

Between Drafts
Nathan Baugh and Nat Eliason
Are you an aspiring author dreaming of writing full-time? Join Nathan and Nat, two online writers navigating the murky waters of the publishing world, as they pull back the curtain on their journeys to becoming professional authors. With refreshing honesty and hard-won insights, they'll share the ups and downs, rejections and victories, and get real about their numbers, pitches, and publishing experiences.
Whether you're hoping to publish fiction or nonfiction, traditionally or independently, this is a candid, unfiltered look at what it really takes.
Whether you're hoping to publish fiction or nonfiction, traditionally or independently, this is a candid, unfiltered look at what it really takes.
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Aug 19, 2025 • 38min
How to Find and Hire a Developmental Editor for Your Novel
Grab a copy of HuskJoin Nathan's author newsletterJoin Nat's author newsletterNathan shares his experience working with Michael Braff, a seasoned editor known for his work on the Red Rising series. He walks through his methodical approach to finding the right editor, what the actual editing process entails, and the substantial investment of both time and money ($7,000) required for high-quality developmental editing.The conversation dives deep into the specific feedback received, from enhancing world-building through precise word choice to the importance of "setting the stage" in each scene using dimension, direction, duration, and detail. Nathan and Nat discuss how this professional feedback not only improves the current manuscript but provides valuable insights for future writing projects. The episode also touches on the subsequent steps in the publishing process, including copy editing, proofreading, and interior book design.Between writing updates, Nat shares some exciting news about recent positive reviews for his book Husk from both BookLife (Publishers Weekly) and Kirkus Reviews, offering a glimpse into the parallel journeys of two writers at different stages of their publishing careers.TIMESTAMPS[00:04] Nat announces having a new baby during podcast break[02:19] Discussion begins about developmental editing process[03:31] Introduction of editor Michael Braff and Red Rising series[05:10] Decision process for investing in developmental editing[07:13] Finding and selecting the right developmental editor[10:15] Breakdown of developmental editing deliverables and pricing[13:12] Editor's assessment of story structure and strengths[16:05] Detailed feedback on word choice and descriptions[18:35] The four D's of scene setting: dimension, direction, duration, detail[22:39] Prioritizing editing work and revision strategy[27:55] Discussion of copy editing and proofreading importance[30:23] Decision on additional beta readers[33:28] Book sales updates and marketing discussion[34:57] Review feedback from BookLife and Publishers Weekly[37:14] Timeline update for upcoming book releasesFollow us on Twitter twitter.com/between_draftsFollow us on Instagram instagram.com/betweendraftspod

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Jun 21, 2025 • 45min
How to Afford an Author Career
Aspiring authors face financial challenges while pursuing their dreams. The hosts share strategies for balancing a full-time job with writing, emphasizing productivity and financial planning. They discuss the benefits of low-expectation jobs that allow creative freedom. Differentiating between fiction and nonfiction, they reveal insights on profitability and marketing approaches. The conversation also touches on the complexities of building an audience and the nuances of selling books versus courses, highlighting the relentless persistence needed for success.

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Jun 17, 2025 • 43min
Should You Read Recursion by Blake Crouch?
Dive into a thrilling exploration of memory and time with Blake Crouch's 'Recursion.' The hosts analyze how the novel transforms from an intimate character study into a global crisis. They compare it to 'Dark Matter,' highlighting the author's evolution in handling complex scenarios while keeping the emotional core intact. The discussion delves into unique time travel concepts, causality, and philosophical elements, making it a captivating listen for sci-fi fans who enjoy thought-provoking narratives.

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Jun 10, 2025 • 38min
Nat Launched a Self-Published Book and Here's What Happened (Husk Launch Recap)
Explore the behind-the-scenes of launching a self-published novel with insights on navigating Amazon's ranking system and the balance between direct sales and distribution. Discover the secrets behind selling over 500 copies in just one week! The hosts discuss marketing strategies, including the importance of early reader reviews, and the effectiveness of pre-orders. Learn about the challenges of long-term promotion and hear unique strategies like using social media ads and TikTok hacks to engage potential readers.

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Jun 3, 2025 • 42min
How to Launch Your Self-Published Novel (Nat's Plan)
As Nathan prepares to launch his sci-fi novel 'Husk', he and Nat dive into the emotional and strategic nuances of self-publishing. They discuss choosing Amazon categories for better visibility and the fine art of pricing and promotions. Insights into effective pre-order sales, direct website purchases, and social media engagement reveal the complexities of modern book marketing. The duo also touches on the evolving landscape of publishing and the challenges of maintaining creativity under time pressures, all while navigating their personal experiences.

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May 27, 2025 • 56min
Should You Read Empire of Silence? Our Review
The hosts dive into the epic science fantasy of 'Empire of Silence,' exploring its rich world-building and deliberate pacing. They compare it to classics like 'Dune,' discussing character development and the intricate narrative structure. Key themes include the blending of faith and power, alongside moral dilemmas faced by the protagonist. The conversation also addresses the challenges of self-publishing, offering insights from Nat’s book launch experience, and sets the stage for their upcoming book club choice, 'Recursion.'

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May 20, 2025 • 35min
How & Why to Start a Paid Newsletter
Dive into the world of paid newsletters as hosts discuss launching subscription-based content. They explore inspiring models like George Saunders' Story Club and emphasize the importance of valuable storytelling. The conversation reveals strategies for monetizing writing on platforms like Substack, the shift from one-time purchases to subscriptions, and the art of collaboration in storytelling. Plus, they tackle the complexities of marketing books and boosting audience engagement, highlighting the benefits of bundling and community support.

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May 13, 2025 • 50min
How Much to Charge for a Self-Published Book
The hosts discuss Nathan's first paperback copies of his sci-fi novel, focusing on innovative pricing strategies for various formats. They delve into the evolving landscape of author marketing, highlighting the power of platforms like Instagram's Bookstagram community. The effects of Amazon's pricing on self-published works are examined, alongside the potential benefits and drawbacks of Kindle Unlimited. They also share engaging insights on connecting with readers through Discord and maximizing influencer collaborations.

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Apr 29, 2025 • 47min
Building an Audience as an Author
Discover the essential strategies for authors looking to build their audience. The discussion emphasizes the need to distinguish between attracting writers versus readers. Key topics include leveraging social media, the power of niche content, and the effectiveness of short-form videos. Insights are shared on how to convert social media followers into newsletter subscribers, and the speakers highlight the importance of engaging content and leveraging reviews for book success. Tune in for practical tips on enhancing your author brand!

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Apr 22, 2025 • 44min
Planning a Book Launch
The hosts unveil their diverse strategies for book launches, focusing on platforms like Shopify and Amazon. They share insights on the high costs and intricate production of audiobooks, highlighting the importance of narrator selection. The discussion delves into the evolution of writing processes, balancing confidence gained from past works with fresh challenges. Additionally, they touch on effective email marketing tactics and the significance of timeline planning for editing and presentation, ensuring a successful launch.