Money Life with Chuck Jaffe

Dec Mullarkey, head of investment strategy and asset allocation for SLC Investments, says investors are "pretty risk-on," meaning they expect the economy is headed to an environment where rates will settle down at reasonable levels and consumers will keep spending, creating a sound environment for investors. That extends to Europe and some international markets, which will help balance a portfolio that may be impacted by a downturn late in the year, but Mullarkey says any downturn is likely to be a buying opportunity because current conditions can't keep the market down for long. That general market optimism through volatility and a correction is shared by Michele Schneider, director of trading education at MarketGauge.com, who expects heightened volatility but who sees the market likely being higher at the end of the year, with 6,000 — up about 8 percent from current levels on the Standard & Poor's 500 — being a level the market will challenge. Plus, Jonathan Smucker, portfolio manager at Marietta Investment Partners talks stocks in the Money Life Market Call.

Bob Doll, chief investment officer at Crossmark Global Investments, says that stock market valuations are extended to the point where "things need to be nearly perfect to justify those valuation levels." He is finding much better valuations internationally, noting that "Non-U.S. equity markets are cheap relative to the U.S. by an amount we have never seen before," which is why he is suggesting investors start nibbling and dollar-cost averaging into foreign markets now. Doll also reviews his annual list of 10 forecasts for the calendar year and sizes up where his forecasts stand after the mid-year point of the 2024. Doll says the economy is slowing and he expects that to show up in a market downturn before year's end. Michael Urich, chief economist at Seventh Point Analytic Consulting, discusses the latest Business Conditions Survey from the National Association for Business Economics -- released today -- which shows that a record number of respondents reported that their firms had raised prices in the last three months, but fewer respondents reported higher sales and profits, a dichotomy that suggests there might be some economic trouble ahead. Plus, Kyle Guske, analyst at New Constructs, puts a mutual fund in the Danger Zone.

Michael Green, chief strategist at Simplify Asset Management, says that the economy is showing signs of slowing in some ways, while still having some measures being strong, and a lot of it is determined by consumers where the division between the haves and have-nots are growing, and where current conditions hurt people with less money dramatically more than the wealthy. Green says people are confusing the stock market's run to record highs as strength for the economy, which he says is misplaced, but which he says has handcuffed the Federal Reserve on rate cuts because it's hard to say that moves are needed when markets are peaking. In the Talking Technicals segment, Tom Samuelson, chief investment officer at Vineyard Global Advisors, says he'll stay bullish despite expecting a 3 to 5 percent correction now and a 5 to 10 percent dip closer to the election; he's optimistic because "strength begets strength," and a strong first half of the year bodes well for gains in the second half, as does increasing breadth supporting an uptrend. Plus, Jason Akus, head of healthcare investing at abrdn — manager of the firm's four closed-end funds covering healthcare — gives his current take on the healthcare and biotech space, noting that the sectors last rallied around the vaccine makers during the pandemic but they are now showing signs of the next big rally, and Rachel Perez discusses research from Preply showing which side gigs provide the best wages and most job stability.

Peter Repetto, vice president of investment strategy at iCapital, says that while rate cuts historically are good for markets — gaining roughly 9 percent in the year after cuts start historically — they do struggle if cuts are made during times of recession or downturn. Repetto expects a soft landing and moderate downturn, which is setting up for reasonably well for "rate-cut beneficiary" businesses moving forward. Repetto notes that markets also tend to gain in the 12 months after a presidential cycle, saying they tend to gain about 15 percent on average regardless of which party wins control of the White House, which should create a good market for the market if the Federal Reserve starts cutting rates amid a mild slowdown. Ahead of the expected rate cut from the Federal Reserve that is increasingly considered likely for September, Todd Rosenbluth, head of research at VettaFi, looks to the granddaddy of actively managed bond funds for his "ETF of the Week," Mark Hamrick, senior economic analyst at BankRate.com discusses a new survey showing how Americans feel their personal finances are being influenced by the current presidential candidates, and what they expect for the future depending on who wins in November, and Chuck answers a listener's question about diversifying a portfolio and how many investments to hold.

James St. Aubin, chief investment officer at Ocean Park Asset Management, says that as long as the economy "keeps humming along" and meets high expectations for earnings growth and stable balance sheets, the current rally should keep rolling. When that trend breaks, however, the market and economy could turn quickly; St. Aubin sees "some cracks starting to form" with consumers and with some of the economic data, and while a soft landing is possible, any problems are likely to get more painful. Also on the show, Jason Chepenik of OneDigital Retirement + Wealth discusses the firm's 2024 Employee Value Perception Study, which looks at the disconnect between what employers think workers want beyond compensation, and what workers actually are looking for from their employers. Plus, Andrew Graham, founder and portfolio manager at Jackson Square Capital, gives his take on the current market in the Market Call.

Terri Spath, founder and chief investment officer at Zuma Wealth, says that the market is in the early stages of an impressive bull market, noting that the current rally is now about 20 months old and that the market has dramatic gains since hitting lows in October 2022, but she notes that the average bull market runs longer and gains more and there's still plenty of room for that. She says "We're feeling great about this market. We love it from a fundamental standpoint ... and on a technical basis because the trend continues to be up as well." While she does see the potential for a correction, she says the outlook for the rest of the year is strong. Ted Rossman, senior industry analyst at Bankrate.com discusses the site's recent study on side hustles, which found that 36% of American adults have a side hustle, with the average side hustler now making $891 per month. Plus, Chuck answers a listener's question about when to get travel insurance and when to leave home without it.

Michael Mullaney, Director of Global Markets Research at Boston Partners, says that the stock market is trading far enough above moving averages that it's due for a correction on the short term. As that pullback happens, he expects the Federal Reserve to kick in with rate cuts beginning in September, driven more by the jobs report than inflation numbers, but he notes that may not have more than a short-term stimulative effect. Mullaney says that while the broad economy may be able to put off any sort of landing until next year, the bottom quintile of consumers is already living through a recession, which is creating some of the disconnect between solid economic fundamentals but weak consumer sentimentals. Also on the show, Kyle Guske, investment analyst at New Constructs, says Targa Resources is the stock "most likely to miss earnings," which is why it's in The Danger Zone now, plus Brian Glenn, chief investment officer at Premier Path Wealth Partners discusses both ETFs and stocks in the Market Call.

Jerremy Newsome, founder of Real Life Trading, says that with the election looming after the traditional summer-fall doldrums — and having already hit his profit targets for the year — he is about to move 100 percent into cash. "I think it's too easy right now," he says. "We're too high, it's too easy, everything is going straight up ... no reason not to be all up in cash up here for me." Newsome was clear that he's selling into strength and locking in profits, because he does think the market will be going higher once there is more certainty after the election; he expects to have at least half of his money back into stocks by the end of the year. Mark Gatto, co-founder and co-chief executive officer at CION Investment Group — which runs CION Investment Corp., a business-development company — discusses the heavy interest and cash-flow into BDCs and how that is changing the space and making it important for investors and advisers to "pull back the layers to understand what they are investing in," paying particular attention to the deals and credit quality a BDC gets involved in. Plus, Christopher P. Davis of Hudson Value Partners gives his take on value investing, — which mixes in more macro factors than the traditional bottoms-up value manager — in the Money Life Market Call.

Tim Urbanowicz, head of investment strategy and research for the Innovator ETFs, says that the current bull market run has the stock market hitting new highs roughly every four days, which is fast compared even to the Internet bubble days, and while investors are nervous that things must take a turn, he points out that hitting all-time highs has never been a catalyst for a sell-off, and isn't likely to be one now. That makes it crucial for investors to manage risk and balance their fear of loss against their fear of missing out. Innovator makes products that create that balance using options strategies to define potential outcomes and to make returns more certain or that at least remove some of the market's unknowns. Todd Rosenbluth, head of research at VettaFi, uses recent political changes in England as a motivator for his pick as the "ETF of the Week," discussing the additional risks an investor takes by investing in a single-country fund. And deep-value investor Michael Campagna, senior investment analyst at Moerus Capital Management, talks in the Market Call about why this is "one of the most attractive times to find opportunities" that he has seen in the last two decades. 

Brent Schutte, chief investment strategist at Northwestern Mutual Wealth Management Co., says the economic cycle is now in its last stages, and while there may be a blow-off top before trouble is here, he expects a recession and he will not be surprised if it occurs after the Federa;l Reserve cuts interest rates. While many observers expect cuts to help markets, Schutte says that the Fed has never been able to  take an overheated economy and cool it without triggering a recession. He added that the last four recessions all occurred shortly after rate cuts. In the Market Call, Ira Rothberg, portfolio manager for the Hennessy Focus Fund, discusses buying great companies at modest discounts, with the courage to hold them for years waiting for the payoff.  Plus, Chuck answers a listener's question on deciding whether pet insurance is a good idea for a new puppy.