

PRETEND
Creative Babble, LLC
PRETEND is an investigative true crime podcast about real people who lie for a living — con artists, scammers, and the victims caught in their web.
Hosted by journalist Javier Leiva, PRETEND exposes the human psychology behind deception and fraud. Each episode follows a real case of manipulation — from financial scams and Ponzi schemes to digital hoaxes and emotional cons.
PRETEND explains how and why deception works without shaming victims, combining ethical journalism with cinematic storytelling.
Featured in lists of the best podcasts about con artists and scams, PRETEND investigates crimes of persuasion, trust, and betrayal. New episodes drop regularly with stories that reveal how manipulation shapes modern life, both online and off.
PRETEND is produced by Creative Babble, LLC.
© 2025 Creative Babble LLC
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Hosted by journalist Javier Leiva, PRETEND exposes the human psychology behind deception and fraud. Each episode follows a real case of manipulation — from financial scams and Ponzi schemes to digital hoaxes and emotional cons.
PRETEND explains how and why deception works without shaming victims, combining ethical journalism with cinematic storytelling.
Featured in lists of the best podcasts about con artists and scams, PRETEND investigates crimes of persuasion, trust, and betrayal. New episodes drop regularly with stories that reveal how manipulation shapes modern life, both online and off.
PRETEND is produced by Creative Babble, LLC.
© 2025 Creative Babble LLC
[CLAIM:B6BT3XC4]
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Jul 5, 2022 • 51min
S1101: The Real Catch Me If You Can part 1
This might be my favorite PRETEND series of all time. Remember the movie Catch Me If You Can? Most people believe the film is based on a true story. But, did you know it's mostly made up? I spent the last few weeks and months pouring over court records, police reports, and other documents to prove that Frank Abagnale faked his entire life story. It turns out that the real story behind Catch Me If You Can is actually a lot more fascinating than the one you thought you knew._______Fact-checking for this episode by Kate Gallagher.Special thanks to Alan Logan, author of The Greatest Hoax on Earth: Catching Truth, While We CanLearn more: https://www.amazon.com/dp/173619741X/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_5EAWP7S0XC5J1WJQF2D5_______Jordan HarbingerSearch for The Jordan Harbinger Show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jul 4, 2022 • 2min
Trailer: The Real Catch Me If You Can
What if I told you that 90% of Frank Abagnale's claims are totally made up? Yeah, that's right. The most extraordinary con man in the world never actually did the crimes he claims he did.In the new season of PRETEND, host Javier Leiva debunks Frank Abagnale’s claims one by one, not with opinions but with court and prison records. This series also gives voice to new victim testimonies. In the end, Leiva travels to Las Vegas to confront Abagnale about his lies. This is the real-life Catch Me If You Can.
Listen to part 1 now on Apple Podcast and Spotify.
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Jun 21, 2022 • 34min
S1004: The Man Who Wears Many Hats part 2
Fred Brito posed as a priest in order to hide from law enforcement. Find out how he ALMOST got away with it.__________Follow PRETEND on TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter.__________True Crime Podcast Festival 2022 in Dallas, TXWe’re excited to announce that Criminal Conduct is going to be attending the True Crime Podcast Festival on August 26-28th in Dallas, Texas. The Festival is specially designed around your desire to mingle, interact, and have casual conversations with the podcasters you listen to regularly. There will also be panel discussions and live episodes you can’t hear anywhere else!Go to the website Truecrimepodcastfestival.com to find information on tickets and the hotel. Prices do go up the closer we get to the event so you won’t want to wait. I’ll see you at the True Crime Podcast Festival!__________Listen to a preview for the Stolen Lives Podcast at the end of the episode: Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jun 7, 2022 • 31min
S1003: The Man Who Wears Many Hats part 1
Fred Brito worked as a psychiatrist, priest, and a Red Cross fundraiser—but it was all based on lies.______________Follow PRETEND on TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter.______________True Crime Podcast Festival 2022 in Dallas, TXWe’re excited to announce that Criminal Conduct is going to be attending the True Crime Podcast Festival on August 26-28th in Dallas, Texas. The Festival is specially designed around your desire to mingle, interact, and have casual conversations with the podcasters you listen to regularly. There will also be panel discussions and live episodes you can’t hear anywhere else!Go to the website Truecrimepodcastfestival.com to find information on tickets and the hotel. Prices do go up the closer we get to the event so you won’t want to wait. I’ll see you at the True Crime Podcast Festival! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

May 24, 2022 • 35min
S1002: The Sperm Donor
David Berry took an at-home DNA test and discovered dozens of half-siblings. Was this a coincidence or the scheme of one sperm donor?______________True Crime Podcast Festival 2022 in Dallas, TXWe’re excited to announce that Criminal Conduct is going to be attending the True Crime Podcast Festival on August 26-28th in Dallas, Texas. The Festival is specially designed around your desire to mingle, interact, and have casual conversations with the podcasters you listen to regularly. There will also be panel discussions and live episodes you can’t hear anywhere else!Go to the website Truecrimepodcastfestival.com to find information on tickets and the hotel. Prices do go up the closer we get to the event so you won’t want to wait. I’ll see you at the True Crime Podcast Festival! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

May 10, 2022 • 44min
S1001: The Dadbot
Does death start when your heart stops beating? What if technology can extend our lives and gives us immortality? Today's episode is about one son who turned his dying father into a chatbot.Here After AIhttps://www.hereafter.ai/Replikahttps://replika.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Apr 19, 2022 • 20min
S908: The Deepfake
Today, we're talking about deepfakes.Deepfakes are video or audio of a person in which their face, body, and/or voice has been digitally altered so that they appear to be someone else. And we're not just talking about some harmless Snapchat filters. This tech can start wars and destroy lives. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Apr 5, 2022 • 30min
S907: The Forensic Musicologist
Luxxury rips apart your favorite songs. Check out his TikTok feed for more videos on interpolation.https://www.tiktok.com/@luxxuryxx/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mar 22, 2022 • 45min
PRETEND's 100th Episode
Lauren Passell, the founder of Tink Media, interviews Javier in celebration of PRETEND's 100th episode.Subscribe to Lauren's incredible podcast newsletter:https://podcastthenewsletter.substack.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mar 8, 2022 • 32min
Javier Interviews a Serial Killer — Criminal Conduct Season 3
In Season 2 of PRETEND, I covered the story of a serial killer who murdered at least five American ex-pats. Three years after the story aired, I received a message from a listener who said she could put me in touch with the killer.I decided to turn my interviews with Wild Bill into an entire season of CRIMINAL CONDUCT.Listen to part 1 of Criminal Conduct season 3 then subscribe to listen to the rest:https://linktr.ee/criminalconduct Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices


