

Thinking Poker
Andrew Brokos
Weekly poker podcast featuring interviews with both famous and behind-the-scenes figures from the poker world, as well as a poker strategy segment.
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Oct 20, 2025 • 1h 34min
Episode 485: Joel Porter-Dias Returns, Part 2
This is the conclusion of our interview with Joel Porter-Dias, which began with Episode 484. Joel first appeared on Episode 409.Joel’s blogOld Man JamesDJ Renegade on SoundcloudJoel’s book Ideas of ImprovisationYou can join Andrew and Carlos on ClubWPT Gold by signing up at https://clubwptgold.com/?promo=THINK. Receive 10% off your GTO Wizard subscription when you use this link to sign up to GTO Wizard today and run deeper in your MTTs with GTO Wizard AI!You can now get two FREE episodes per week of Thinking Poker Daily.
JOEL PORTER-DIAS
Joel Porter-Dias is a poet who has earned a living from gambling for over thirty years. He has also been a DJ, a computer programmer, and probably a few other things we didn’t even get to ask him about. His book Ideas of Improvisation is available from Thread Makes Blanket Press.
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Oct 13, 2025 • 1h 21min
Episode 484: Joel Porter Dias Returns, Part 1
Joel Porter-Dias, who first appeared on Episode 409, returns to discuss advantage slot play and some legendary gamblers who recently passed. Joel is a fascinating and multi-faceted guy, which is why this is only Part 1 of a very long interview!Joel’s blogOld Man JamesDJ Renegade on SoundcloudJoel’s book Ideas of ImprovisationYou can join Andrew and Carlos on ClubWPT Gold by signing up at https://clubwptgold.com/?promo=THINK. Receive 10% off your GTO Wizard subscription when you use this link to sign up to GTO Wizard today and run deeper in your MTTs with GTO Wizard AI!You can now get two FREE episodes per week of Thinking Poker Daily.
Joel Porter-Dias
Joel Porter-Dias is a poet who has earned a living from gambling for over thirty years. He has also been a DJ, a computer programmer, and probably a few other things we didn’t even get to ask him about. His book Ideas of Improvisation is available from Thread Makes Blanket Press.
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Sep 23, 2025 • 47min
Episode 483: Jenny Westerlund
Swedish pro and mother of two Jenny Westerlund recently had the biggest score of her career when she shipped the Main Event of the WSOP Circuit in Tallinn, Estonia for over €200,000. She talks to Nate and Andrew about her background as both a dealer and a kindergarten teacher and how she balances traveling the live circuit with (co-)parenting two kids as a single mother.You can join Andrew and Carlos on ClubWPT Gold by signing up at https://clubwptgold.com/?promo=THINK. Receive 10% off your GTO Wizard subscription when you use this link to sign up to GTO Wizard today and run deeper in your MTTs with GTO Wizard AI!You can now get two FREE episodes per week of Thinking Poker Daily.
JENNY WESTERLUND
Jenny Westerlund is a professional poker player from Switzerland. She recently won the Main Event of the WSOP Circuit in Tallinn, Estonia.
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Sep 8, 2025 • 1h 1min
Episode 482: Ian Gavlick
Software engineer and avid mixed games player Ian Gavlick is bringing games like triple draw into the modern era of poker strategy with Stud Flop Draw. He shares his passion for mixed game strategy and software with Andrew and Carlos and offers some predictions for how AI will shape the future of poker.You can join Andrew and Carlos on ClubWPT Gold by signing up at https://clubwptgold.com/?promo=THINK. Receive 10% off your GTO Wizard subscription when you use this link to sign up to GTO Wizard today and run deeper in your MTTs with GTO Wizard AI!You can now get two FREE episodes per week of Thinking Poker Daily.
Ian Gavlick
Ian Gavlick is a poker playing Software Engineer, who spent 15 years working at companies like Twitter & Microsoft before starting Stud Flop Draw to build modern study tools for mixed games.
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Aug 18, 2025 • 1h 1min
Episode 481: Pure Strategy
Andrew and Carlos answer strategy questions from the Patreon, and Carlos discusses his move from Las Vegas to Jacksonville.You can join Andrew and Carlos on ClubWPT Gold by signing up at https://clubwptgold.com/?promo=THINK. Receive 10% off your GTO Wizard subscription when you use this link to sign up to GTO Wizard today and run deeper in your MTTs with GTO Wizard AI!You can now get two FREE episodes per week of Thinking Poker Daily.

Jul 28, 2025 • 50min
Episode 480: Royal Redux
Michelle Farmer and Natascha Carpenter founded Royal Queens Poker in Atlanta in 2024 after seeing the lack of diversity in other leagues, a journey they shared with Andrew, Carlos, and Gloria Jackson on Episode 459. Now they’re back to discuss the joys and challenges of their rapid growth plus some thoughts on the 2025 World Series of Poker.Thanks to Caitlyn Arnwine for connecting us with them!Follow Royal Queens Poker on Social Media:InstagramFacebookTiktokYou can join Andrew and Carlos on ClubWPT Gold by signing up at https://clubwptgold.com/?promo=THINK. Receive 10% off your GTO Wizard subscription when you use this link to sign up to GTO Wizard today and run deeper in your MTTs with GTO Wizard AI!You can now get two FREE episodes per week of Thinking Poker Daily.
Michelle Farmer & Natascha Carpenter
Michelle Farmer and Natascha Carpenter have over 15 years of poker experience. Royal Queens Poker hosts ladies-only tournaments and offers classes to encourage female participation. Additionally, Royal Queens Poker provides free poker events at local restaurants and bars, where players have the chance to win prizes.
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Jul 14, 2025 • 1h 27min
Episode 479: Craig Savage
Craig Savage is an educator by trade, but he’s been a competitive poker player and a student of Carlos’s for many years. Hot on the heels of his bracelet victory in the $500 NLHE Freezeout, he speaks with Andrew and Carlos about the experience and how he stays on top of the game despite family and professional obligations.In the strategy segment, Andrew discusse what exactly “targeting” means and why so many people get it wrong.You can join Andrew and Carlos on ClubWPT Gold by signing up at https://clubwptgold.com/?promo=THINK. Receive 10% off your GTO Wizard subscription when you use this link to sign up to GTO Wizard today and run deeper in your MTTs with GTO Wizard AI!You can now get two FREE episodes per week of Thinking Poker Daily.
CRAIG SAVAGE
Craig is an educator with 31 years of experience, specializing in psychology, the psychology and ethics of leadership, and advanced biology. A former collegiate athlete, he turned to poker in 2003 as a new competitive outlet. He has a gold WSOP bracelet from the 2025 $500 NLHE Freezeout and is part of the Chase the Dream docuseries.
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Jun 30, 2025 • 1h 1min
Episode 478: Ian Chan
Ian Chan is a Silicon Valley software engineer and a triple draw enthusiast who built his own badugi solver. He talks game theory, artificial intelligence, mixed games, and the underappreciated role of tactile poker experiences.We’ve also got a little in memoriam for Jane Hitchcock, who was our guest on Episode 330.All our interviews with the University of Alberta Computer Poker Research Group are here.The Counterfactual Regret Minimization paper we discuss is here.You can join Andrew and Carlos on ClubWPT Gold by signing up at https://clubwptgold.com/?promo=THINK. Receive 10% off your GTO Wizard subscription when you use this link to sign up to GTO Wizard today and run deeper in your MTTs with GTO Wizard AI!You can now get two FREE episodes per week of Thinking Poker Daily.
IAN CHAN
Ian Chan is the VP of Engineering at Postscript. He’s also an avid poker player who enjoys applying his knowledge of game theory and computer science to triple draw games.
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Jun 17, 2025 • 1h 5min
Episode 477: Shootout with Nate Meyvis
Former Thinking Poker Podcast host Nate Meyvis joins the show to talk about AI, spaced repetition, and his new flashcard site ZippyFlash.com. Meanwhile Carlos drops in with occasional updates while playing the $1500 Shootout at the WSOP.You can join Andrew and Carlos on ClubWPT Gold by signing up at https://clubwptgold.com/?promo=THINK. Receive 10% off your GTO Wizard subscription when you use this link to sign up to GTO Wizard today and run deeper in your MTTs with GTO Wizard AI!You can now get two FREE episodes per week of Thinking Poker Daily.
NATE MEYVIS
Nate Meyvis is a software engineer and a former professional poker player and original co-host of the Thinking Poker Podcast.
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Jun 9, 2025 • 53min
Risky Business: Why ChatGPT Sucks at Poker
This week, we’re bringing you an episode of Risky Business, a podcast about better decision making from our friends Nate Silver and Maria Konnikova. You can find more Risky Business at https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/risky-business-with-nate-silver-maria-konnikova.You can join Andrew and Carlos on ClubWPT Gold by signing up at https://clubwptgold.com/?promo=THINK. Receive 10% off your GTO Wizard subscription when you use this link to sign up to GTO Wizard today and run deeper in your MTTs with GTO Wizard AI!You can now get two FREE episodes per week of Thinking Poker Daily.
NATE SILVER
Nate Silver is the founder of FiveThirtyEight and a former professional poker player. He is the author of On the Edge, The Signal and the Noise, and the Silver Bulletin substack, and he co-hosts the Risky Business podcast with Maria Konnikova, whom we interviewed on Episode 247. Nate first appeared on Episode 318.
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MARIA KONNIKOVA
Maria Konnikova is a poker player, a contributing writer for the New Yorker, and the author of The Confidence Game, Mastermind: How to Think Like Sherlock Holmes, and the new The Biggest Bluff.
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