

PRETEND
Creative Babble, LLC
PRETEND is an investigative true crime podcast about real people who lie for a living — con artists, scammers, and the victims caught in their web.
Hosted by journalist Javier Leiva, PRETEND exposes the human psychology behind deception and fraud. Each episode follows a real case of manipulation — from financial scams and Ponzi schemes to digital hoaxes and emotional cons.
PRETEND explains how and why deception works without shaming victims, combining ethical journalism with cinematic storytelling.
Featured in lists of the best podcasts about con artists and scams, PRETEND investigates crimes of persuasion, trust, and betrayal. New episodes drop regularly with stories that reveal how manipulation shapes modern life, both online and off.
PRETEND is produced by Creative Babble, LLC.
© 2025 Creative Babble LLC
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Hosted by journalist Javier Leiva, PRETEND exposes the human psychology behind deception and fraud. Each episode follows a real case of manipulation — from financial scams and Ponzi schemes to digital hoaxes and emotional cons.
PRETEND explains how and why deception works without shaming victims, combining ethical journalism with cinematic storytelling.
Featured in lists of the best podcasts about con artists and scams, PRETEND investigates crimes of persuasion, trust, and betrayal. New episodes drop regularly with stories that reveal how manipulation shapes modern life, both online and off.
PRETEND is produced by Creative Babble, LLC.
© 2025 Creative Babble LLC
[CLAIM:B6BT3XC4]
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Feb 20, 2024 • 23min
1606: The Grave Detector (Junk Science Bonus)
Think all forensic evidence is foolproof? You'd be surprised. In our latest bonus episode of PRETEND, we're taking a deep dive into the murky world of forensic science with M. Chris Fabricant from the Innocence Project. We're talking about how some methods, like bite mark analysis and cadaver dogs, might not be as reliable as you’d think. It's a thought-provoking look at the challenges of separating solid science from shaky beliefs in our legal system. Junk Science and the American Criminal Justice System by M. Chris Fabricant: https://www.amazon.com/Science-American-Criminal-Justice-System/dp/1636140300 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Feb 15, 2024 • 9min
1605: The Stalker - Case Closed
Breaking News on the Stalker case. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Feb 13, 2024 • 39min
1604: The Grave Detector part 3
Dr. Arpad Vass touts his Quantum Oscillator, a contraption made of plywood and PVC pipe, as a revolutionary tool capable of locating missing persons' remains with 92% accuracy from up to 60 miles away, using just DNA from fingernail clippings. In a desperate attempt to solve the cold case of Brandy Hall, a Florida firefighter gone missing, Hall's family turned to Dr. Vass and his device. Guided by the oscillator's dubious promise, they believed Brandy could be buried in a specific wooded area. In a fit of hope and despair, Brandy's mother resorted to using a makeshift shovel to dig for her daughter, embodying the heart-wrenching grip of grief and the seductive, yet misleading, appeal of pseudoscience. Ultimately, the search yielded nothing but a painful journey back to square one.In today's episode, we discuss the science behind the Quantum Oscillator. Watch the video of Dr. Vass and the Quantum Oscillator:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3DTrzYM-8N/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@pretendpod/video/7332889990084578590?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=7267660576023873067 YouTube: https://youtube.com/shorts/ub2kdJZ0JNQ?feature=share Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Feb 6, 2024 • 34min
1603: The Grave Detector part 2
In today’s episode of Pretend, we're zeroing in on Dr. Arpad Vass's invention called the Quantum Oscillator—a device straight out of a sci-fi plot with the audacious promise of finding the lost with just a sliver of DNA. Imagine a gadget claiming to pinpoint your long-gone ancestors' graves or track down missing persons with a flicker of electromagnetic waves. Dr. Vass claims that with a bit of your DNA, his Quantum Oscillator could lead him to grave sites with 92% accuracy from a distance as far as 60 miles. Sounds miraculous, right? But hold your horses—does this invention hold up under the scrutiny of science, or is it veering into the realm of pseudoscience? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jan 30, 2024 • 39min
1602: The Grave Detector part 1
In "The Grave Detector," we delve into the enigmatic practice of using dowsing rods with a focus on the work of Dr. Arpard Vass, a forensic anthropologist renowned for his innovative methods in locating unmarked graves and human remains. The episode explores the traditional and modern uses of dowsing rods, often associated with finding water, treasures, and possibly ghosts. But most alarming of all, dowsing rods play a controversial role in police investigations and legal proceedings. M. Chris Fabricant, Junk Science - https://a.co/d/cu4tn9mMichael Hadsell, Peace River K9 Search and Rescue (PRSAR) - https://www.prsar.org/Dr. Arpad Vass- http://forensicrecoveryservices.org/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jan 23, 2024 • 22min
1601: The High School Hoax (Shelby Hewitt)
In "The High School Hoax," the latest episode of "PRETEND," we explore the true story of Shelby Hewitt, a 32-year-old woman who enrolled as a high school student in Boston.What compels an adult to return to high school? How did this go unnoticed? Janelle, a 16-year-old classmate and friend of Shelby's, offers a unique window into this bizarre ruse.See video of Shelby Hewitt:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/C02ngXjsUh1/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@pretendpod/video/7312640020207242538YouTube: https://youtube.com/shorts/xG-y0td3MkI?feature=share Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jan 16, 2024 • 55min
1510: How to Disappear Revisited
Dartanyon A. Williams (DAW) stole his parents’ identities at the age of 15. Unfortunately, they weren’t his last victims. Dartanyon, who also goes by DAW, claims he has stolen thousands of identities. So many that he’s lost count. It’s rare to hear firsthand from an identity thief. In this episode, DartanyonHow to steal someone’s identityHow did he do it? He had many tactics. But the most proven technique was paying off restaurant employees, car dealerships, and tax preparation companies. These employees served as double agents. When no one was looking, they would collect customers' social security numbers and smuggle them to DAW. Today, DAW’s life of crime is behind him. He even ran for Congress for the U.S. House of Representatives.How to protect your identityThese days, it’s just as easy to steal your identity from a breached database. Everything an identity thief needs to steal your identity is already online. What can you do to protect yourself? Click here to see if your email has been involved in a breached database:https://haveibeenpwned.com/Freezing your credit and setting up a fraud alertI’ve taken the extreme step of freezing my credit. It’s actually not really that extreme. In fact, it’s quite easy. In this episode, you’ll hear how simple it is to lock down your credit so that no one can assume your identity. Michael Bazzell, a privacy consultant, walks me through the credit freeze process. For more details, download his step-by-step guide. Essentially, get a free credit report from one of the credit bureaus, then ask them to freeze your credit. This way, no one can open a line of credit under your name. If you ever need to unfreeze your credit, it’s easy. Just unfreeze your credit by going online or with a quick phone call. EquifaxOnline: https://www.equifax.com/personal/credit-report-services/credit-freeze/ExperianOnline: https://www.experian.com/freeze/center.htmlTransUnionOnline: https://service.transunion.com/dss/orderStep1_form.page If you just stumbled on this page, start with part 1.Michael BazzellTo learn more about Michael Bazzell, check out his website IntelTechniques.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jan 2, 2024 • 49min
1509: The One Who Got Away - Revisited
Peter Pan syndrome is when someone refuses to grow up. It’s neither a disease nor a recognized mental disorder—it’s just a state of mind. Today, you’ll meet a man who became a fugitive to live in his very own Neverland.Larry Douglas Jones is not your typical fugitive. He had a wife and three kids. He’s not a dangerous man. Larry just became overwhelmed with life and decided to run away. This is a rebroadcast of a previous series about fugitives running from the law. In season 4 of PRETEND, we explore how abandoning your old identity leads to complications. How do these criminals assume a new identity? What strategies do they use to avoid getting caught? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dec 24, 2023 • 40min
1508: The Christmas Con
In today's Christmas episode, we delve into the story of David Ellisor, a man whose grand Christmas scheme left the city of Miami in disbelief. Ellisor, a real-life Grinch, planned to host "Christmas From Around the World," a supposed once-in-a-lifetime event promising the presence of ambassadors, live reindeer, and a spectacle of global traditions. But the event never happened. He collected the cash and made a run for it. This is a Christmas caper for the ages. Plus, listeners tell their own Christmas con stories. Merry Christmas! Happy Holidays! And I wish all of you a Happy New Year! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dec 12, 2023 • 23min
1507 - The Stalker - It Will Never End (part 18)
The Stalker Saga Continues: Trial Back On for Tanya and Rick FernandezHey there, avid followers of the "Stalker" series! You might recall my last update, where I mentioned Tanya and Rick Fernandez may have taken a plea deal. Well.... There was a bit of a mix-up: while the State of Arizona court website had the trial marked as "vacated," a peek into the Maricopa Superior Court website told a different story. It turns out they have a new trial date set for February 27, 2024. So, what does this mean? Initially, I speculated that the couple might have struck a plea deal. It seemed like a plausible explanation at the time, considering the how their settlement conference ended. But, as it often turns out, the reality was a bit different. I'm here to set the record straight: the trial is very much back on!But wait, there's more. I had one more conversation with Tanya Fernandez and her oldest son. To say it was enlightening would be an understatement. The conversation added one more clue into revealing the identity of the stalker.Stay tuned for more updates as we approach the trial date. This case has been a roller coaster of developments, and I'm committed to keeping you all in the loop with every twist and turn. Until then, keep your eyes peeled for more updates. The "Stalker" saga is far from over. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices


