
Between Drafts
Are you an aspiring author dreaming of writing full-time? Join Nathan and Nat, two online writers navigating the murky waters of the publishing world, as they pull back the curtain on their journeys to becoming professional authors. With refreshing honesty and hard-won insights, they'll share the ups and downs, rejections and victories, and get real about their numbers, pitches, and publishing experiences.
Whether you're hoping to publish fiction or nonfiction, traditionally or independently, this is a candid, unfiltered look at what it really takes.
Latest episodes

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Jan 21, 2025 • 55min
Self-Editing for Authors: Getting Feedback, the "Triage" Method, and More (Ep. 4)
Delve into the art of self-editing with insights on effective feedback and tailored questions for beta readers. Learn to master a top-down hierarchy in your writing—focusing on story before details. Explore innovative publishing models that enhance author rights. Understand the balance between revision and over-editing, alongside using tools like GitHub for version control. Finally, uncover techniques to elevate your prose and the impact of different reading mediums on your writing.

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Jan 13, 2025 • 46min
Getting an Agent for Your Novel: Lessons from 90+ Rejections (Ep. 3)
Nathan shares his grueling experience of facing over 90 rejections while seeking an agent for his debut novel. He discusses the importance of feedback and the emotional rollercoaster writers endure during the querying process. In a hopeful turn, he reveals what he'll do differently with his new manuscript, emphasizing the need for effective query letters and the significance of building connections with agents. The conversation also touches on navigating different book categories and rediscovering the joy of writing amidst the challenges.

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Jan 13, 2025 • 53min
How to Get a Six-Figure Book Deal: Nat's Journey with Crypto Confidential (Ep. 2)
Dive into the intriguing journey of landing a $275,000 book deal focused on cryptocurrency. Discover the essential elements of a nonfiction book proposal that captivates publishers. Learn why building an engaged audience is crucial—and how email lists can be more valuable than social media followers. Gain insights into the differences between self-publishing and traditional paths, along with tips to successfully navigate the literary agent landscape. The complexities of the publishing journey are unraveled, offering a wealth of knowledge for aspiring authors.

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Jan 13, 2025 • 44min
Making it as an Author with Nathan Baugh & Nat Eliason (Ep. 1)
Join two seasoned online writers as they share their candid journeys in the publishing world. They discuss the emotional rollercoaster of querying agents and the major differences between traditional and self-publishing. Insights include the importance of audience building and how feedback can reshape your story. Learn about the pitfalls of over-editing, techniques for crafting engaging narratives, and mastering pacing. This discussion is packed with practical advice for aspiring authors navigating their path to becoming professionals.

Jan 1, 2025 • 2min
Between Drafts is Coming Soon!
The hosts embark on an exciting journey into the lives of authors, exploring their paths to becoming full-time writers. Expect to dive into the intricate world of writing and publishing, gaining valuable insights along the way. The discussion promises candid stories that highlight the challenges and triumphs authors face in their careers. Get ready for an engaging experience that connects listeners with the realities of both fiction and nonfiction writing!