

This Machine Kills
This Machine Kills
A podcast about technology and political economy /// Agitprop against innovation and capital /// Hosted by Jathan Sadowski and Edward Ongweso Jr., Produced by Jereme Brown /// Hello friends and enemies
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Feb 6, 2022 • 10min
Patreon Preview – 135. TMK BC3, Ch.1, Dawn of Everything
We kick off the next installment of the TMK book club with The Dawn of Everything: A New History of Humanity, by David Graeber and David Wengrow. Join us as we dig into this massive—and massively important—new book, discussing each chapter in-depth. We start with Chapter 1: Farewell to Humanity’s Childhood — and lay out the deceptive myths, championed by pop sci hucksters, that have perpetuated wrong, dull, and dire accounts of the origins of human civilization and modern society. New episodes drop every other week on the Patreon feed.
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Hosted by Jathan Sadowski (twitter.com/jathansadowski) and Edward Ongweso Jr. (twitter.com/bigblackjacobin). Production / Music by Jereme Brown (twitter.com/braunestahl)

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Feb 1, 2022 • 1h 52min
134. Morozov Watch! (ft. Evgeny Morozov)
Well it’s finally happened. We are joined by Evgeny Morozov—preeminent critic of digital capitalism and founder of The Syllabus—for a very long conversation. Among a great many things, we discuss: the origins and purpose of The (Crypto) Syllabus platform // the political economy of knowledge creation and curation // Evgeny’s intellectual evolution // why it's not all about the bullshitters and assholes // the immanent critique of web3 // what leftists should learn from engaging with web3 // why socialists must not avoid complexity // debates over if feudalism is resurgent and capitalism is dead.
••• The Syllabus: https://www.the-syllabus.com/
••• The Crypto Syllabus: https://the-crypto-syllabus.com/
••• Evgeny on twitter: https://twitter.com/evgenymorozov
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Hosted by Jathan Sadowski (twitter.com/jathansadowski) and Edward Ongweso Jr. (twitter.com/bigblackjacobin). Production / Music by Jereme Brown (twitter.com/braunestahl)

Jan 29, 2022 • 9min
Patreon Preview – 133. Socializing Machines /// Machining Society (ft. Nick Chavez)
We pick up on part two of our discussion with Nick Chavez, focusing on the possibilities and limitations of reengineering capitalist forces of production for communist social relations. We discuss the need for epistemic luddism—or breaking the way we understand and use technologies—and why militancy at points of production is absolutely crucial. What comes first? Which one gives us the other? Radical machines or radical society? The dialectical answer is, of course, why not both!
Some stuff we reference:
••• The Present and Future of Engineers | Nick Chavez | Brooklyn Rail https://brooklynrail.org/2021/10/field-notes/THINKING-ABOUT-COMMUNISM
••• Error | Endnotes 5 https://endnotes.org.uk/file_hosting/EN5_Error.pdf
••• How to Make a Pencil | Aaron Benanav https://logicmag.io/commons/how-to-make-a-pencil/
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Hosted by Jathan Sadowski (twitter.com/jathansadowski) and Edward Ongweso Jr. (twitter.com/bigblackjacobin). Production / Music by Jereme Brown (twitter.com/braunestahl)

Jan 26, 2022 • 1h 23min
132. Automating Service /// Serving Automation (ft. Nick Chavez)
We are joined once again by Nick Chavez, a Marxist mechanical engineer, to discuss the political economy of automation – providing the groundwork for a better understanding of how automation actually operates in the market, the workplace, the interests of capital, and the lives of labor. What happens when the living are dominated by the dead? What happens when you work too much or not work enough? What happens when the bottom keeps falling out of a stagnated service economy? What happens when capital controls the forces of automation? We need only look at the world to find the answer to these questions.
Some stuff we reference:
••• The Present and Future of Engineers | Nick Chavez | Brooklyn Rail https://brooklynrail.org/2021/10/field-notes/THINKING-ABOUT-COMMUNISM
••• Smart Machines and Service Work: Automation in an Age of Stagnation | Jason E. Smith http://www.reaktionbooks.co.uk/display.asp?ISB=9781789143188
••• Automation and the Future of Work | Aaron Benanav https://www.versobooks.com/books/3717-automation-and-the-future-of-work
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Hosted by Jathan Sadowski (twitter.com/jathansadowski) and Edward Ongweso Jr. (twitter.com/bigblackjacobin). Production / Music by Jereme Brown (twitter.com/braunestahl)

Jan 23, 2022 • 10min
Patreon Preview – 131. Slow, Self, Sabotage
We talk more about (digital) sabotage, the different scales and intensities these actions can take, and the risks of inconvenience or worse, which sabotage as a form of self-sacrifice might require. We then get into the politics of the “slow computing” movement, the failings of “humane technology” philosophies, and why the tech press is a sucker for a redemption story.
Some stuff we reference:
••• Gaslighting Your Boss: Creative Experiments in Digital Sabotage | Sam Lavigne: https://pioneerworks.org/broadcast/gaslighting-your-boss
••• The Subversive Genius of Extremely Slow Email | Ian Bogost: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2022/01/slow-internet-email/621232/
••• Slow Computing: Why We Need Balanced Digital Lives | Rob Kitchin, Alistair Fraser: https://www.slowcomputingbook.com/
••• Former Google scientist says the computers that run our lives exploit us — and he has a way to stop them | https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/01/17/artificial-intelligence-ai-empathy-emotions/
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Hosted by Jathan Sadowski (twitter.com/jathansadowski) and Edward Ongweso Jr. (twitter.com/bigblackjacobin). Production / Music by Jereme Brown (twitter.com/braunestahl)

Jan 19, 2022 • 1h 12min
130. Get Your Ass to Elysium!
We dig into the different visions that tech billionaires have for space – whether it’s Elon Musk’s ambitions for lording over Mars colonies or Jeff Bezos’s schemes to monopolize logistics for orbital settlements. At the end of the day, we can see the same imperialist imperative inherent to capitalism expressing itself through the search for a new frontier, the final frontier to conquer: space.
The essay we discuss:
••• Dawn of the Space Lords | Corey Pein | The Baffler https://thebaffler.com/salvos/dawn-of-the-space-lords-pein
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Hosted by Jathan Sadowski (twitter.com/jathansadowski) and Edward Ongweso Jr. (twitter.com/bigblackjacobin). Production / Music by Jereme Brown (twitter.com/braunestahl)

Jan 17, 2022 • 9min
Patreon Preview – 129. Ecological Leninism, Technological Luddism
We discuss recent work Andreas Malm – Marxist historian, ecologists, and radical climate activist – as analysed through a large synthetic review essay by Adam Tooze. We get into capitalism’s climate catastrophe, the politics and praxis of direct action, the ahistorical positions and principles of large liberal climate change activism movements, and the urgent need for moral arguments backed up by material actions. It’s how to blow up a pipeline meets how to sabotage a factory line.
Some stuff we reference:
••• Ecological Leninism | Adam Tooze https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v43/n22/adam-tooze/ecological-leninism
••• Andreas Malm and ecological Leninism | Adam Tooze https://adamtooze.substack.com/p/chartbook-50-andreas-malm-and-ecological
••• This Nonviolent Stuff′ll Get You Killed: How Guns Made the Civil Rights Movement Possible | Charles E. Cobb Jr. https://www.dukeupress.edu/this-nonviolent-stuffll-get-you-killed
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Hosted by Jathan Sadowski (twitter.com/jathansadowski) and Edward Ongweso Jr. (twitter.com/bigblackjacobin). Production / Music by Jereme Brown (twitter.com/braunestahl)

Jan 12, 2022 • 1h 14min
128. – The Year of Magical Thinking (ft. Wendy Liu)
Kicking off the new year, we are joined by returning champion Wendy Liu – author of Abolish Silicon Valley – to look back on all the very dumb things the tech sector has forced us take seriously in 2021. We talk about how free flowing capital has both created and accelerated a world built on sand. Where all the vaporware, bullshit, and grifts of things like NFTs, DAOs, and web3 seemingly come from nowhere and become all we can talk about. We wrap up with our hopes that 2022 will be a year that proves one thing: the luddites were right.
• Follow Wendy: twitter.com/dellsystem/
• Buy her very good book: repeaterbooks.com/product/abolish-silicon-valley-how-to-liberate-technology-from-capitalism/
Some stuff we discuss:
••• My first impressions of web3 | Moxie Marlinspike https://moxie.org/2022/01/07/web3-first-impressions.html
••• Cryptocurrency Investors Try to Turn Private Islands Into Blockchain Utopias | Ed Ongweso Jr. https://www.vice.com/en/article/z3n38x/cryptocurrency-investors-try-to-turn-private-islands-into-blockchain-utopias
Subscribe to hear more analysis and commentary in our premium episodes every week! patreon.com/thismachinekills
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Hosted by Jathan Sadowski (twitter.com/jathansadowski) and Edward Ongweso Jr. (twitter.com/bigblackjacobin). Production / Music by Jereme Brown (twitter.com/braunestahl)

Jan 5, 2022 • 1h 25min
*Unlocked* – Rolling-Out Aadhaar
We're back next week with fresh episodes! Until then, here's part 2 of our in-depth discussion on Aadhaar.
We pick up with part two of our deep dive into Aadhaar, looking at the social issues, political implications, and street-level implementation. Building on the work of Ranjit Singh and Steven Jackson, we first lay out an analysis of what it means to “see like an infrastructure.” Then we dwell on the problems, errors, and glitches involved in making Aadhaar actually work. And what that means for different people who are classified as “high-resolution” or “low-resolution” data subjects.
Some stuff we discuss:
••• Seeing Like an Infrastructure: Low-resolution Citizens and the Aadhaar Identification Project | Ranjit Singh and Steven Jackson https://secureservercdn.net/166.62.108.22/163.112.myftpupload.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/SLAI_RSSJ.pdf
••• A New AI Lexicon: Resolution | Ranjit Singh https://medium.com/a-new-ai-lexicon/a-new-ai-lexicon-resolution-8f3430654ee4
••• From Margins to Seams: Imbrication, Inclusion, and Torque in the Aadhaar Identification Project | Ranjit Singh and Steven Jackson https://secureservercdn.net/166.62.108.22/163.112.myftpupload.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/From_Margins_to_Seams_RSSJ.pdf
••• Biometric Marginality: UID and the Shaping of Homeless Identities in the City | Ursula Rao https://www.jstor.org/stable/23391467
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Hosted by Jathan Sadowski (twitter.com/jathansadowski) and Edward Ongweso Jr. (twitter.com/bigblackjacobin). Production / Music by Jereme Brown (twitter.com/braunestahl)

Dec 30, 2021 • 1h 38min
*Unlocked* – Khan Thought Redux
We're taking a break from recording for the holidays. Enjoy this unlocked Patreon episode.
As the Federal Trade Commission files suit to block the merger between Nvidia and Arm, we take the opportunity to revisit the excellent and necessary work of the FTC’s Chair, Lina Khan. We discuss a recent profile of Khan in the New Yorker. Then dig deeper into a very long, very important paper by Khan making the legal case for reviving the antitrust doctrine of structural separation and applying it to break up platform giants like Amazon, Alphabet, and Facebook.
Some stuff we reference
••• The Separation of Platforms and Commerce | Lina Khan https://columbialawreview.org/content/the-separation-of-platforms-and-commerce/
••• Lina Khan’s Battle to Rein in Big Tech | Sheelah Kolhatkar https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/12/06/lina-khans-battle-to-rein-in-big-tech
••• Lina Khan Cashes in Her Chips | David Dayen https://prospect.org/economy/lina-khan-cashes-in-her-chips/
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Hosted by Jathan Sadowski (twitter.com/jathansadowski) and Edward Ongweso Jr. (twitter.com/bigblackjacobin). Production / Music by Jereme Brown (twitter.com/braunestahl)