclaimer: © (2025) The Speech Pathology Association of Australia Limited. All rights reserved. Important Notice, Please read: The views expressed in this presentation and reproduced in these materials are not necessarily the views of, or endorsed by, The Speech Pathology Association of Australia Limited (“the Association”). The Association makes no warranty or representation in relation to the content, currency or accuracy of any of the materials comprised in this recording. The Association expressly disclaims any and all liability (including liability for negligence) in respect of use of these materials and the information contained within them. The Association recommends you seek independent professional advice prior to making any decision involving matters outlined in this recording including in any of the materials referred to or otherwise incorporated into this recording. Except as otherwise stated, copyright and all other intellectual property rights comprised in the presentation and these materials, remain the exclusive property of the Association. Except with the Association’s prior written approval you must not, in whole or part, reproduce, modify, adapt, distribute, publish or electronically communicate (including by online means) this recording or any of these materials.
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Jul 23, 2025 • 25min

Managing unexpected workplace risks S7E25

In this week’s episode, we speak with Anna Pannuzzo from WorkPlacePLUS about preparing for the unexpected, and using risk management to enable business continuity. Anna speaks about the process of making contingency plans for situations such as natural disasters, sudden illness, and data breaches. Resources: WorkPlacePLUS: https://www.workplaceplus.com.au/ Contact WorkPlacePLUS: https://www.workplaceplus.com.au/contact SPA Resources: SPA member private practice resources, including the privacy guide and policies and procedures manual: https://speechpathologyaustralia.org.au/Members/Members/Professional-practice/Professional-Resources/PPR/PPE.aspx Podcast: S05 E27 Succession planning: future proof your business: https://on.soundcloud.com/VF8MWUAEZ4hawK2rpp Free access to transcripts and the full list of resources / references for this podcast are available via the SPA Learning Hub (https://learninghub.speechpathologyaustralia.org.au/), you will need to sign in or create an account. For more information, please see our Bio or for further enquiries, email speakuppodcast@speechpathologyaustralia.org.au Speech Pathology Australia acknowledge the Traditional Custodians of lands, seas and waters throughout Australia, and pay respect to Elders past and present. We recognise that the health and social and emotional wellbeing of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples are grounded in continued connection to culture, country, language and community and acknowledge that sovereignty was never ceded. Disclaimer: © (2025) The Speech Pathology Association of Australia Limited. All rights reserved. Important Notice, Please read: The views expressed in this presentation and reproduced in these materials are not necessarily the views of, or endorsed by, The Speech Pathology Association of Australia Limited (“the Association”). The Association makes no warranty or representation in relation to the content, currency or accuracy of any of the materials comprised in this recording. The Association expressly disclaims any and all liability (including liability for negligence) in respect of use of these materials and the information contained within them. The Association recommends you seek independent professional advice prior to making any decision involving matters outlined in this recording including in any of the materials referred to or otherwise incorporated into this recording. Except as otherwise stated, copyright and all other intellectual property rights comprised in the presentation and these materials, remain the exclusive property of the Association. Except with the Association’s prior written approval you must not, in whole or part, reproduce, modify, adapt, distribute, publish or electronically communicate (including by online means) this recording or any of these materials.
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Jul 16, 2025 • 54min

Using AI to support communication and connection S7E24

In this week’s episode, we bring you a recording live from SPA’s 2025 conference, in Tarntanya | Adelaide. Dr Fiona Kerr, who was the plenary presenter the morning of this recording, and speech pathologist Ishwari Samarakoon, speak about using AI and technology to support connection and communication. They speak about resources, and ways to ensure when using AI to support speech pathology services that this is done with co-design at the forefront of our minds. Resources: Human Compatible by Stuart Russell: https://www.penguin.com.au/books/human-compatible-9780141987507 2062: The world that AI made by Toby Walsh: https://www.blackincbooks.com.au/books/2062 How to fix the future by Andrew Keen: https://www.allenandunwin.com/browse/book/andrew-keen-how-to-fix-the-future-9781786491688 The Interbrain by Digby Tantam: https://uk.jkp.com/products/the-interbrain The Rundown AI: https://www.therundown.ai/ Sinead Bovell: https://www.sineadbovell.com/ The Art and Science of Looking Up, free e-book by Dr Fiona Kerr: https://www.lookup.org.au/report Contact Ish: https://thespeechielife.com.au/ Australian Government 10 guardrails for using AI: https://www.industry.gov.au/publications/voluntary-ai-safety-standard/10-guardrails Australia’s AI ethical principles: https://www.industry.gov.au/publications/australias-artificial-intelligence-ethics-principles/australias-ai-ethics-principles SPA resources: Artificial Intelligence (AI) in speech pathology: Ethical considerations: https://www.speechpathologyaustralia.org.au/resource?resource=935 AI FAQ: https://www.speechpathologyaustralia.org.au/Public/Shared_Content/Smart-Suite/Smart-Library/Public/Smart-Library-View.aspx?resource=941 Speech Pathology Australia acknowledge the Traditional Custodians of lands, seas and waters throughout Australia, and pay respect to Elders past and present. We recognise that the health and social and emotional wellbeing of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples are grounded in continued connection to culture, country, language and community and acknowledge that sovereignty was never ceded. Free access to transcripts for podcast episodes are available via the SPA Learning Hub (https://learninghub.speechpathologyaustralia.org.au/), you will need to sign in or create an account. For more information, please see our Bio or for further enquiries, email speakuppodcast@speechpathologyaustralia.org.au Disclaimer: © (2025) The Speech Pathology Association of Australia Limited. All rights reserved. Important Notice, Please read: The views expressed in this presentation and reproduced in these materials are not necessarily the views of, or endorsed by, The Speech Pathology Association of Australia Limited (“the Association”). The Association makes no warranty or representation in relation to the content, currency or accuracy of any of the materials comprised in this recording. The Association expressly disclaims any and all liability (including liability for negligence) in respect of use of these materials and the information contained within them. The Association recommends you seek independent professional advice prior to making any decision involving matters outlined in this recording including in any of the materials referred to or otherwise incorporated into this recording. Except as otherwise stated, copyright and all other intellectual property rights comprised in the presentation and these materials, remain the exclusive property of the Association. Except with the Association’s prior written approval you must not, in whole or part, reproduce, modify, adapt, distribute, publish or electronically communicate (including by online means) this recording or any of these materials.
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Jul 9, 2025 • 26min

Navigating NDIS changes, and NAIDOC week reflections S07 E23

In this week’s episode we speak with Jane and Kelly from the Advisor team about the frequently asked questions that they are hearing from SPA members about the recent NDIS changes. Kelly and Jane speak about the resources that members have found helpful, including information about pricing, ceasing services, and the heavy toll that speech pathologists are feeling. The episode ends with some reflections on NAIDOC week. Resources: Free access to transcripts and for a full list of resources for this podcast is available via the SPA Learning Hub https://learninghub.speechpathologyaustralia.org.au/ you will need to sign in or create a free account. For more information, please see our Bio or for further enquiries, email speakuppodcast@speechpathologyaustralia.org.au SPA's NDIS updates: https://www.speechpathologyaustralia.org.au/Members/Members/Professional-practice/Professional-Resources/NDIS.aspx?hkey=3a92e538-62d2-45d5-a7e7-cee571b818f4 SPA's Mental health and wellbeing resources: https://speechpathologyaustralia.org.au/Members/Members/Member-benefits/mental-health-wellbeing-support.aspx Free member wellbeing webinars: Thriving through uncertainty - strategies for personal wellbeing (July 16th 2025) https://www.speechpathologyaustralia.org.au/EventDetail?EventKey=25PE61 Navigating difficult conversations with care (July 24th 2025) https://www.speechpathologyaustralia.org.au/EventDetail?EventKey=25PE53 Navigating moral injury - supporting the wellbeing of SPs (July 29th 2025) https://www.speechpathologyaustralia.org.au/EventDetail?EventKey=25PE22 NDIS pricing town hall (June 2025): https://learninghub.speechpathologyaustralia.org.au/topclass/topclass.do?expand-OfferingDetails-Offeringid=1027782 NAIDOC week events: https://www.naidoc.org.au/local-events/local-naidoc-week-events Speech Pathology Australia acknowledge the Traditional Custodians of lands, seas and waters throughout Australia, and pay respect to Elders past and present. We recognise that the health and social and emotional wellbeing of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples are grounded in continued connection to culture, country, language and community and acknowledge that sovereignty was never ceded. Disclaimer: © (2025) The Speech Pathology Association of Australia Limited. All rights reserved. Important Notice, Please read: The views expressed in this presentation and reproduced in these materials are not necessarily the views of, or endorsed by, The Speech Pathology Association of Australia Limited (“the Association”). The Association makes no warranty or representation in relation to the content, currency or accuracy of any of the materials comprised in this recording. The Association expressly disclaims any and all liability (including liability for negligence) in respect of use of these materials and the information contained within them. The Association recommends you seek independent professional advice prior to making any decision involving matters outlined in this recording including in any of the materials referred to or otherwise incorporated into this recording. Except as otherwise stated, copyright and all other intellectual property rights comprised in the presentation and these materials, remain the exclusive property of the Association. Except with the Association’s prior written approval you must not, in whole or part, reproduce, modify, adapt, distribute, publish or electronically communicate (including by online means) this recording or any of these materials.
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Jul 2, 2025 • 49min

Oral histories: SPA Life member Helen Smith S7E22

In this live episode from the 2025 SPA Conference in Tarntanya | Adelaide, we speak with Helen Smith, who the day before became Speech Pathology Australia’s newest Life member. Resources: If you would like to hear Helen speak more about ethics, she contributed to the Code of Ethics: Support for everyday practice https://learninghub.speechpathologyaustralia.org.au/topclass/topclass.do?expand-OfferingDetails-Offeringid=3090 Speech Pathology Australia acknowledge the Traditional Custodians of lands, seas and waters throughout Australia, and pay respect to Elders past and present. We recognise that the health and social and emotional wellbeing of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples are grounded in continued connection to culture, country, language and community and acknowledge that sovereignty was never ceded. Free access to transcripts for podcast episodes are available via the SPA Learning Hub (https://learninghub.speechpathologyaustralia.org.au/), you will need to sign in or create an account. For more information, please see our Bio or for further enquiries, email speakuppodcast@speechpathologyaustralia.org.au Disclaimer: © (2025) The Speech Pathology Association of Australia Limited. All rights reserved. Important Notice, Please read: The views expressed in this presentation and reproduced in these materials are not necessarily the views of, or endorsed by, The Speech Pathology Association of Australia Limited (“the Association”). The Association makes no warranty or representation in relation to the content, currency or accuracy of any of the materials comprised in this recording. The Association expressly disclaims any and all liability (including liability for negligence) in respect of use of these materials and the information contained within them. The Association recommends you seek independent professional advice prior to making any decision involving matters outlined in this recording including in any of the materials referred to or otherwise incorporated into this recording. Except as otherwise stated, copyright and all other intellectual property rights comprised in the presentation and these materials, remain the exclusive property of the Association. Except with the Association’s prior written approval you must not, in whole or part, reproduce, modify, adapt, distribute, publish or electronically communicate (including by online means) this recording or any of these materials.
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Jun 25, 2025 • 37min

S7E21: Supporting LGBTIQ+ individuals in Aged Care

In this week’s episode, we recognise Pride month as SPA’s Jess Kaplonyi (she/her), speaks with Chris Hunt (she/her) and Dr Louisa Smith (she/her) from LGBTIQ+ Health Australia’s Silver Rainbow program. They discuss the experiences and support needs of LGBTIQ+ individuals living with dementia and who engage with palliative care and Aged Care. Resources:  LGBTIQ+ Health Australia – Silver Rainbow resources: https://www.lgbtiqhealth.org.au/silver_rainbow LGBTIQ+ Health Australia – Workplace Training: https://www.lgbtiqhealth.org.au/training Dr Louisa Smith: https://experts.deakin.edu.au/56525-louisa-smith Australia Government – My Aged Care Support for LGBTI people: https://www.myagedcare.gov.au/support-lesbian-gay-bisexual-transgender-and-intersex-people SPA Ageing and Aged Care resources (Members only): https://speechpathologyaustralia.org.au/Members/Members/Professional-practice/Practice-areas/Ageing-and-aged-care.aspx?hkey=bff6ccb6-1850-4151-8545-3a899a74a3ba
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Jun 18, 2025 • 45min

Rebroadcast: Ethical AI in Speech Pathology, part 1 S7E20

In this week’s episode, the Scientific Chair of the 2025 conference, Dr Jacqueline McKechnie offers her reflections on the episode ethical AI in speech pathology, a conversation with Professor Emma Power, from UTS. Emma speaks about the opportunities and considerations that using Generative AI can provide and the ethical considerations that we need to be thinking about. Resources: The Conversation article: theconversation.com/will-ai-tech-li…sability-196481 Speak Up: Ethical AI in Speech Pathology Part 2: https://learninghub.speechpathologyaustralia.org.au/topclass/topclass.do?expand-OfferingDetails-Offeringid=450861 Australia’s AI Ethics Principles: https://www.industry.gov.au/publications/australias-artificial-intelligence-ethics-principles/australias-ai-ethics-principles Australian Government 10 guardrails: https://www.industry.gov.au/publications/voluntary-ai-safety-standard/10-guardrails Otter AI (meeting note taker): get.otter.ai/otter_ai_chat/?utm…AAYASAAEgIpuPD_BwE Chat GPT: chat.openai.com/ HeyGen: www.heygen.com/?sid=rewardful&vi…AYASAAEgLiE_D_BwE Yoodli AI speech coach: www.youtube.com/@yoodli/videos The Bletchley Declaration: www.industry.gov.au/publications/bl…2-november-2023 WHO Global report on AI in health: www.who.int/news/item/28-06-202…-its-design-and-use Digital NSW: www.digital.nsw.gov.au/ Hippocratic AI: https://www.hippocraticai.com/ Speech Pathology Australia acknowledge the Traditional Custodians of lands, seas and waters throughout Australia, and pay respect to Elders past and present. We recognise that the health and social and emotional wellbeing of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples are grounded in continued connection to culture, country, language and community and acknowledge that sovereignty was never ceded. Free access to transcripts for podcast episodes are available via the SPA Learning Hub (https://learninghub.speechpathologyaustralia.org.au/), you will need to sign in or create an account. For more information, please see our Bio or for further enquiries, email speakuppodcast@speechpathologyaustralia.org.au Disclaimer: © (2025) The Speech Pathology Association of Australia Limited. All rights reserved. Important Notice, Please read: The views expressed in this presentation and reproduced in these materials are not necessarily the views of, or endorsed by, The Speech Pathology Association of Australia Limited (“the Association”). The Association makes no warranty or representation in relation to the content, currency or accuracy of any of the materials comprised in this recording. The Association expressly disclaims any and all liability (including liability for negligence) in respect of use of these materials and the information contained within them. The Association recommends you seek independent professional advice prior to making any decision involving matters outlined in this recording including in any of the materials referred to or otherwise incorporated into this recording. Except as otherwise stated, copyright and all other intellectual property rights comprised in the presentation and these materials, remain the exclusive property of the Association. Except with the Association’s prior written approval you must not, in whole or part, reproduce, modify, adapt, distribute, publish or electronically communicate (including by online means) this recording or any of these materials.
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Jun 11, 2025 • 45min

Rebroadcast: UN Sustainable Development Goals S7E19

In this week’s episode, Dr Debbie Pu from the 2025 Conference Planning Advisory Committee offers her reflections on the episode UN Sustainable Development Goals. Professor Sharynne McLeod and Professor Julie Marshall about a special issue of the International Journal of Speech-Language Pathology focusing on the United Nations’ Sustainable Development Goals from 2023. They discuss insight from speech pathologists around the globe on how the profession can contribute to peace and prosperity for people and the planet now and in the future. Resources: SPA introduction to the special issue of the IJSLP:  https://www.speechpathologyaustralia.org.au/Members/News-and-publications/Publications/Speak-Out-Articles/Latest/Communication-swallowing-S-D-G.aspx IJSLP Issue on Communication, Swallowing, and the Sustainable Development Goals (Open-Access): www.tandfonline.com/toc/iasl20/25/1 United Nations Sustainable Development Goals: sdgs.un.org/goals Speech Pathology Australia acknowledge the Traditional Custodians of lands, seas and waters throughout Australia, and pay respect to Elders past and present. We recognise that the health and social and emotional wellbeing of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples are grounded in continued connection to culture, country, language and community and acknowledge that sovereignty was never ceded. Free access to transcripts for podcast episodes are available via the SPA Learning Hub (https://learninghub.speechpathologyaustralia.org.au/), you will need to sign in or create an account. For more information, please see our Bio or for further enquiries, email speakuppodcast@speechpathologyaustralia.org.au Disclaimer: © (2025) The Speech Pathology Association of Australia Limited. All rights reserved. Important Notice, Please read: The views expressed in this presentation and reproduced in these materials are not necessarily the views of, or endorsed by, The Speech Pathology Association of Australia Limited (“the Association”). The Association makes no warranty or representation in relation to the content, currency or accuracy of any of the materials comprised in this recording. The Association expressly disclaims any and all liability (including liability for negligence) in respect of use of these materials and the information contained within them. The Association recommends you seek independent professional advice prior to making any decision involving matters outlined in this recording including in any of the materials referred to or otherwise incorporated into this recording. Except as otherwise stated, copyright and all other intellectual property rights comprised in the presentation and these materials, remain the exclusive property of the Association. Except with the Association’s prior written approval you must not, in whole or part, reproduce, modify, adapt, distribute, publish or electronically communicate (including by online means) this recording or any of these materials.
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Jun 4, 2025 • 27min

Planning ahead: psychosocial safety in your practice S7E18

In this week's episode, we speak with Anna Pannuzzo, from WorkPlace PLUS, about creating policies to uphold everyone’s psychosocial safety at work. Anna speaks about how planning ahead can help to ensure that if something challenging and unexpected does happen, there is a prepared plan. Anna speaks about policies and processes for psychosocial hazards, raising concerns in your workplace and how to balance the wellbeing of staff and being empathic to service users who are facing their own challenges. Resources: WorkPlace PLUS https://www.workplaceplus.com.au/ Safe Work Australia https://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au/ FairWork Ombudsman https://www.fairwork.gov.au/ FairWork Commission https://www.fwc.gov.au/ Speech Pathology Australia acknowledge the Traditional Custodians of lands, seas and waters throughout Australia, and pay respect to Elders past and present. We recognise that the health and social and emotional wellbeing of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples are grounded in continued connection to culture, country, language and community and acknowledge that sovereignty was never ceded. Free access to transcripts for podcast episodes are available via the SPA Learning Hub, you will need to sign in or create an account. For more information, please see our Bio or for further enquiries, email speakuppodcast@speechpathologyaustralia.org.au Disclaimer: © (2025) The Speech Pathology Association of Australia Limited. All rights reserved. Important Notice, Please read: The views expressed in this presentation and reproduced in these materials are not necessarily the views of, or endorsed by, The Speech Pathology Association of Australia Limited (“the Association”). The Association makes no warranty or representation in relation to the content, currency or accuracy of any of the materials comprised in this recording. The Association expressly disclaims any and all liability (including liability for negligence) in respect of use of these materials and the information contained within them. The Association recommends you seek independent professional advice prior to making any decision involving matters outlined in this recording including in any of the materials referred to or otherwise incorporated into this recording. Except as otherwise stated, copyright and all other intellectual property rights comprised in the presentation and these materials, remain the exclusive property of the Association. Except with the Association’s prior written approval you must not, in whole or part, reproduce, modify, adapt, distribute, publish or electronically communicate (including by online means) this recording or any of these materials.
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May 28, 2025 • 21min

Holding connections in speech pathology practice S7E17

In this week’s episode, we speak with Associate Professor Jade Cartwright. Jade is delivering the Elizabeth Usher Memorial Lecture at the 2025 SPA conference in Tarntanya | Adelaide on Sunday June 15th, 2025. Jade discusses the inspiration behind her plenary address, and reflects on the learnings we can achieve when we work to co-design with the people we support. Resources: Register for the SPA 2025 Conference in person in Tarntanya | Adelaide or online: https://www.speechpathologyaustralia.org.au/Public/Public/CPD-events/SPA-conference/2025/Home.aspx?hkey=7dc6c396-6a70-45c3-8dbf-35b3d1db93e2 Visit the author Christine Bryden’s website: https://christinebryden.com/ Visit the author Kate Swaffer’s website: https://kateswaffer.com/ Visit the author Wendy Mitchell’s website: https://whichmeamitoday.wordpress.com/ View Dr Gaynor Macdonald publication history: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Gaynor-Macdonald Maggie Beer's Big Mission on iView: https://iview.abc.net.au/show/maggie-beer-s-big-mission Speak Up podcast S6 E25 A behind the scenes look at Maggie Beer’s Big Mission https://soundcloud.com/speechpathologyaustralia/a-behind-the-scenes-look-at-maggie-beers-big-mission-s6e26?si=9897459275334a52aa0e935634f651eb&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing Consensus-based recommendations for people with PPA: https://alz-journals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/alz.14362 Speech Pathology Australia acknowledge the Traditional Custodians of lands, seas and waters throughout Australia, and pay respect to Elders past and present. We recognise that the health and social and emotional wellbeing of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples are grounded in continued connection to culture, country, language and community and acknowledge that sovereignty was never ceded. Free access to transcripts for podcast episodes are available via the SPA Learning Hub, you will need to sign in or create an account. For more information, please see our Bio or for further enquiries, email speakuppodcast@speechpathologyaustralia.org.au Disclaimer: © (2025) The Speech Pathology Association of Australia Limited. All rights reserved. Important Notice, Please read: The views expressed in this presentation and reproduced in these materials are not necessarily the views of, or endorsed by, The Speech Pathology Association of Australia Limited (“the Association”). The Association makes no warranty or representation in relation to the content, currency or accuracy of any of the materials comprised in this recording. The Association expressly disclaims any and all liability (including liability for negligence) in respect of use of these materials and the information contained within them. The Association recommends you seek independent professional advice prior to making any decision involving matters outlined in this recording including in any of the materials referred to or otherwise incorporated into this recording. Except as otherwise stated, copyright and all other intellectual property rights comprised in the presentation and these materials, remain the exclusive property of the Association. Except with the Association’s prior written approval you must not, in whole or part, reproduce, modify, adapt, distribute, publish or electronically communicate (including by online means) this recording or any of these materials.

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