The Tim & April Show

The New Evangelicals
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Nov 18, 2025 • 2h 1min

64. MAGA Pastors have the WORST arguments for Christian Nationalism

In this episode, Tim Whitaker and April Ajoy respond to a discussion among four megachurch pastors about Christian nationalism. They explore the definitions, misconceptions, and historical context of Christian nationalism, emphasizing its implications for American politics and society. The hosts critique the pastors' views, highlighting the dangers of conflating Christianity with American identity and the historical injustices perpetuated by this ideology. Chapters 01:43 Introducing the Pastors and Their Backgrounds 05:01 Diving into the Discussion on Christian Nationalism 08:11 Historical Context and Misconceptions 17:40 Addressing the Nuances of Christian Nationalism 28:56 Concluding Thoughts and Next Steps 38:29 Culture Wars and Morality 43:34 Christian Influence in Public Policy 48:19 Different Factions of Christian Nationalism 01:06:05 Empathy vs. Dogma 01:20:29 Legal and Moral Implications in Society 01:24:28 Christian Nationalism and Founding Documents 01:53:20 Concluding Thoughts and Future Plans ____________________________________________________ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Nov 14, 2025 • 1h 32min

63. Explosive Epstein Emails, Democrats Cave, and SCOTUS Upholds Gay Marriage

In this episode, Tim Whitaker and April Ajoy discuss a range of pressing political issues, including the implications of recent Supreme Court rulings on marriage equality, the ongoing threat of Christian nationalism, and the fallout from the government shutdown. They delve into the release of thousands of emails related to Jeffrey Epstein, exploring the connections between Epstein and Donald Trump, as well as the broader implications for American politics. Chapters 05:40 The Relentless Pursuit of Christian Nationalism 11:38 The Complexity of Political Compromise 22:07 The Role of Democrats in Stopping MAGA 38:07 Trump's History with Women and Epstein 43:09 Unveiling Epstein's Connections 55:19 The Politics of Transparency 01:10:27 MAGA's Internal Conflicts ____________________________________________________ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Nov 11, 2025 • 1h 34min

62. The MAGA Civil War Over Nick Fuentes

In this episode, Tim Whitaker and April Ajoy delve into the troubling rise of right-wing extremism, focusing on figures like Nick Fuentes and the implications of their ideologies. They discuss the normalization of Holocaust denial, misogyny, and the platforming of extremist views by mainstream media figures like Tucker Carlson. Chapters 04:50 The Rise of Nick Fuentes 14:43 Tucker Carlson's Platforming of Extremism 24:47 Misogyny and Relationships 34:27 Conclusion and Call to Action 52:34 The Rise of Christian Zionism 01:08:47 The Heritage Foundation's Stance on Anti-Semitism 01:18:57 The Conflict of Christian Nationalism and True Faith ____________________________________________________ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Nov 7, 2025 • 1h 37min

61. Blue Wave Sends Message to Trump: Americans Don't Like Being Dumped on

*Since recording - Kevin Roberts apologized in a staff meeting for his remarks Read about it below* https://thehill.com/policy/5592407-heritage-foundation-carlson-controversy/ In this episode, Tim Whitaker and April Ajoy celebrate a 'blue wave' of Democratic wins, including Zohran Mamdani's New York City mayoral victory. They introduce Maurice Mitchell, National Director for the Working Families Party, who discusses the party's successful strategies and focus on affordability and working-class issues. Maurice's About Page | Workingfamilies.org/about-maurice-mitchell Chapters 04:03 Celebrating the Blue Wave 07:12 Show Introduction and Background 15:03 Hope and Future Work 22:28 Promoting The New Evangelicals 51:11 Islamophobic Tweet Discussion 52:15 Trump's Great Gatsby Party 55:29 Hypocrisy in Evangelical Circles 01:03:37 Interview with Maurice Mitchell ____________________________________________________ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Nov 4, 2025 • 1h 14min

60. Can America Avoid a Christian Nationalist Takeover

In today's episode, Tim Whitaker and April Ajoy delve into the early warning signs of fascism, focusing on the concept of nationalism. They discusses how nationalism manifests as a strong identification with one's own nation, often at the expense of others, and draws parallels to contemporary political slogans like 'America First.' Chapters 05:42 The Disparity in Perspectives on Current Events 17:51 The Shallow Theology of White Evangelicalism 29:28 The Journey of Deconstruction and Its Implications 37:08 The War Against Deconstruction: Understanding the Backlash 44:15 The Role of the Military: Supremacy and Control 51:37 Religion and Government: The Intertwined Relationship 01:01:12 Crime and Punishment: The Narrative of Fear ____________________________________________________ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Oct 31, 2025 • 1h 27min

59. The Christian Nationalist Value of Starving Families

Discover the implications of SNAP benefits running out amidst a government shutdown as the hosts explore conflicting narratives and the realities faced by families. They debunk myths surrounding SNAP recipients and reveal how cuts ripple through the economy, affecting everything from healthcare to retail. The discussion dives into the hypocrisy of political messaging, the roots of wealth inequality, and the urgent need for community support. Reflecting on evangelical connections to political movements, they also analyze shifting sentiments among evangelicals towards MAGA.
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Oct 28, 2025 • 1h 27min

58. Here's How Christian Nationalism Leads to Defending Slavery

In today's episode, Tim Whitaker and April Ajoy delve into the controversial topic of slavery as discussed in the Bible, particularly focusing on the arguments made by Joshua Haymes. They explore the implications of these arguments within the context of evangelicalism and Christian nationalism, highlighting the contradictions and moral dilemmas that arise from a literal interpretation of scripture. Chapters 05:47 The Role of Historical Context in Biblical Interpretation 11:29 The Debate on Moral Foundations and Slavery 17:17 The Intersection of Christianity and Social Justice 26:11 The Future of Evangelicalism and Its Ideologies 43:58 Interpreting Scripture in Context 58:59 Slavery and Biblical Justifications 01:19:27 Concluding Thoughts on Human Dignity ____________________________________________________ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Oct 24, 2025 • 1h 43min

57. Conservative Christians Love Trump's Sh*t

In today's episode, Tim Whitaker and April Ajoy discuss various topics including the No Kings protest, and the implications of Christian nationalism in modern politics. They reflect on the hypocrisy within political rhetoric, particularly in relation to Donald Trump and the GOP's response to extremism. Chapters 05:34 The No Kings Protest: A Personal Experience 08:44 The Dichotomy of Christian Nationalism and Love 14:49 The Hypocrisy of Political Rhetoric 20:43 The Role of Funding in Protests and Political Narratives 31:25 The Myth of Kingship and Christian Nationalism 41:22 Authoritarianism and Trump's Actions 50:17 Data-Driven Insights on Christian Nationalism 01:02:21 Misunderstanding the Gospel and Faith 01:13:40 The GOP's Extremism and the Rise of Neo-Nazism ____________________________________________________ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Oct 21, 2025 • 46min

56. This is christian A.I. video is BIZARRE

In today's episode, Tim and April engage in a lighthearted discussion that transitions into a critique of an AI-generated animated short film about the Rapture. They explore the absurdities of the film, the cultural implications of Rapture narratives, and the reactions to a new horror film titled 'The Carpenter's Son' featuring Nicolas Cage. Chapters 02:49 Reacting to AI Animated Short Film 08:19 Discussion on Rapture Media 13:14 The Carpenter's Son Trailer Reaction 18:40 Weird Christian Products and Commentary ____________________________________________________ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals Tim on Instagram | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@Timwhitakerspeaks⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ April on Instagram | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@Aprilajoy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Oct 17, 2025 • 1h 1min

55. Timeline Cleanse: Hopeful Stories and Good People Standing Up to Harm

In today's episode, Tim and April delve into topics of faith, politics, and culture. This episode discusses the power of community action in resisting authoritarian practices, highlighting a viral incident in Chicago where community members intervened in an ICE operation. The episode aims to encourage listeners by showcasing positive community efforts and the importance of standing up for justice. ____________________________________________________ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals Tim on Instagram | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@Timwhitakerspeaks⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ April on Instagram | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@Aprilajoy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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