
The Moral Science Podcast
A psychologist who is endlessly fascinated with human morality interviews experts who dedicate their careers to understanding it.
Latest episodes

Oct 8, 2019 • 1h 6min
Working with Kohlberg and Teaching for Excellence with Anne Colby
Dr. Anne Colby is a consulting professor at Stanford University’s Center on Adolescence. Prior to her appointment at Stanford, she directed the Henry Murray Research Center at Harvard, and was a Senior Scholar at the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching. She has authored and co-authored eleven books, including Rethinking Undergraduate Business Education: Liberal Learning for the Profession, which received the 2013 Frederic W. Ness Book Award. Dr. Colby’s research has focused on moral development, purpose, and the ways in which education can foster excellence through disciplinary practices, each of which we discuss in this episode.
Full conversation transcript available at: https://www.ambercazzell.com/post/msp-ep12-annecolby
APA citation: Cazzell, A. R. (Host). (2019, October 8). Working with Kohlberg and Teaching for Excellence with Anne Colby [Audio Podcast]. Retrieved from https://www.ambercazzell.com/post/msp-ep12-annecolby

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Oct 1, 2019 • 1h 8min
Moral Exemplars and Beyond-the-Self Purpose with William Damon
Dr. William Damon is a Professor of Education at Stanford University, where he directs the Center on Adolescence and is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. His research has received numerous grants and awards from several Foundations and trusts, including the John Templeton, Andrew Mellon, and Spencer Foundations. He has authored and co-authored fifteen books on the topics of child development, education, morality, and purpose, including Greater Expectations which received the Parent’s Choice book award. Throughout his distinguished career, he has focused on a number of topics related to moral development. In this podcast, we discuss his research with moral exemplars, his interests in the development of purpose and its effects, as well as his forthcoming book on the development of purpose in his own life.
Full transcript available at: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1sYYOgNptXnSRXeXbw9sUZb-MGt73WjeE
APA citation: Cazzell, A. R. (Host). (2019, October 1). Moral Exemplars and Beyond-the-Self Purpose with William Damon [Audio Podcast]. Retrieved from https://anchor.fm/amber-cazzell0

Sep 24, 2019 • 1h 16min
Development of Prosocial Motivations with Gustavo Carlo
Dr. Gustavo Carlo is the Millsap Endowed Professor of Diversity and Multicultural Studies in the Department of Human Development and Family Science at the University of Missouri. He is also the director and co-director of two centers there: The Center for Family Policy and Research and the Center for Children and Families Across Cultures. In 2017, he was named a University of Missouri Top Achiever and he has received numerous awards for his excellence in mentorship. Dr. Carlo’s research concerns prosocial and moral development, and how cultural variables are related to that development. In particular he’s researched positive development among Latinx youth. In this episode, we discuss different types of prosociality, and which cultural features are associated with developing different prosocial motivations.
Full Interview Transcript available at: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1xwp5gyLcbBAJqXesrB9oA3tN6QoqjuRe
APA Citation: Cazzell, A. R. (Host). (2019, September 17). Development of Prosocial Motivations with Gustavo Carlo [Audio podcast]. Retrieved from https://anchor.fm/amber-cazzell0

Sep 17, 2019 • 1h 9min
Ethical Pluralism and Multicultural Exchanges with Richard Shweder
Dr. Richard Shweder is the Harold H Swift Distinguished service professor of Human Development in the University of Chicago’s Department of Comparative Human Development. Dr. Shweder’s anthropological work has received numerous awards, including the John Simon Guggenheim Fellowship, the American Association for the Advancement Socio-Psychological Prize for his essay, “Does the Concept of the Person Vary Cross-Culturally?” and, in 2016, the Lifetime Achievement Award from the Society for Psychological Anthropology. His fieldwork in Orissa, India led to his pluralistic theory of the “big three ethics,” which influenced the later development of several psychological theories, including Moral Foundations Theory. His recent work concerns the accommodation (or lack thereof) in multicultural exchanges in Western Liberal Democracies. Today, we discuss his three ethics and the challenges of moral multicultural exchanges.
APA Citation: Cazzell, A. R. (Host). (2019, September 17). Ethical Pluralism and Multicultural Exchanges with Richard Shweder [Audio podcast]. Retrieved from https://anchor.fm/amber-cazzell0/episodes/Ethical-Pluralism-and-Multicultural-Exchanges-with-Richard-Shweder-e5ddr3

Sep 10, 2019 • 53min
Mind Perception and the Trouble with Moral Platypuses with Kurt Gray
Dr. Kurt Gray is an associate professor of Psychology at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill. There, he directs the Mind Perception and Morality Lab—a research lab dedicated to understanding who we interpret to have minds, and why it matters. Specifically, Dr. Gray and his research team examine how mind perception influences moral judgments. In this podcast, we discuss his research, his new Center for the Science of Moral Understanding which aims to reduce social and political polarization, as well as his most recent book co-edited with Jesse Graham, The Atlas of Moral Psychology.
NOTES:
3:00 - Book, Illusion of Conscious Will
8:30 - Paper, humans don't like AI making moral decisions
12:10 - Paper, the moral agency and patiency of moral exemplars
16:00 - Paper, helping veterans get hired
18:45 - Center for the Science of Moral Understanding
28:55 - Paper, meta-analysis of replicating incidental disgust
39:00 - The Atlas of Moral Psychology
41:05 - Yoel Inbar's paper, Applied Moral Psychology
51:20 - Book, The Mind Club
51:40 - Book, The Mind's I

Sep 3, 2019 • 1h 6min
The Evolved Nest with Darcia Narvaez
Dr. Darcia Narvaez is a professor of psychology at the University of Notre Dame. There, she directs the Evolved Developmental Morality Lab, where her program of research concerns how provision of physical, emotional, and social resources early in life bear upon the development of ethical behavior. This early physical and social environment, the so-called “evolved nest,” and it’s effects are the topic of our conversation today. Her recent work and book, Indigenous Sustainable Wisdom: First Nation Know-How for Global Flourishing, concerns understanding and integrating indigenous wisdom for how to live a good life. In addition to her scholarly works, Darcia also writes a popular blog for Psychology Today, called Moral Landscapes.
Notes:
7:00 - Hunter-Gatherer Childhoods book
13:30 - Chapter about the "evolved nest"
17:40 - Last Child in the Woods Richard Louv
22:00 - article and supplemental materials for assessing the evolved nest
31:20 - chapter about losing Darwin's moral sense
33:30 - Western Illusion of Human Nature book Marshall Sahlins
35:37 - Neurobiology and the Development of Human Morality
40:22 - The Continuum Concept Jean Liedoff
41:32 - https://evolvednest.org/
42:00 - Brain-based Parenting Daniel Hughes
44:00 - Attachment Parenting International, Holistic Moms Network
47:12 - Free Range Parenting Lenore Skenazy
49:30 - Moral Landscapes Psychology Today blog
52:00 - Relational developmental systems article by Willis Overton
1:00:30 - Enlightenment Now Steven Pinker

Aug 20, 2019 • 1h 15min
Fairness, Equality, and Research Framing with Mark Sheskin
Dr. Mark Sheskin is an assistant professor of social sciences at Minerva Schools at KGI and an instructor in the cognitive science department at Yale university. He’s also the co-leader of the Child Lab, where he’s working to harness the power of the internet to conduct studies with children online. In this podcast, we discuss his research focus on the origins of fairness motivations, how studies of prosociality are affected by research framing, as well as his involvements at Minerva, Yale, and the Child Lab.
Notes:
8:00 - Tinbergen's four questions
11:00 - Paper on the slow emergence of fairness behaviors
19:50 - Article--is the Marshmallow test explained by reliability of authority figures?
27:06 - Vox Marshmallow article that "tells us s'more"
32:30 - The Child Lab
36:40 - Paper about income inequality
48:30 - Kim Scott's LookIt Lab
54:00 - Paper about best practices for online studies with children
1:02:00 - Building the Intentional University book

Aug 6, 2019 • 1h 7min
Aristotelian Virtue Ethics with Blaine Fowers
Dr. Blaine Fowers is a professor at the University of Miami’s Department of Education and Psychological Studies, and is the founder of the Network for Research on Morality. His research focuses on Aristotelian Virtue Ethics and character development, with an emphasis on application of the rich theory that sets Aristotelian ethics apart from other ethical traditions. He is the author and coauthor of five books, including Frailty, Suffering, and Vice: Flourishing in the face of human limitations. In this podcast, we discuss his scholarship, as well as his purpose and plans for the Network of Research on Morality.
Notes:
10:20 - Angela Duckworth's popular book about grit
13:00 - Blaine's book, Frailty, Suffering, and Vice: Flourishing in the face of human limitations
18:50 - Paper about the four-quadrant matrix of goods
28:30 - For deeper conversation about moral realism, check out this episode of MSP
42:30 - Paper suggesting that social desirability measures are correlated with honesty-humility
51:50 - Blaine's presentation, "Science is an Inherently Moral Enterprise"
57:00 - All talks from the 2019 Network of Research on Morality Symposium

Jul 23, 2019 • 1h 5min
The Case for Moral Realism with Brent Slife
Dr. Brent Slife is an Emeritus professor of Psychology at Brigham Young University and is the Editor-in-chief of the APA’s Journal of Theoretical and Philosophical Psychology. He has been honored with numerous awards for his outstanding research and teaching career and in addition to these many achievements, he’s authored and co-authored 9 books. Today, we discuss his most recent book, co-edited with Stephen Yanchar, titled Hermeneutic Moral Realism: Theory and Practice.
Notes:
Dr. Slife's book, Hermeneutic Moral Realism in Psychology: Theory and Practice
Relationally-oriented girls' boarding school, Greenbrier Academy
Svend Brinkmann's book, Psychology as a Moral Science
Dr. Slife's Presentation, "Is Social Justice Justified?"
Alasdair MacIntyre's After Virtue & narrative work
Charles Taylor's book, Sources of the Self: The Making of the Modern Identity

Jul 9, 2019 • 1h 9min
The Making of Moral Foundations Theory with Jesse Graham
Dr. Jesse Graham is the George S Eccles chair in business ethics, and an associate professor of management at the University of Utah. He’s most known for his work with Jonathan Haidt in developing Moral Foundations Theory—a theory that basic moral foundations guide a wide-array of behaviors and ideological preferences, political ones. In this podcast, Jesse and I talk about his experience in developing the theory, what theoretical challenges it faces, and his work to apply MFT to behavioral nudging.
3:10- The Emotional Dog paper by Haidt
7:10- Joseph & Haidt 2004 paper
8:30- Paper on Libertarian foundations
10:00- Paper about criteria for foundations
13:00- Moral Foundations Questionnaire, scale development paper
14:50- Steven Pinker's New York Times Op-ed
16:00- Joshua Greene's 2001 "trolley-ology" paper
30:30- Morteza Dehghani researches use of foundation-language
34:40- Larry Nucci critiques MFT for its relativism
37:00- Martha Nussbaum's book critiquing disgust-based moral action
46:00- Example articles that call disgust "irrelevant" or suggest it taints judgments: Schnall et al., 2008; Zhong et al, 2010
CORRECTION: study of "illegitimate power distributions" was NOT based on MFT, as Amber had said.
50:00- Feinberg & Willer papers on nudging conservatives and liberals
53:30- John Jost critique of MFT legitimizing conservative foundations
55:50- Jesse's response normative MFT claims
1:00:00- Jesse's vaccine hesitancy paper