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Jan 6, 2025 • 1h 37min
Nobody Should Believe Me w/Andrea Dunlop
In this poignant episode, Rachel is joined by Andrea Dunlop, an accomplished author and podcaster, who delves into the complex and often misunderstood topic of Munchausen by Proxy. Andrea, who has personal ties to the subject, shares her insights into the deceptive and abusive dynamics of this disorder. Her work aims to illuminate the psychological manipulation and coercion involved, drawing parallels to cult-like behaviors where individuals exert control over others to fulfill their own needs.
Through her podcast, "Nobody Should Believe Me," and the upcoming book "The Mother Next Door: Medicine, Deception, and Munchausen by Proxy," Andrea seeks to bring attention to this troubling form of abuse, offering support to survivors and families affected by it.
To learn more about Andrea Dunlop and her work, visit:
http://www.andreadunlop.net
American Professional Society on the Abuse of Children:
https://www.apsac.org
Munchausen Support:
http://www.munchausensupport.com
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Jan 1, 2025 • 1h 9min
3HO's House of Fallen Cards w/Jules Hartley (From The Archives 2020)
This episode from the archives originally aired in 2020
After four successful years of working on TV shows and films in New York City, Jules Hartley thought it would be a good idea for her to move to LA.
A couple of years into her Hollywood journey, she discovered Kundalini yoga as taught specifically by Yogi Bhajan and the Golden Bridge Yoga Studio in Hollywood. She was instantly hooked and began what turned into a seven and a half year stint as a hardcore and fanatical member of what is now The Rama Yoga Institute, 3HO, and their brand of Sikhism.
The yoga and meditation lifestyle given by Yogi Bhajan thus became her entire universe, and within a year or two, she was devoting up to 18 hours a day, to practices that Yogi Bhajan said would ultimately make her life better and get her to "ascend". Jules explains to Rachel why she ultimately ended up leaving Hollywood in 2018, very sick after her experiences, and completely broke as she had given her money over to this group. She details her experiences leaving the intense systemic control of this cultic yoga group and provides insight on her journey to recovery.
Before You Go: Rachel shares her perspective on the results of the 2020 U.S Presidential Election and provides insight into why people who have left cults were so triggered by the US president for the last 4 years and how he behaved, and were so troubled by seeing how many militant hate groups and conspiratorial groups like QAnon felt supported by him.
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Dec 25, 2024 • 1h 19min
An Abusive Relationship With God w/Dr. Laura Anderson (From The Archives)
This episode from the archives originally aired in January 2024
Dr. Laura Anderson is a therapist, trauma resolution, and recovery coach, writer, educator, and creator who specializes in complex trauma with a focus on domestic violence, sexualized violence, and religious trauma. She holds a Master’s degree in Marriage and Family Therapy and a Ph.D. in Mind-Body Medicine with her research focusing on the experience of living in a healing body after sexual trauma. Laura has a small private practice in Nashville, TN, and is the founder and director of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery, an online coaching company where she and the other practitioners work with clients who have experienced high demand/high control religions, adverse religious experiences, cults, and religious trauma. In 2019, Laura co-founded the Religious Trauma Institute with the goal of providing trauma-informed resources, consultation, and training to clinicians and other helping professionals who work with religious trauma survivors. Laura’s first book, “When Religion Hurts: Reclaiming Your Life After Religious Trauma”, is being released by Brazos Press in Fall 2023. She lives with her dog, Phoebe, in Middle Tennessee.
In this highly informative and revealing conversation. Dr. Anderson shares with Rachel her personal experience and professional insights from the specialized work she does with survivors of religious trauma. The two colleagues discuss the most effective modalities for religious trauma recovery and outline some important nuances that often get overlooked on the path to healing.
Before you go: Rachel offers some common traits to look out for in high-control religious groups to assess whether or not the leader's intentions are healthy.
You can find more about Dr. Andreson and her work at:
drlauraeanderson.com/
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Dec 18, 2024 • 17min
UNLOCKED BONUS EPISODE: Navigating Different Types Of Grief
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In this insightful episode, Rachel delves into the multifaceted nature of loss and grief, offering a deeper understanding of the various types they may encounter. Rachel discusses how former cult members often feel displaced in traditional grief support groups, as their experiences of loss are unique and complex. She aims to shed light on these different forms of grief, helping listeners identify and navigate their emotions.
Rachel's compassionate insights aim to provide clarity and validation for those grappling with complex emotions, helping them find a way forward through their unique grief journeys.
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Dec 13, 2024 • 4min
BONUS EPISODE PREVIEW: Superstition & Fear-Based Indoctrination
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In this exclusive Patreon bonus episode, Rachel delves into the intriguing world of superstitions, exploring their historical and cultural roots and their impact on human behavior. The discussion centers around the fear of Friday the 13th, a day steeped in myth and superstition, and the psychological mechanisms that perpetuate these beliefs.
The episode also explores the psychology of superstitions, including cognitive biases that lead individuals to create false correlations and the role of social conformity in maintaining these beliefs. Rachel shares personal anecdotes and cultural examples, illustrating how deeply embedded superstitions can influence behavior and decision-making.
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Dec 11, 2024 • 1h 3min
The MLM To Coaching Pipeline w/Jennifer Rajala Pt. 2
In this compelling follow-up episode, Rachel welcomes back Jennifer Rajala, a former MLM leader turned advocate, who bravely shares her journey of disentangling from the manipulative world of multilevel marketing and coaching groups.
Jennifer picks up where she left off last week and delves into the insidious overlap between MLMs and the coaching industry, revealing how individuals are often encouraged to invest in self-help and coaching as a means to succeed in MLMs, only to find themselves deeper in a cycle of dependency and financial loss.
Today, Jennifer is dedicated to educating others about the dangers of MLMs and coaching scams, working with nonprofits and schools to introduce anti-fraud curricula. Her story is a powerful testament to resilience and the importance of critical thinking, serving as a beacon of hope for those seeking to escape similar entanglements.
Listen to part 1 of this conversation here:
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Dec 4, 2024 • 1h 27min
The MLM To Coaching Pipeline w/Jennifer Rajala Pt. 1
In this eye-opening episode, Rachel speaks with Jennifer Raiala, a former state government worker who found herself ensnared in the world of multi-level marketing (MLM) with Arbonne. Jennifer shares her journey from being a child protective services investigator to becoming a leader in an MLM, only to face the harsh realities and financial burdens that followed. She recounts the emotional toll of being trapped in a system that promised financial freedom but delivered financial strain and disillusionment.
Jennifer reveals the manipulative tactics used within MLMs, including the pressure to recruit and the deceptive nature of supposed "business opportunities." She discusses her experience with coaching groups that further exploited her commitment, leading her to question her involvement and ultimately, her exit from the organization.
Now dedicated to educating others, Jennifer works with nonprofits and local school districts to introduce anti-fraud and anti-scam curricula. Her story serves as a cautionary tale and a beacon of hope for those looking to break free from similar situations.
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Nov 29, 2024 • 5min
BONUS EPISODE PREVIEW: Bridging Divides During the Holidays
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In this enlightening bonus episode, Rachel explores the complexities of engaging in conversations with individuals holding differing viewpoints, especially during the holiday season. As families and friends gather to celebrate Thanksgiving, Christmas, Hanukkah, and other festivities, Rachel addresses the challenge of cognitive dissonance—the discomfort experienced when holding conflicting beliefs or values.
Rachel discusses the impact of echo chambers, misinformation, and the effect of online disinhibition on our ability to engage in meaningful dialogue. She offers practical advice on setting boundaries, active listening, and using "I" statements to foster constructive conversations.
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Nov 27, 2024 • 1h 15min
Joseph Smith's Family Legacy w/Lyn Smith Gregory
In this captivating episode, Rachel welcomes Lynn Smith Gregory, a direct descendant of Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon Church. Raised in a devout Mormon family in Utah, Lynn shares her deeply personal journey of leaving the church at the age of 19 after uncovering unsettling truths about her family's legacy and the religion's history. Lynn recounts the immense pressure to live up to her family's revered status within the Mormon community, grappling with perfectionism and a turbulent family environment.
Now residing in Savannah, Georgia, Lynn is working on her memoir, "We Were Smiths," which explores the profound impact of leaving the Mormon Church as a Smith. She offers insights into the characteristics of cult-like control within the religion, highlighting the church's insistence on being the sole path to truth and salvation, and the challenges faced by those who choose to leave.
Learn more about Lyn and her work here:
https://www.lynsmithgregory.com/
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Nov 20, 2024 • 1h 13min
Leaving Landmark w/Erik Rojas
In this revealing episode, Rachel sits down with Erik Rojas, a former program leader and senior staff member at Landmark Worldwide, the infamous large group awareness training organization. Erik shares his journey within Landmark, detailing the intense pressures and abusive practices he witnessed and experienced.
Erik explains how his commitment and drive were exploited, leading him to work grueling hours with little pay while being subjected to physical and psychological abuse by his superiors. His story serves as a cautionary tale for those seeking transformation through large-group awareness training, highlighting the need for critical awareness and self-care.
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