

On the Journey
The Coming Home Network: A Network of Catholic Converts
Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley, former Pentecostal pastor Kenny Burchard, and former Wesleyan Matt Swaim all came from very different theological backgrounds, but they all ended up finding a home in the Catholic Church. Each week, they take a look at a major issue or question they faced along the way, and share the series of events and discoveries that led them to embrace the Catholic faith.
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Apr 28, 2021 • 48min
On the Journey with Matt and Ken, Ep. 47: Christian Authority - The Value of Tradition
Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley continue their discussion of how they wrestled with the question of Christian authority on their way into the Catholic Church.
In this episode, Matt and Ken look at the necessity of tradition when it comes to the interpretation of Scripture.
All Christians look to some kind of tradition when they approach the Bible, even if it's just their own personal set of experiences and priorities.
But if we want to access the tradition that best interprets the Scriptures, we should look to the early Church, those generations converted by the apostles themselves and entrusted with guarding and passing on that proper interpretation.
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Apr 21, 2021 • 45min
On the Journey with Matt and Ken, Ep. 46: Christian Authority - What is Tradition?
Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley continue to look at the question of Christian authority, and the role it played in their own journeys to the Catholic faith.
This time around, they look at the way that the Catholic Church understands the role of Sacred Tradition. What is it? How is it different than the "traditions of men" that Scripture condemns? What the very existence of Sacred Scripture itself tell us about the need for Sacred Tradition?
Matt and Ken discuss some of the ways they came to understand what the Catholic Church teaches about the role of tradition in understanding Christian authority.
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Apr 15, 2021 • 46min
On the Journey with Matt and Ken, Ep. 45: Christian Authority - What Is It?
Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley begin a new series on the question of Christian authority, and the role it played in their own journeys to the Catholic faith.
In this episode, Matt and Ken look at the classical twofold understanding of how God reveals Himself to us: through creation in General Revelation, and more directly through Divine Revelation.
And while Protestants and Catholics differ greatly on how to guard and interpret that knowledge of God, there are some surprising commonalities when it comes to what Christians of all backgrounds believe about the basic foundations of authority.
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Mar 31, 2021 • 46min
On the Journey with Matt and Ken, Ep. 44: The Real Presence – Answering Objections
Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley conclude their discussion of how they came to believe Catholic teaching on the Real Presence of Jesus in the Holy Eucharist.
Matt and Ken take into account some of the main objections that they themselves had to this "hard teaching" of Jesus, and look at the consensus of Scripture and the early Church that helped lay those objections to rest for them.
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Mar 17, 2021 • 43min
On the Journey with Matt and Ken, Ep. 43: The Real Presence - Eucharistic Typology
Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley continue their discussion of how they came to believe in the Catholic teaching of the Real Presence of Jesus in the Holy Eucharist.
In this episode, Ken looks at how the whole picture of the Eucharist began to come together for him as he pondered the weight of what he was finding in the Old Testament, the teachings of Jesus and St. Paul, and the witness of the early Church. It wasn't one single argument that convinced Ken or Matt in regard to the Eucharist; it was the accumulation of evidences that led them over time to embrace the faith of the Church on this issue.
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Mar 10, 2021 • 47min
On the Journey with Matt and Ken, Ep. 42: The Eucharist as Real Presence
Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley continue their discussion of how they came to believe in the Catholic teaching of the Real Presence of Jesus in the Holy Eucharist.
Taking into account a broad survey of Scripture and the early Church Fathers, Matt and Ken look at the numerous points of evidence in early Christianity that the first followers of Jesus clearly believed that in the Holy Eucharist, Christ is really and truly present in more than a merely symbolic way. They share what they themselves used to believe about Communion in this regard, and some of the thought processes that led them each to accept the early Christian understanding of the Eucharist.
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Mar 3, 2021 • 43min
On the Journey with Matt and Ken, Ep. 41: The Real Presence - The Eucharist as Sacrifice
Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley continue their discussion of how they came to believe in the Catholic teaching of the Real Presence of Jesus in the Holy Eucharist.
Matt and Ken explore the idea of the Eucharist as memorial sacrifice. In their Evangelical Christian backgrounds, both of them would have observed the Lord's Supper with reverence, but the idea of talking about it as a sacrifice would have been utterly foreign to them.
They dig into Scripture and the writings of the early Church fathers to look at how they referred to the observance of the Lord's Supper using overtly sacrificial language.
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Feb 24, 2021 • 42min
On the Journey with Matt and Ken, Ep. 40: The Real Presence – The New Bread of the Presence
Matt and Ken dive deep into the mystery of the 'Bread of the Presence,' exploring its significance in both ancient Israel and the Last Supper. They discuss how the Old Testament foreshadows the New Covenant, revealing layers of meaning in Scripture. The talk transitions to the transformation of identity from ancient Israel to spiritual Israel, emphasizing faith over lineage. Additionally, they delve into the concept of transubstantiation and how it shapes modern Christian understanding of the Eucharist, wrapped in humor and personal insights.

Feb 17, 2021 • 44min
On the Journey with Matt and Ken, Ep. 39: The Real Presence – The New Manna
Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley and former Evangelical musician Matt Swaim continue their discussion of how they came to believe Catholic teaching on the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist.
This time around, they look at the typology of the manna in the desert that God provided to the Israelites, and look at the ways it's referred to in the New Testament, especially by Jesus, who referred to Himself as the new bread that has come down from heaven.
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Feb 10, 2021 • 41min
On the Journey with Matt and Ken, Ep. 38: The Real Presence – The New Passover
Delve into the transformative journey of understanding the Eucharist from a Baptist perspective to Catholic insight. The discussion intricately connects the Exodus and Passover to Jesus' Last Supper, highlighting themes of sacrifice and salvation. Historical writings from the Church Fathers illuminate these concepts, enriching the conversation. Listeners are invited to reflect on the sacrificial nature of the Eucharist and its significant role in faith and community, while exploring its deep cultural connections.


