
What's This Tao All About?
A lighthearted Taoism podcast hosted by a journalist and Tao philosopher.
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Jul 17, 2025 • 0sec
Show 100 — The Unseen and Detachment
Tod and George dig deep into the writings of Derek Lin to discuss how to interact with the unseen and the power of detachment. Later, they discuss relationships and Chuang Tzu’s “Man of Character.”
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Jun 26, 2025 • 0sec
Show 99 — Faith and Chuang Tzu’s Monkeys
George and Tod contemplate the age-old debate about whether all spiritual practices lead down the same path. Later, they examine the role that faith plays in Taoism and examine the wisdom of Chuang Tzu’s monkeys.
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Jun 5, 2025 • 0sec
Show 98 — Mirror Mind and Intuitive Wisdom
Tod and George examine the mysterious concept of the “mirror mind” and how it can help you live in the present moment, and how to make decisions by getting in touch with our intuitive wisdom. Later, they dig into Chuang Tzu’s chapter on “Great and Small.”
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Apr 14, 2025 • 0sec
Show 97 — Radical Acceptance
Prompted by a passage in Derek Lin’s “Tao of Joy” book, Tod and George discuss the Taoist attitude of radically accepting the external world and ourselves. Plus, a listener asks about the difference between Taoism and Buddhism.
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Mar 24, 2025 • 0sec
Show 96 — Getting Unstuck and Chuang Tzu’s Morality
With the help of some insightful folks from Reddit, Tod and George dive into what it means to age gracefully—without getting stuck in their ways. They also explore their current challenges of cultivating the Tao and unpack the morality of Chuang Tzu through his chapter on apologies.
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Mar 3, 2025 • 0sec
Show 95 — The Tao of Play and Chuang Tzu’s ‘Good Fortune’
On this episode, Tod reviews George Thompson’s new movie “The Subtle Art of Losing Yourself.” The two also examine George’s ideas about play and Chung Tzu’s thoughts on the true meaning of having good fortune.
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Feb 10, 2025 • 0sec
Show 94 — William Martin, Author of ‘Daily Tao: 365 Meditations on the Tao Te Ching’
Tod Talks with William Martin, author of “Daily Tao: 365 Meditations on the Tao Te Ching.” We discuss his transformation from pastor to Taoist, the liberation Taoism offers from societal conditioning, and how it counters today’s constant wave of mediated information. William also reflects on learning from Alan Watts at the Esalen Institute, explores fear and safety, and explains wu-wei, the art of effortless action.
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Jan 20, 2025 • 0sec
Show 93 — Excess Baggage and the ‘Kingly Man’
Tod and George reflect on Derek Lin’s insights about the unnecessary baggage we carry through life. They also discuss Thomas Merton’s translation of Chuang-Tzu’s “Kingly Man,” and George shares practical tips on how we can all let go of our excess baggage.
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Jan 2, 2025 • 0sec
Show 92 — Praise and Action vs. Non-Action
Tod and George examine why Lao Tzu says that Tao cultivators should work without looking for praise. Later, Chuang Tzu’s Action vs. Non-Action and David Lynch teaches how to catch the big fish.
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Dec 11, 2024 • 0sec
Show 91 — Manifestation and Senselessness
Dive into the intriguing discussion of manifestation and its relationship with Taoism, exploring the fine line between belief and superstition. Discover the beauty of embracing life's mysterious nature and the freedom that curiosity brings. The hosts reflect on personal journeys inspired by mentors and the lessons nature teaches us. They humorously blend spirituality with daily mindfulness, balancing the act of doing and being. Plus, hear about George’s new film that highlights the art of losing oneself in the grand tapestry of existence.