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The New Churches podcast offers practical answers to your real ministry questions. We aren’t going to provide lofty pie-in-the-sky theories. Instead, we are going to help you in your real ministry context, with your real thoughts, questions, and issues.
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Jun 21, 2022 • 27min
Minoring on the Majors
Episode 676: The ministry demands of church planting can weigh heavily on a pastor, with the result that he finds himself “minoring on the majors.” Clint Clifton discusses with Adam Muhtaseb and Nathan Knight the challenge of properly allocating time and energy to ministry priorities that put a church plant on the strongest foundation possible.
In This Episode, You’ll Discover:
Ways planters often misallocate their time when beginning the church planting journey
The importance of equipping over “doing”
Why it’s critical to give more than lip service to prayer
The top priorities a church planter should focus on
How a church planter’s role shifts over time from missionary work to shepherding
Helpful Resources:
Free ebook: Building Your Core Team: Models and Best Practices
Free ebook: Church Planting Thresholds: A Gospel Center Church Planting Guide
Interested in learning more? Check out our Church Planting Primer
Are you ready to enroll in our Church Planting Masterclass?
Please subscribe to the podcast and leave a rating and review on iTunes.
Sharable Quotes (#NewChurches):
One of the advantages – and maybe even a disadvantage – of being a church planter having the opportunity to shape your own schedule and priorities. Any time I’m frustrated, I only have myself to blame. @ClintJClifton
Taking on outside ministry opportunities sucks your energy away from the the work God has called you to in the first three years. You should be laser-focused on multiplying and equipping leaders the first two years. @Adam_Muhtaseb
Planters plan too much and pray too little. Planters plan too much and pray too little. More time should be spent hearing from Christ before they plan him out of stuff. @NathanKnightDC
You should not be doing. You should be training other people to do so you can multiply and scale the ministry. @Adam_Muhtaseb
I’m not a great preacher and I’m comfortable with that. When I recognized there was a more fruitful preacher in our congregation, I quickly put him in that seat. @ClintJClifton
If you want to be a pastor, you should definitely be a pastor. Just do it at an existing church. But if you want to plant church, you need to be catalytic, a missionary. @Adam_Muhtaseb
Sometimes giving up on church planting has to do with a misallocation of energies and attention in the church planting journey. @ClintJClifton
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Jun 16, 2022 • 23min
Your Church Can Plant
Episode 675: Trevin Wax and Clint Clifton review our new (free) Church Planting Masterclass, which offers 80 powerful videos intended to be used in two different ways: (1) If you’re an aspiring planter or a church planter yourself and (2) to be tools you can use to equip other leaders in your church.
In This Episode, You’ll Discover:
Insights from three Church Planting Masterclass sample clips:
Matt Chandler on being a missionary in your city
David Platt on involving your family in in ministry
Heather Thompson on becoming a better communicator
Helpful Resources:
Are you ready to enroll in our Church Planting Masterclass?
Interested in learning more? Check out our Church Planting Primer
Please subscribe to the podcast and leave a rating and review on iTunes.
Sharable Quotes (#NewChurches):
You really do have to think like a missionary. We expect missionaries who go to other parts of the world to examine the culture that they’re going to reach. And yet for some reason when we think about North America we don’t we don’t prioritize exegeting the culture as much. @TrevinWax
It’s not just that there are differences in cultures; it’s that our cultures are always changing. So even information about your city 20 years ago might not be relevant now. @ClintJClifton
There’s this popular idea of balancing family and ministry. We even have the phrase “Don’t sacrifice your family on the altar of ministry.” But I think sometimes we’re in danger of sacrificing our ministry on the altar of family. It actually goes both ways. They are your ministry and they’re your co-laborers in ministry. @ClintJClifton
It’s not sacrificing your family for ministry; your family is your ministry. You minister to your family and then you minister alongside your family. @TrevinWax
I love the idea that we’re not just bringing a person to a message; we’re wanting the message to get to a person. And it’s not the communicator that matters most; it’s what’s being communicated. @TrevinWax
When people come to church, they really want to hear what God says. The Bible is the best thing your church has going for you. You have something no one else has: the very Word of God. How could we not want to be the very best most effective communicators possible? @TrevinWax
What I’ve heard for years about Jonathan Edwards is that he was so clear in his message and so vivid in his articulation, but so monotone in his delivery. Yet he’s one of the most powerful preachers we could ever consider. @ClintJClifton
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Jun 14, 2022 • 26min
Your Church Can Send
Episode 674: Churches with a desire to multiply will greatly benefit from the expertise of pastors experienced in developing and sending out planters. In this episode, Trevin Wax and Clint Clifton introduce the first part of our new Sending Church Masterclass, which is designed specifically for churches that want to multiply. This free course showcases practical advice from planting practitioners and well-respected leaders across the spectrum of evangelicalism.
In This Episode, You’ll Discover:
Insights from three Sending Church Masterclass sample clips:
Jimmy Scroggins on the “ready leader”
D.A. Horton on the qualities of fruitful church planters
Craig Springer on the role of community in spiritual development
Helpful Resources:
Are you ready to enroll in our Sending Church Masterclass?
Interested in learning more? Check out our Church Planting Primer
Tim Chester’s book: A Meal with Jesus: Discovering Grace, Community, and Mission around the Table
Please subscribe to the podcast and leave a rating and review on iTunes.
Sharable Quotes (#NewChurches):
I’m close enough to church multiplication to know how difficult it is. In the beginning I wondered whether there really are any masters in church planting. But as I’ve watched this come together, I’ve learned so much and thought, “Man, these really are masters in their craft.” @ClintJClifton
Yes, masters, but they don’t come across in a pretentious way. You can tell they are continuing to learn and grow. There’s also a built-in aspect of contextualization. It’s not a one-size-fits-all kind of course. @TrevinWax
As diverse as this group of people is philosophically, the whole course presents really practical ideas. This is designed to be a tool, if you’d like to lead your church to multiply, you could use this as a part of your equipping for that. @ClintJClifton
A lot of people want to plant churches, but they don’t make the connection that you won’t ever become effective at planting churches if you don’t become effective at developing leaders. That’s a fundamental skill for every every church multiplier. @ClintJClifton
I’ve been hearing more and more about inviting people to the table of fellowship, that sharing meals together and listening in community shows that the spiritual journey starts with community from the beginning. @TrevinWax
The great missionary theologian Lesslie Newbigin always said the church is the hermeneutic of the gospel, the church is to make the gospel visible to people. There’s true evangelistic power in being invited into the community of the cross to witness what the life of Jesus looks like fleshed out.
People who don’t feel they’re that equipped for evangelism should recognize that spiritual conversations play a part in someone’s spiritual journey, moving them toward faith, even though they might not have been the one to cross the threshold of faith with them. @TrevinWax
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Jun 9, 2022 • 23min
Church Planting Dealbreakers
Episode 673: When the preparedness of a prospective church planter is being assessed, different evaluators may come to different conclusions. Clint Clifton, Nathan Knight and Adam Muhtaseb, however, discuss several traits that should be automatic dealbreakers for an aspiring planter’s approval.
In This Episode, You’ll Discover:
Whether a church planter could potentially not meet the scriptural qualifications for a pastor
The relative value of competence and character in the assessment process
The necessity of having a Sending Church behind a planter
How much and what kind of debt an aspiring church planter should have
Whether a planter’s primary goal should be multiplication or founding a biblical church
Helpful Resources:
Interested in learning more? Check out our Church Planting Primer
Are you ready to enroll in our Church Planting Masterclass?
Please subscribe to the podcast and leave a rating and review on iTunes.
Sharable Quotes (#NewChurches):
As we think about this in the assessment process, sometimes there’s an ultra-focus on competence and virtually none on character. @ClintJClifton
Paul says he came “in weakness and trembling,” so he didn’t have much competence, but he had a lot of character. We need more of that. @Adam_Muhtaseb
If no church is sending you – if you are sending yourself – that should be a dealbreaker. If you’re part of a bad church, you need to align yourself with a good one. @ClintJClifton
If you’re not meaningfully involved in a local church, I see all kinds of red flags. @NathanKnightDC
One church planter had $300,000 of student debt. We ran a credit check and it came back good because he paid his bills. I had to say, “I just don’t think I can see you going out and raising funds for this new church, knowing that so much of that’s going to to your student debt.” @ClintJClifton
If a guy wants to plant and his wife’s not on board, it’s game over game over and not even a question. I wouldn’t join a church that my wife didn’t want to join. Just let it go and let God in His timing send you out when you’re ready and she’s ready. @Adam_Muhtaseb
I would just want to be clear that you’re doing this because of your devotion and affection for Christ, not because you like planting churches and want to multiply and have an influence. @NathanKnightDC
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May 17, 2022 • 16min
Our Most Discouraging Moments
Episode 668: The past couple of years have been a difficult season for church planters and too many have thrown in the towel. Host Clint Clifton and veteran church planter Peyton Jones open up about their most discouraging moments in church planting and why they persevered.
In This Episode, You’ll Discover:
Spurgeon’s perspective on quitting
The encouraging word that kept Peyton Jones going
Whether feeling discouraged is normal
How church planting is like marriage
How God uses even the darkest despair
Helpful Resources:
Book: Church Plantology: The Art and Science of Planting Churches
App: Through the Word
Interested in learning more? Check out our Church Planting Primer
Are you ready to enroll in our Church Planting Masterclass?
Please subscribe to the podcast and leave a rating and review on iTunes.
Sharable Quotes (#NewChurches):
Charles Spurgeon was once asked by a student, “Did you ever think of quitting?” And he answered, “Yes, about once a fortnight.” — PeytonJones
In my first year of one plant, I drove to church on Sunday morning and there were hardly any cars in the parking lot. But there was this lady named Pam who said, “But Jesus is here,” and it gave me what I needed to keep going. — PeytonJones
I remember this Sunday where nobody showed up to help me unload the trailer. I set everything up and greeted people. I was so sweaty I had to change my clothes. I sang the songs, said the prayers, preached the sermon and greeted people as they left. Then I packed up the trailer. I told my wife, “I’ll never drive back in this parking lot again.” @ClintJClifton
I think a lot of planters may feel condemned by feeling discouraged. But that is normal. It comes with it. — PeytonJones
Every marriage goes through rough times. You’re going to have some real pain and at times you’re going to see things in yourself you don’t want to see. But you tough it out. — PeytonJones
In those moments, it feels so terminal. But it’s against that dark backdrop that the light of the gospel shines brightest. God shows He can redeem even the darkest despair. He can still use our lives for His glory, even when we are a mess. @ClintJClifton
If you are a church planter in that season, I want you to know there is only one thing you can do to ensure you won’t fail as a church planter and that’s to not give up. Trust in Jesus, put one foot in front of the other each day. Down the road, you’ll be grateful you did. @ClintJClifton
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Apr 26, 2022 • 28min
Building A Church Planting Family
Episode 661: When the Lord casts a vision of planting a network of multiplying churches, the planter finds himself sorting through all sorts of unexpected developments. Host Clint Clifton discusses some of the unique aspects of building a church planting “family” with Colby Garman, teaching ministries elder at Pillar Church in Dumfries, Virginia, and Keith Wieser, who leads Resonate Church in Pullman, Washington, and the Resonate collegiate church planting network.
In This Episode, You’ll Discover:
Some of the challenges of creating continuity among network churches, while still allowing them to express their uniqueness
The trick of changing the scale of disciple-making to actually creating church planters
Ideas for structuring the network organization and making decisions as a group
The degree to which network churches should reflect franchise branding
The challenge of dealing with the subtraction aspect of multiplication
The importance of changing your mindset from linear to non-linear growth
Helpful Resources:
Interested in learning more? Check out our Church Planting Primer
Are you ready to enroll in our Church Planting Masterclass?
Please subscribe to the podcast and leave a rating and review on iTunes.
Sharable Quotes (#NewChurches):
A lot of our motivation to keep the churches connected was we wanted people to have some continuity of experience in a military lifestyle where they experienced very low continuity. @ColbyGarman
Our process was going back and saying, “How do we get to having someone go out and plant the church?” and trying to reverse engineer that. @KeithWieser
How do you create something where the process of building disciples, you just change the scale to create a church planter? @KeithWieser
Our goal from the beginning was a network of generations of disciples. So they are connected to that individual who discipled them. Their planting church is really connected through that discipleship chain. @KeithWieser
From the beginning, we we decided we were just naturally organic. We wanted the commonality to be created by being trained within our churches. @ColbyGarman
The relationships are the glue that holds our network together. The reason we want to keep in this network is because we love one another. @ClintJClifton
The way we gather and discipleship-oriented structures are very similar. There are some things that are non-negotiables. @KeithWieser
We want to help military families feel like they’re walking into the same family, like going to a cousin’s house. You’re in the same family but there’s a lot of differences. @ColbyGarman
One of the most challenging things for us is being able to say what is the actual process versus the product and are we unified around the product? @KeithWieser
I went to a project and it wasn’t the way I would do it. Someone discovered something so much better and I’ve got to figure out how to help them to see the end and not do it like I would do it. @KeithWieser
Do I pursue you the path to multiplication or do I pursue the path to growth? @ClintJClifton
Multiplication looks like subtraction at the very beginning, and that’s the hard thing to be able to help people press through. @KeithWieser
The math doesn’t lie, and this is the math Jesus used from the very beginning. @KeithWieser
If you keep leaders to yourself, they sort of spoil. Whereas if you send them away, they prosper. God develops them in an incredible way that He wouldn’t have if they just stayed as a leader all the time. @ClintJClifton
There’s moments where you’re not even sure if this is going to work out, and then you see them get put into that crucible and that crucible does more for them than I could have ever done. @KeithWieser
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Apr 21, 2022 • 23min
Organizing Your Week
Episode 660: Pastors and church planters feel the pinch of not having enough time. Host Clint Clifton discusses the value of – and techniques for – organizing your week with Todd Adkins, director of leadership development at LifeWay Christian Resources in Nashville, and Jessica Thompson, director of operations for the New City church planting network.
In This Episode, You’ll Discover:
The difference between delegation and leadership development
Why it’s important to set aside less time for doing and more for developing
The value of bringing alongside ministry partners who excel in areas where you’re weak
How task prioritization may be more important than time management
What the stickiness of your plant depends on
How prioritizing tasks is like a game of Whac-A-Mole
Helpful Resources:
Free podcasts:
Building a Team from Scratch
Discovering Pastoral Potential
Multiplying Church Leaders
Free ebook: Building Your Core Team
Interested in learning more? Check out our Church Planting Primer
Are you ready to enroll in our Church Planting Masterclass?
Please subscribe to the podcast and leave a rating and review on iTunes.
Sharable Quotes (#NewChurches):
This is a subject that touches everybody but pastors and church planters particularly are feeling the pinch of not enough time. @ClintJClifton
It’s getting harder and harder for pastors of new churches to have enough money to take care of their family, meet their obligations and survive in the cities God’s called them to reach. @ClintJClifton
Virtually every pastor I know who’s working in an urban context has some sort of other means of of income. The the days of studying your sermon for 35 or 40 hours are long gone. @ClintJClifton
Americans have been very very affluent, which means churches have been able to buy leaders instead of building leaders. @ToddAdkins
You have a wonderful opportunity as a church plant to start from scratch. But whatever you add, you must be able to staff well, either with paid staff, volunteers or leaders. @ToddAdkins
You have to become not a master doer and not a master delegator. It is about leadership development, about developing people. @ToddAdkins
Delegation is a lie. That is not leadership. Development is a higher form. It’s not just choosing the person and the position and practicing leadership placement. @ToddAdkins
You’re probably spending way too much time doing versus developing. The most practical thing you can do is set aside less time for doing and more time for developing. @ToddAdkins
It’s difficult because church planters are required to be so many things. They have to develop people. They have to teach. They have to lead. They have to be administrative and organized. To ask all that from just one person is hard. – Jessica Thompson
You need to know what God has called you to and where you are gifted and ask who you can bring alongside who excels in the areas where you’re weak. – Jessica Thompson
You need to be disciplined enough to know what you have time for. What five things do I need to accomplish this week?Don’t let other people’s needs and demands move you from what you feel God has on your plate to do this week. – Jessica Thompson
It comes down not so much to time management but really prioritization. @ClintJClifton
What are the things that only you can do? That’s the category where you need to be doing and developing. @ClintJClifton
For a church planter who hasn’t launched yet, the absolute most important thing you can be doing is developing people. When you hit the launch phase, you’re going to need all those people, and the stickiness of your plant depends on the people, not the programming. @ToddAdkins
Build your team with people who are willing to step out in faith and cast your vision, being able to communicate clearly what God has called your church to do, because that’s going to draw people to the Lord. – Jessica Thompson
Church planting feels a lot like Whac-A-Mole. There’s a lot of things going on on a lot of different fronts and you can get into this pattern of frenzy and feverishness. The truth is, if I’m trying to hit every head that pops up, I’m going to miss some important ones. @ClintJClifton
When you’re starting a new church, you don’t realize how your involvement in something prohibits other people from jumping into that.If I’m doing something poorly or halfway, I indicate to somebody else that they’re not welcome in that space to make it great. @ClintJClifton
Sometimes the really important things feel very overwhelming and you put them off. My encouragement is to try to do first that thing you don’t want to do or that feels hard or heavy. Do it early in the week. Do it soon. – Jessica Thompson
There is a sense in which, when you’re first starting a church, you can’t avoid being the generalist. But as time progresses, you can move to being really focused on the things you’re most gifted to do. @ClintJClifton
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Apr 19, 2022 • 28min
Naming Your New Church
Episode 659: Choosing a church name is like picking an outfit you’re going to wear for the rest of your life. Host Clint Clifton discusses the pro and con arguments for six categories of church names with Todd Adkins, director of leadership development at LifeWay Christian Resources in Nashville, and Jessica Thompson, director of operations for the New City church planting network.
In This Episode, You’ll Discover:
Six categories of names for new churches
Pro and con arguments for each category
Advice about gauging your target audience’s reaction to a proposed name
Helpful Resources:
Free ebook: Church Planting Thresholds
Interested in learning more? Check out our Church Planting Primer
Are you ready to enroll in our Church Planting Masterclass?
Please subscribe to the podcast and leave a rating and review on iTunes.
Sharable Quotes (#NewChurches):
You should probably go wherever you’re going to plant the church and talk to a couple of people, introduce the name to them and see what they think. What you think is awesome, they may have some reason why it’s not. @ToddAdkins
People try to be so creative in coming up with the church name and often the names are just too creative. So we try to encourage balance between uniqueness and clarity. – Jessica Thompson
Before you get too far down the line, find out whether your web domain is available. @ToddAdkins
The name of the church is going to determine if somebody is likely to visit, based on the impression they get from the name. @ClintJClifton
If it is a fairly common name for a church, you need to check to see if there’s already a church there with that name. @ClintJClifton
Church plants move around so much these days and most don’t settle in the place where they get started. @ClintJClifton
Being too specific in terms of a Scripture verse could limit non-Christians understanding it. – Jessica Thompson
You can Google it and what comes up in your search is pivotal. – Jessica Thompson
I like telling a story with your name and using a descriptive word. – Jessica Thompson
A denominational name is safe, but you also limit yourself. Know your audience and what you’re looking for. – Jessica Thompson
I don’t want to confuse the name of the church with something that is going to be announced on the radio as “This Sunday at the Carson Fairgrounds.” I don’t know whether it’s going to be Bigfoot and Gravedigger or a solid worship experience and fun for your children. @ToddAdkins
I’d probably choose something kind of classic, like some nice blue jeans that can fit in multiple contexts and I’m going to feel comfortable in. @ClintJClifton
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Apr 14, 2022 • 24min
Leveraging Your Limitations
Episode 658: Each individual planter and every church context has a unique set of limitations and constraints. Host Clint Clifton discusses how those limitations can become strengths with Jessica Thompson, director of operations for the New City church planting network, and Colby Garman, teaching pastor at Pillar Church in Dumfries, Virginia.
In This Episode, You’ll Discover:
Each individual and every church context has a unique set of limitations and constraints
How God sovereignly uses those limitations to help us realize He is God and we are not
That individuals experience both categories and seasons of limitations
Why your limitations can be the very thing God uses to use you in a really significant way
How transience in the military community turned out to be a “cheat code” for Pillar Church and the Praetorian Project
The importance of finding joy in weakness and limitation
That a limitation also often has a strength associated with it
The values in “only being a small church” with limited financial resources
Helpful Resources:
Interested in learning more? Check out our Church Planting Primer
Are you ready to enroll in our Church Planting Masterclass?
Article: 3 Great Side Hustles for Church Planters
Please subscribe to the podcast and leave a rating and review on iTunes.
Sharable Quotes (#NewChurches):
All of us are limited in significant ways that sometimes we’re aware of, sometimes we’re not. Every church context also has a set of limitations and constraints that make it unique. @ColbyGarman
Limitations are part of what God has sovereignly placed in us, put us in, as a way of realizing he is God and we’re not. @ColbyGarman
Perspective changes everything. Your limitations might be the very thing God uses to incredibly use you in a really significant way. @ClintJClifton
Your perspective on limitation is how you view it and what you tell yourself is possible. Challenge yourself to not see your limitations as weaknesses, but as an opportunity for God to be magnified. – Jessica Thompson
The Scripture teaches us that God’s strength is made perfect in our weakness. God actually is going to use our limitations more than He’s going to use our strength and our competency. @ClintJClifton
Our church and the Praetorian Project embraced the transience of the military community and saw movement as the method God is using to get people ready. It’s a lot easier to redirect a moving vehicle, than to jumpstart one. @ColbyGarman
Imagine trying to convince people in your church to move to another city to start a new church. What we did was put them in a spot where they were already going. The whole limitation just went away and became an advantage. @ColbyGarman
It has everything to do with looking at the situation differently than everyone else is. @ClintJClifton
I have a very lopsided gifting. I’m a one-trick pony: My trick is entrepreneurship or starting things. It wasn’t until I actually started to embrace that part of myself that I was able to make sense of what I am and how God made me and what I’m supposed to do with my life. @ClintJClifton
Clint described me as seasonal. I get on a campaign and I do a lot, then my energy is drained and I have to just wait for it to come back. @ColbyGarman
As a kid, I never knew what I wanted to be when I grew up, but I learned through taking StrengthsFinder that one of my top strengths is adaptability. I always felt weak in being able to have goals and dreams and thoughts. The other side of it makes me adaptable and able to go with change well. – Jessica Thompson
The size of church plants can seem to come up as a limitation. But there’s many things you can do at a small church that you can’t at a megachurch. – Jessica Thompson
In a smaller church, if you want to just go, “I want to work substantively to think about discipleship one to one or two to two,” you can go do that. To change that in a large church, it’s disruptive. The larger church gets, the more disruptive your change gets. @ColbyGarman
Twenty years ago, when we got in ministry, everybody was making things bigger and bigger. We were imitating the megachurch. When I’m with megachurch pastors, they’re talking about how to get smaller, not how to get bigger. @ClintJClifton
One other limiting factor is finances. Perhaps you’re in a community where there’s a lot of economic difficulties, or perhaps you’re just a broke church planter and and your ministry doesn’t have two pennies to rub together. That can be an advantage. @ClintJClifton
Jefferson Hernandez in Loudoun County, Virginia, found a way to make his side hustle missiologically advantageous. @ClintJClifton
It ends up inspiring other people, which becomes an advantage. Other people look at it and go, “Well, what’s my excuse? I don’t have an excuse. Look at Jefferson.” @ColbyGarman
In our early days, it pushed us to do things in a way that was reproducible. Substantive church is not that expensive. Reproducibility happens when we realize we don’t need resources, we need to develop people. @ColbyGarman
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Apr 12, 2022 • 28min
Sabbaticals for Church Planting Pastors
Episode 657: As pastoral work has in recent years grown more difficult, sabbaticals seem to be a growing trend. Host Clint Clifton discusses the need for, value of and different approaches to sabbaticals with Jessica Thompson, director of operations for the New City church planting network, and Colby Garman, teaching pastor at Pillar Church in Dumfries, Virginia.
In This Episode, You’ll Discover:
Different reasons for needing to take a sabbatical
Various goals for and approaches to engaging in a sabbatical
How a sabbatical changes a pastor’s perspective upon returning to ministry
The role sabbatical plays in modeling healthy rest for a congregation
Ways taking a sabbatical can help other staff members
Helpful Resources:
Podcast: Symptoms of burnout
Interested in learning more? Check out our Church Planting Primer
Are you ready to enroll in our Church Planting Masterclass?
Please subscribe to the podcast and leave a rating and review on iTunes.
Sharable Quotes (#NewChurches):
It feels like sabbaticals are a growing trend. To me, it seems to correspond with the growing difficulty of pastoral work, the rate in which people are falling out of pastoral work. @ClintJClifton
For whatever reason, a lot of people are looking around at pastors, pastoral ministry, and going, “There’s a lot of wreckage, and are there any ways we can somehow stem the tide of that wreckage?” @Colby Garman
I think, society, as a whole, is placing more emphasis on mental health. How are you doing emotionally, mentally? And recognizing that is important. – Jessica Thompson
Maybe a generation or two before us, or maybe even me, earlier in my pastoral ministry career, viewed things pretty two-dimensionally. Now, I think I recognize there’s a lot more to people than meets the eye. @ClintJClifton
There’s been a lot of criticism for how millennials think about work. We grow up with a mindset that we’re laborers almost first and foremost. What can we accomplish, and what can we get out? Some people are looking around, going, “I don’t think that’s having great results.” @Colby Garman
Everybody does sabbaticals differently. A lot of times Sabbaticals result from signs of burnout. Some are policy driven. In our case, we thought, “This is a way to be a blessing, something proactive that we think might rejuvenate him and his family.” @ClintJClifton
I think there’s a reluctance on a pastor’s part to take sabbaticals. They think, “Well, I shouldn’t need it. Burning out for Jesus. Who’s got time for a sabbatical?” Then, if they took it, they didn’t feel like they were truly gone. – Jessica Thompson
One of the things I learned was that I was more tired than I thought I was. It took some time to recognize that. @Colby Garman
Some things can’t be renewed without taking time to think about them, to process them. The space and time for reflection helped me look at some things I wanted to strengthen that I didn’t even realize I needed to. @Colby Garman
Often, when I’m thinking about somebody going away on sabbatical, I’m thinking, “There’s a good chance they’re going to come back with a fresh perspective, or a fresh energy, for the work that’s going to be really beneficial to the organization long-term.” @ClintJClifton
I’ve seen people come back with a fresh perspective. It’s also a great time for a reset. It gave a chance to not fall back into the same patterns you had before. – Jessica Thompson
It’s a complicated thing, coming back, because that time, whatever shaping takes place, it’s going on outside the system. I’m thinking, “What should be different?” That means some shifting. @Colby Garman
We also see that some people just don’t come back. They might for a short amount of time, but they realize they don’t want to go back and do what they did before. It has a lot to do with where somebody’s at when they go on sabbatical. @Colby Garman
When a sabbatical is needed, one of the signs you will see is a general sense of apathy or irritability. Everything is frustrating. You’re not really a joy to be around. – Jessica Thompson
I’ve seen pastors who have a sense of guilt in leaving to take their Sabbatical. “I get this break, and the people doing ministry and church work around me don’t.” – Jessica Thompson
The burden of leadership and exercising your gifts and responsibilities wears you out. @Colby Garman
I heard Sean Sears say one time, “The best way to get refreshed is to get really tired doing something else.” @ClintJClifton
If you are weary before a sabbatical, there’s a thought that the sabbatical’s going to fix that. Some people don’t need a sabbatical. They need to learn how to have good rest rhythms in the flow of life and time. @Colby Garman
In saying, “I need it,” you are modeling, for your congregation and your leaders, how important rest is. – Jessica Thompson
It’s an act of rebellion for us to think things always depend on us and to work ourselves into the ground. That level of hard work doesn’t serve our congregations. @Colby Garman
If you’re considering asking for a sabbatical, you should commit to pray consistently for that before you ever broach the subject with a leader in your church. There’s a lot of landmines around that. @ClintJClifton
I would encourage you to be in close enough community with some other leaders in your church that they recognize those things about you early on. @ClintJClifton
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