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Jolie Holland is a world-renowned Los Angeles-based artist who has forged a timeless, captivating musical legacy mining the depths of her, at times harrowing, life experiences. Her fearless creative choices are rooted in honesty and presence. She is a co-founder of the musical trio The Be Good Tanyas and has been featured on Bob Dylan's "Theme Time Radio Hour" Jolie was raised as a fourth-generation Jehovah's Witness, and her music inherently carries emotional themes inextricable from her cult experience. These concepts of cult dynamics are subtly woven throughout her newly released album Haunted Mountain, including on the mesmerizing title track, a duet with Buck Meek, guitarist for the band Big Thief. In this unique and creativity-centered conversation, Jolie details how her childhood in a high-control group informed her musical output, explaining how music as a tool for communication can be a path to freedom of expression even while under the grip of authoritarian religion. Rachel and Jolie go on to discuss the lasting impacts of patriarchal ideology, explaining how its insidious nature can manifest personally and socially. Before You Go: Rachel expands on the idea that high-control groups often encourage feelings of self-loathing in their followers. She explains the devastating impacts that can result from these types of harmful teachings. Haunted Mountain is available now on all streaming platforms and on CD & vinyl at: www.joliehollandmusic.com All of Rachel's free informational PDF documents are available here: www.rachelbernsteintherapy.com/pdf.html All of Rachel's video lectures are available for purchase here: www.rachelbernsteintherapy.com/webinar.html To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctrination Connect with us on Social Media: Twitter: twitter.com/_indoctrination Facebook: www.facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast Tik Tok: www.tiktok.com/@indoctrinationpodcast Instagram: www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast/ YouTube: www.youtube.com/rachelbernsteinlmft You can always help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show

Erin Burchwell is a Columbus, Ohio-based florist, designer and illustrator. She grew up as a faculty kid on the campus of Bob Jones University, an extremely conservative Christian college known for its strict rules and controversial beliefs. In 2014, Erin interviewed with GRACE, an independent ombudsman who reviewed the University’s mishandling of sexual assault reports. She and others chose to break their anonymity in the report when the school fired the GRACE team. Erin manages her own floral business specializing in events, décor and commissioned murals. Some of her work was recently featured online by Architectural Digest this year. She has illustrated three children’s picture books about Ohio and enjoys visiting schools and teaching students about publishing. Erin’s commitments extend well beyond her business. She is a dedicated volunteer teacher and fundraiser for many organizations including nursing homes, women’s prisons, after-school programs, and children’s museums. She lives with her husband, Jason, her daughter Gracie, and two dogs, Fred and Mose. In this engaging and important conversation, Erin details her experience as a "Faculty Kid" growing up on the grounds of the notorious Bob Jones University. She explains how the patriarchal and authoritarian culture of the organization was even more intense for the children of staff members. Erin goes on to share with Rachel how her own personal experiences motivated her to participate in the third-party investigation that came to be known as the GRACE report. Before You Go: Rachel explains how the unrealistic expectations and labor exploitation of the administration became easier to recognize as harmful after it was revealed that serious abuse was regularly covered up. Follow Erin on Instagram at: https://www.instagram.com/erin_burchwell/?hl=en Follow her shop at: https://www.instagram.com/thebloomshoppe/?hl=en All of Rachel's free informational PDF documents are available here: www.rachelbernsteintherapy.com/pdf.html All of Rachel's video lectures are available for purchase here: www.rachelbernsteintherapy.com/webinar.html To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctrination Connect with us on Social Media: Twitter: twitter.com/_indoctrination Facebook: www.facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast Tik Tok: www.tiktok.com/@indoctrinationpodcast Instagram: www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast/ YouTube: www.youtube.com/rachelbernsteinlmft You can always help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show

This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive bonus episode. You can hear the episode in full at: https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination In the second part of this unique two-part bonus episode, Rachel continues to provide further insight from her years of experience as a marriage and family therapist to explain the defining characteristics of trustworthiness in a variety of relationships and social settings. She points out the often subtle and nuanced details you should look out for when assessing safe and trustworthy relationships whether it's familial, plutonic, romantic, or even in the workplace. Thanks to our Patreon supporters for making this episode possible!

Beth McNamara is a Los Angeles-based television and documentary producer with over 25 years of experience in content development and production of more than 100 hours of entertainment garnering her two Emmy Nominations. Beth co-produced the 2018 Sundance documentary feature: INVENTING TOMORROW which won multiple awards including a 2019 Peabody. Currently, Beth is the Creator and Executive Producer of the multi-season investigative podcast: MURDER AT RYAN’S RUN which does a 50-year deep dive into the Philadelphia-based group known as MOVE. The indie podcast features exclusive insider sources that expose MOVE to be a destructive and deceptive cult that controlled, abused, and terrorized them. In addition to working on a book about MOVE, Beth is also developing other stories as documentary films, podcast series, television series, and movies. In this revelatory and rare interview with journalist Beth McNamara, you'll hear Beth reveal behind-the-scenes details from her investigation into the cult dynamics of the supposed Black Liberation group MOVE. Throughout the discussion, Rachel and Beth offer their insights into the harm neglectful parents and unofficial guardians needlessly inflict on children in cultic groups. They go on to discuss how MOVE hijacked the narrative about their group and avoided any legal consequences from their child endangerment and criminal intimidation. Before You Go: Rachel breaks down the manipulation inherent in calling the child victims of the horrific MOVE bombing "Revolutionary Martyrs" You can find more info about Beth and her podcast at: https://www.murderatryansrun.com/ All of Rachel's free informational PDF documents are available here: www.rachelbernsteintherapy.com/pdf.html All of Rachel's video lectures are available for purchase here: www.rachelbernsteintherapy.com/webinar.html To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctrination Connect with us on Social Media: Twitter: twitter.com/_indoctrination Facebook: www.facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast Tik Tok: www.tiktok.com/@indoctrinationpodcast Instagram: www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast/ YouTube: www.youtube.com/rachelbernsteinlmft You can always help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show

Mike Rothschild is a journalist, researcher, expert witness, and debunker of conspiracy theories and fringe beliefs. Over the last decade, Mike has written extensively about politics, history, and pop culture. In particular, Mike is an expert on the QAnon conspiracy theory, tracing its evolution from a few 4chan posts to a massive, worldwide movement that draws on centuries of conspiracy theories and scams to induct its believers into a violent mythology. Mike is the author of the recently released book "Jewish Space Lasers: The Rothschilds and 200 Years of Conspiracy Theories,” The book debunks the myths of the Rothschild banking family He is also the author of “The Storm is Upon Us: How QAnon Became a Movement, Cult, and Conspiracy Theory of Everything,” and “The World’s Worst Conspiracies.” Mike has also written hundreds of stories for the Daily Dot, and other outlets. In addition to his work as an author, Mike has served as an expert witness in several legal cases related to conspiracy theories, has guest lectured at numerous colleges and conferences, and testified to Congress in June 2022 on the dangers of election-related disinformation. He has been interviewed by the New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC, NPR, PBS, and hundreds of other news outlets and podcasts. In this highly informative and nuanced discussion, Rachel and Mike analyze the root causes of conspiracism from the vantage point of their respective fields of expertise. Throughout the conversation, they provide insights into the isolation and insecurities that lure people into extreme beliefs and examine the sunk costs that keep them entangled in deception. Before you go: Rachel further details the intoxication of exclusive knowledge and warns of its potentially dangerous consequences. You can find more info on Mike and his work at: https://themikerothschild.com/ His latest book Jewish Space Lasers: The Rothschilds and 200 Years of Conspiracy Theories is available here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/jewish-space-lasers-the-rothschilds-and-200-years-of-conspiracy-theories-from-waterloo-to-weather-w-eapons-mike-rothschild/19567587?ean=9781685890643 All of Rachel's free informational PDF documents are available here: www.rachelbernsteintherapy.com/pdf.html All of Rachel's video lectures are available for purchase here: www.rachelbernsteintherapy.com/webinar.html To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctrination Connect with us on Social Media: Twitter: twitter.com/_indoctrination Facebook: www.facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast Tik Tok: www.tiktok.com/@indoctrinationpodcast Instagram: www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast/ YouTube: www.youtube.com/rachelbernsteinlmft You can always help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show

This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive bonus episodes. You can hear the entire episode by becoming a member at: https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination In the first half of this unique two-part bonus episode, Rachel provides insight from her years of experience as a marriage and family therapist to explain the defining characteristics of trustworthiness in a variety of relationships and social settings. She outlines the underlying concepts of relational trust explaining how surrounding yourself with trustworthy people increases your capacity for living in freedom. Rachel goes on to explain how interpersonal betrayal can scar people emotionally and potentially lead to unhealthy and long-term paranoia in relationships. Thanks to our Patreon supporters for making this episode possible!

Stephen & Celine Mather, father-and-daughter podcast team, discuss growing up in a high control group, reflecting on childhood experiences, interpreting Jesus's words, regrets, and gratitude. They also explore negative conditioning, self-identity in cults, and the journey towards freedom and uncertainty.

Today’s guests, Sarah and Jessica are longtime friends who grew up together in Canada. They are Ex-Christians who discuss their former faith one strange topic at a time on their cleverly named podcast "You Can't Get To Heaven In A Miniskirt" The stated goal of their podcast is to expose the abusive power structures and toxicity within the Christian faith and create a safe place to heal for those affected by religious trauma. Sarah and Jessica say their aim is to bridge the divide of the ever-growing chasm of religious and political ideology in North America. Now that they live on opposite sides of the country they spend most of their free time researching for the podcast in an effort to find common ground between believers and non-believers. In this cathartic and informative conversation, Sarah and Jessica detail the experiences they had in the Christian church that led them to start the podcast. Throughout the show, Rachel offers her insights on the themes Sarah and Jessica cover in their podcast including purity culture and patriarchal control. Before You Go: Rachel points out the hypocrisy of high-control Christian churches whose patriarchal teachings aim to control all aspects of women's behavior. You can listen to Rachel's appearance on You Can't Get To Heaven In A Miniskirt here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2004391/13526350 You can find more info on Sarh & Jessica's work here: https://www.heaveninaminiskirt.com/ All of Rachel's free informational PDF documents are available here: www.rachelbernsteintherapy.com/pdf.html All of Rachel's video lectures are available for purchase here: www.rachelbernsteintherapy.com/webinar.html To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctrination Connect with us on Social Media: Twitter: twitter.com/_indoctrination Facebook: www.facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast Tik Tok: www.tiktok.com/@indoctrinationpodcast Instagram: www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast/ YouTube: www.youtube.com/rachelbernsteinlmft You can always help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show

This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus Episode. You can hear the full episode at: www.patreon.com/indoctrination In this special bonus episode, Rachel shares her insights into the reasons people often seek comfort in all varieties of healers and gurus, and describes the ways in which untrustworthy practitioners in these fields manipulate their followers to benefit themselves. Thanks to our Patreon supporters for making this episode possible!

Emily Lynn Paulson is the author of Highlight Real: Finding Honesty and Recovery Beyond the Filtered Life, and Hey, Hun: Sales, Sisterhood, Supremacy, and the Other Lies Behind Multilevel Marketing. She has given two powerful TEDx talks, both challenging the status quo of parenting, alcohol use, and feminism as we know it. Paulson has also been featured in major publications such as the Today Show, New York Times, Washington Post, The Seattle Times, Chicago Tribune, Next Question with Katie Couric, and the Tamron Hall Show. She resides in Central Oregon with her husband and their five children. In this enlightening and informative conversation, Emily shares her insights on the manipulative tactics of the multi-level marketing industry from her own personal experiences and explains how sobriety helped give her the perspective needed to leave it. She points out the faux-feminist rhetoric that organizations use to prey on women's emotional and economic vulnerabilities. Throughout the conversation, Rachel and Emily point out the commonalities of MLMs and other high-control groups. Before You Go: Rachel expands on the manipulative concept of "retiring your spouse" that MLMs use to keep people trapped in the cycle of financial abuse. You can find more about Emily and her work at: https://www.emilylynnpaulson.com/ All of Rachel's free informational PDF documents are available here: www.rachelbernsteintherapy.com/pdf.html All of Rachel's video lectures are available for purchase here: www.rachelbernsteintherapy.com/webinar.html To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctrination Connect with us on Social Media: Twitter: twitter.com/_indoctrination Facebook: www.facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast Tik Tok: www.tiktok.com/@indoctrinationpodcast Instagram: www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast/ YouTube: www.youtube.com/rachelbernsteinlmft You can always help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show