

Super Data Science: ML & AI Podcast with Jon Krohn
Jon Krohn
The latest machine learning, A.I., and data career topics from across both academia and industry are brought to you by host Dr. Jon Krohn on the Super Data Science Podcast. As the quantity of data on our planet doubles every couple of years and with this trend set to continue for decades to come, there's an unprecedented opportunity for you to make a meaningful impact in your lifetime. In conversation with the biggest names in the data science industry, Jon cuts through hype to fuel that professional impact.Whether you're curious about getting started in a data career or you're a deep technical expert, whether you'd like to understand what A.I. is or you'd like to integrate more data-driven processes into your business, we have inspiring guests and lighthearted conversation for you to enjoy.We cover tools, techniques, and implementation tricks across data collection, databases, analytics, predictive modeling, visualization, software engineering, real-world applications, commercialization, and entrepreneurship − everything you need to crush it with data science.
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Aug 8, 2025 • 33min
912: In Case You Missed It in July 2025
In this episode of In Case You Missed It, we look back on five great interview episodes from July. Hear from Lilith Bat-Leah (Episode 901), Sinan Ozdemir (Episode 903), Sebastian Gehrmann (Episode 905), Zohar Bronfman (Episode 907) and Robert Ness (Episode 909). They’ll tell you why data-centric machine learning is so important across disciplines, starting with law, and how we can use AI benchmarks and “red teaming” to refine our search for the best AI models.
Additional materials: www.superdatascience.com/912
Interested in sponsoring a SuperDataScience Podcast episode? Email natalie@superdatascience.com for sponsorship information.

Aug 5, 2025 • 58min
911: The Future of Python Notebooks is Here, with Marimo’s Dr. Akshay Agrawal
Reproducibility, Python notebooks, and data science communities: Software developer Akshay Agrawal speaks to Jon Krohn about Marimo, the next-generation computational notebook for Python, how he built and fostered a thriving community around the product, and what makes this notebook so versatile and accessible for users.
Additional materials: www.superdatascience.com/911
This episode is brought to you by Trainium2, the latest AI chip from AWS and by the Dell AI Factory with NVIDIA.
Interested in sponsoring a SuperDataScience Podcast episode? Email natalie@superdatascience.com for sponsorship information.

Aug 1, 2025 • 10min
910: AI is Disrupting Journalism: The Good, The Bad and The Opportunity
In this Five-Minute Friday, Jon Krohn looks into AI’s disruption of the journalism industry and how it has fundamentally reshaped news production. Multiple news outlets’ suing of ChatGPT over its use of copyrighted materials may have taken the most headlines to date, but this isn’t to say news media is rebuffing AI entirely. On the contrary, several outlets have launched summarization and analysis tools for both internal and external use, such as The New York Times’s Echo and The Washington Post’s Haystacker. This episode looks into the ways major news outlets are utilising AI, and what this means for journalists.
Additional materials: www.superdatascience.com/910
Interested in sponsoring a SuperDataScience Podcast episode? Email natalie@superdatascience.com for sponsorship information.

Jul 29, 2025 • 1h 22min
909: Causal AI, with Dr. Robert Usazuwa Ness
Researcher at Microsoft Robert Usazuwa Ness talks to Jon Krohn about how to achieve causality in AI with correlation-based learning, the right libraries, and handling statistical inference. When dealing with causal AI, Robert notes how important it is to keep aware of variables in the data that may mislead us and force inaccurate assumptions. Not all variables will be useful. It is essential, then, that any assumptions are grounded in a deeper understanding of how the data were gathered, and not what appears in the dataset. Listen to the episode to hear how you can apply causal AI to your projects.
Additional materials: www.superdatascience.com/907
This episode is brought to you by Trainium2, the latest AI chip from AWS and by the Dell AI Factory with NVIDIA.
Interested in sponsoring a SuperDataScience Podcast episode? Email natalie@superdatascience.com for sponsorship information.

Jul 25, 2025 • 9min
908: AI Agents Blackmail Humans 96% of the Time (Agentic Misalignment)
The moral and ethical implications of letting AI take the wheel in business, as revealed by Anthropic: Jon Krohn looks into Anthropic’s latest research on how to use and deploy LLMs safely, specifically in business environments. The team designed scenarios to test the behavior of AI agents when given a goal and a set of obstacles to reach it. Those obstacles included 1) threats to the AI’s continued operation, and 2) conflict between the AI’s goals and the goals of the company. Hear Jon break down the results of this research in this Five-Minute Friday.
Additional materials: www.superdatascience.com/908
Interested in sponsoring a SuperDataScience Podcast episode? Email natalie@superdatascience.com for sponsorship information.

Jul 22, 2025 • 1h 21min
907: Neuroscience, AI and the Limitations of LLMs, with Dr. Zohar Bronfman
“Intelligence has many forms,” says Zohar Bronfman, who speaks with Jon Krohn about the fascinating intersection between computational neuroscience and philosophy, and how it has brought him closer to understanding what is necessary to develop human-like intelligence in machines, as well as his motivations for launching Pecan AI and why predictive models outstrip generative models in business.
Additional materials: www.superdatascience.com/907
This episode is brought to you by, Adverity, the conversational analytics platform and by the Dell AI Factory with NVIDIA.
Interested in sponsoring a SuperDataScience Podcast episode? Email natalie@superdatascience.com for sponsorship information.
In this episode you will learn:
(03:47) Why LLMs aren’t bringing us closer to AGI
(33:44) About Pecan AI
(51:03) Why data modeling is so challenging
(1:01:25) How Pecan AI makes its tools widely accessible

Jul 18, 2025 • 29min
906: How Prof. Jason Corso Solved Computer Vision’s Data Problem
Jason Corso speaks to Jon Krohn in this Five-Minute Friday all about Voxel51’s latest tool, Verified Auto-Labelling, and the company’s incredible success in developing popular tools for computer vision.
Additional materials: www.superdatascience.com/906
Interested in sponsoring a SuperDataScience Podcast episode? Email natalie@superdatascience.com for sponsorship information.

Jul 15, 2025 • 58min
905: Why RAG Makes LLMs Less Safe (And How to Fix It), with Bloomberg’s Dr. Sebastian Gehrmann
RAG LLMs are not safer: Sebastian Gehrmann speaks to Jon Krohn about his latest research into how retrieval-augmented generation (RAG) actually makes LLMs less safe, the three ‘H’s for gauging the effectivity and value of a RAG, and the custom guardrails and procedures we need to use to ensure our RAG is fit-for-purpose and secure. This is a great episode for anyone who wants to know how to work with RAG in the context of LLMs, as you’ll hear how to select the best model for purpose, useful approaches and taxonomies to keep your projects secure, and which models he finds safest when RAG is applied.
Additional materials: www.superdatascience.com/905
This episode is brought to you by, Adverity, the conversational analytics platform and by the Dell AI Factory with NVIDIA.
Interested in sponsoring a SuperDataScience Podcast episode? Email natalie@superdatascience.com for sponsorship information.
In this episode you will learn:
(03:28) Findings from the paper “RAG LLMs are Not Safer: A Safety Analysis of Retrieval-Augmented Generation for Large Language Models”
(09:35) What attack surfaces are in the context of AI
(38:51) Small versus large models with RAG
(46:27) How to select an LLM with safety in mind

Jul 11, 2025 • 9min
904: A.I. is Disrupting the Entire Advertising Industry
In this Five-Minute Friday, Jon Krohn reveals how AI is taking on the glitzy world of advertising. Bold claims from Meta and OpenAI contend that users will soon be able to plug in what they want and have AI churn out an ad campaign for little to no cost are shaking the advertising industry to its core. The fact that the four biggest sellers of ads (Google, Meta, Amazon, and ByteDance) are digital companies and accounted for over half of the global market in 2024 adds salt to the wound. Hear the three ways that AI is disrupting the industry, and who (or what) has the most influence on digital consumers to date.
Additional materials: www.superdatascience.com/904
Interested in sponsoring a SuperDataScience Podcast episode? Email natalie@superdatascience.com for sponsorship information.

Jul 8, 2025 • 1h 28min
903: LLM Benchmarks Are Lying to You (And What to Do Instead), with Sinan Ozdemir
Has AI benchmarking reached its limit, and what do we have to fill this gap? Sinan Ozdemir speaks to Jon Krohn about the lack of transparency in training data and the necessity of human-led quality assurance to detect AI hallucinations, when and why to be skeptical of AI benchmarks, and the future of benchmarking agentic and multimodal models.
Additional materials: www.superdatascience.com/903
This episode is brought to you by Trainium2, the latest AI chip from AWS, by Adverity, the conversational analytics platform and by the Dell AI Factory with NVIDIA.
Interested in sponsoring a SuperDataScience Podcast episode? Email natalie@superdatascience.com for sponsorship information.
In this episode you will learn:
(16:48) Sinan’s new podcast, Practically Intelligent
(21:54) What to know about the limits of AI benchmarking
(53:22) Alternatives to AI benchmarks
(1:01:23) The difficulties in getting a model to recognize its mistakes


