The Tim & April Show

The New Evangelicals
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Dec 9, 2025 • 1h 23min

69. MAGA Pastors Have MORE Bad Takes to Share on Christian Nationalism

In this episode of The Tim and April Show, Tim Whitaker and April Ajoy discuss the complexities of Christian nationalism, exploring its implications on faith, politics, and culture. They discuss the concept of being 'exiles in Babylon,' the responsibility of Christians to engage politically, and the dangers of Christian supremacy. Chapters 10:11 The Role of Christians in Politics 19:47 The Misinterpretation of Jesus' Teachings 38:23 The Disconnect in Legal Matters 44:10 Power Dynamics in Religious Interpretation 49:16 Christianity's Political Influence 01:04:50 The Flaws in Biblical Inerrancy 01:16:19 Using the Bible for Liberation vs. Oppression ____________________________________________________ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Dec 5, 2025 • 1h 41min

68. MAGA Christians Are Victims for a Bad Grade but Are Cool With Blowing Up Boats

In this episode of The Tim and April Show, Tim Whitaker and April Ajoy discuss a controversial incident involving a college student who received a zero on her essay about gender roles, which she attributed to her Christian beliefs. The conversation explores the implications of her claims, the responses from the academic community, and the media's role in shaping the narrative around Christian nationalism and perceived persecution. Chapters 04:51 The Controversial Essay Incident 17:09 Responses from the TA and Professor 30:45 The Persecution Narrative 38:37 Concluding Thoughts on the Incident 56:53 Victimhood and Persecution in Contemporary Discourse 01:02:10 Institutional Responses to Controversial Issues 01:14:27 The Broader Implications of Christian Nationalism 01:25:55 The Need for Critical Engagement in Political Conversations ____________________________________________________ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Nov 27, 2025 • 32min

67. A Quick Thank You From Us

In this special Thanksgiving episode of The Tim and April Show, Tim Whitaker and April Ajoy discuss the origins and development of their podcast, reflect on the challenges and rewards of the past year, and express their gratitude to their audience. They touch on the difficulties of navigating family dynamics during the holidays, especially when political and social views clash, and they offer advice on setting healthy boundaries. Chapters 01:11 Reflecting on the Show's Journey 09:37 Gratitude and Personal Reflections 15:55 Planning the Live Show in Chattanooga 24:25 Gratitude and Future Plans ____________________________________________________ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Nov 26, 2025 • 1h 19min

66. We're Gobbling Up that Mamdani & Trump Meeting

Join Tim Whitaker and April Ajoy for a special Friendsgiving episode. This episode features a lively Q&A session, discussions on the complexities of Christian nationalism, and reflections on personal spirituality. ____________________________________________________ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Nov 21, 2025 • 1h 36min

65. Plot Twist: Christian Persecution from the Trump Administration?

In this episode, Tim Whitaker and April Ajoy delve into the complexities of Christian nationalism, the political landscape, and the implications of recent events surrounding ICE and the Epstein files. They emphasize the importance of centering survivors' voices, critique the hypocrisy within the Christian nationalist movement, and highlight community efforts to resist oppression. Chapters 11:43 Political Landscape and Economic Discontent 17:29 ICE and Christian Persecution 35:04 Community Resistance and Faith in Action 45:16 Trump Signs Epstein Bill: A Controversial Announcement 54:52 Mike Johnson's Role and Reactions 01:09:43 Megyn Kelly's Controversial Comments on Pedophilia 01:27:51 Weird Christian Beliefs: A Lighthearted Conclusion ____________________________________________________ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Nov 18, 2025 • 2h 1min

64. MAGA Pastors have the WORST arguments for Christian Nationalism

In this episode, Tim Whitaker and April Ajoy respond to a discussion among four megachurch pastors about Christian nationalism. They explore the definitions, misconceptions, and historical context of Christian nationalism, emphasizing its implications for American politics and society. The hosts critique the pastors' views, highlighting the dangers of conflating Christianity with American identity and the historical injustices perpetuated by this ideology. Chapters 01:43 Introducing the Pastors and Their Backgrounds 05:01 Diving into the Discussion on Christian Nationalism 08:11 Historical Context and Misconceptions 17:40 Addressing the Nuances of Christian Nationalism 28:56 Concluding Thoughts and Next Steps 38:29 Culture Wars and Morality 43:34 Christian Influence in Public Policy 48:19 Different Factions of Christian Nationalism 01:06:05 Empathy vs. Dogma 01:20:29 Legal and Moral Implications in Society 01:24:28 Christian Nationalism and Founding Documents 01:53:20 Concluding Thoughts and Future Plans ____________________________________________________ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Nov 14, 2025 • 1h 32min

63. Explosive Epstein Emails, Democrats Cave, and SCOTUS Upholds Gay Marriage

In this episode, Tim Whitaker and April Ajoy discuss a range of pressing political issues, including the implications of recent Supreme Court rulings on marriage equality, the ongoing threat of Christian nationalism, and the fallout from the government shutdown. They delve into the release of thousands of emails related to Jeffrey Epstein, exploring the connections between Epstein and Donald Trump, as well as the broader implications for American politics. Chapters 05:40 The Relentless Pursuit of Christian Nationalism 11:38 The Complexity of Political Compromise 22:07 The Role of Democrats in Stopping MAGA 38:07 Trump's History with Women and Epstein 43:09 Unveiling Epstein's Connections 55:19 The Politics of Transparency 01:10:27 MAGA's Internal Conflicts ____________________________________________________ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Nov 11, 2025 • 1h 34min

62. The MAGA Civil War Over Nick Fuentes

In this episode, Tim Whitaker and April Ajoy delve into the troubling rise of right-wing extremism, focusing on figures like Nick Fuentes and the implications of their ideologies. They discuss the normalization of Holocaust denial, misogyny, and the platforming of extremist views by mainstream media figures like Tucker Carlson. Chapters 04:50 The Rise of Nick Fuentes 14:43 Tucker Carlson's Platforming of Extremism 24:47 Misogyny and Relationships 34:27 Conclusion and Call to Action 52:34 The Rise of Christian Zionism 01:08:47 The Heritage Foundation's Stance on Anti-Semitism 01:18:57 The Conflict of Christian Nationalism and True Faith ____________________________________________________ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Nov 7, 2025 • 1h 37min

61. Blue Wave Sends Message to Trump: Americans Don't Like Being Dumped on

*Since recording - Kevin Roberts apologized in a staff meeting for his remarks Read about it below* https://thehill.com/policy/5592407-heritage-foundation-carlson-controversy/ In this episode, Tim Whitaker and April Ajoy celebrate a 'blue wave' of Democratic wins, including Zohran Mamdani's New York City mayoral victory. They introduce Maurice Mitchell, National Director for the Working Families Party, who discusses the party's successful strategies and focus on affordability and working-class issues. Maurice's About Page | Workingfamilies.org/about-maurice-mitchell Chapters 04:03 Celebrating the Blue Wave 07:12 Show Introduction and Background 15:03 Hope and Future Work 22:28 Promoting The New Evangelicals 51:11 Islamophobic Tweet Discussion 52:15 Trump's Great Gatsby Party 55:29 Hypocrisy in Evangelical Circles 01:03:37 Interview with Maurice Mitchell ____________________________________________________ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Nov 4, 2025 • 1h 14min

60. Can America Avoid a Christian Nationalist Takeover

In today's episode, Tim Whitaker and April Ajoy delve into the early warning signs of fascism, focusing on the concept of nationalism. They discusses how nationalism manifests as a strong identification with one's own nation, often at the expense of others, and draws parallels to contemporary political slogans like 'America First.' Chapters 05:42 The Disparity in Perspectives on Current Events 17:51 The Shallow Theology of White Evangelicalism 29:28 The Journey of Deconstruction and Its Implications 37:08 The War Against Deconstruction: Understanding the Backlash 44:15 The Role of the Military: Supremacy and Control 51:37 Religion and Government: The Intertwined Relationship 01:01:12 Crime and Punishment: The Narrative of Fear ____________________________________________________ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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