Life After MLM

*This episode discusses topics that may be triggering to some including, purity culture, sex and sexuality. Please use descretion when listening.*Sam reached out to me to add another level of understanding to the complicated topic of Purity Culture and how those teachings in our childhood affect us and our choices as adults. Our conversation leads us down a path filled with soapboxes, empowerment, and laughing through the trauma as we unpack the here and now.Show NotesThe Princess and The Kiss - https://www.christianbook.com/the-princess-and-the-kiss/jennie-bishop/9780871628688/pd/628686Purity Culture - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purity_cultureAsexuality - https://www.thetrevorproject.org/resources/article/understanding-asexuality/Out of MLM - https://outofmlm.info/Cultish by Amanda Montell - https://amzn.to/3Q7owx9Dr. Steven Hassan's BITE Model - https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/Ponzinomics by Robert L. FitzPatrick - https://amzn.to/3q16oJbHow can you help?Report false income and health claims here: https://reportfraud.ftc.gov/Or go to: https://www.truthinadvertising.orgYou can also report to your state Attorney General's office! https://www.naag.org/find-my-ag/Not in the U.S.? Go here: https://www.ftc.gov/policy/international/competition-consumer-protection-authorities-worldwideSupport the Podcast!Join the Patreon! - https://www.patreon.com/robertablevinsBuy me a Taco and leave a note! 🌮💖 - https://www.buymeacoffee.com/robertablevinsFollow on TikTok for Anti MLM content, education, and humor! - https://www.tiktok.com/@bertalikewhoaFollow on Instagram for visual show notes, FAQ, and updates! - https://www.instagram.com/lifeaftermlmpodcast/Like on Facebook and join our show fan page to jump in on the conversation! - https://www.facebook.com/lifeaftermlmpodcast*Some links may be affiliate links. When you purchase things from these links, I get a small commission that I use to buy us tacos. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Steve joined Amway over 20 years ago, as a young naive man, looking for a steady income. Back then he was focus on building his products business, eventually making it to Emerald, but not seeing the same profits from others around him who had more of a "Tools" focus. It wasn't until Steve started asking questions nobody wanted to answer that he started taking a closer look at where the money was coming from.Show NotesAmway Systems - https://www.amwaywiki.com/Active_Amway_Business_Support_SystemsAmway in the 1990's - https://amwayconnections.com/amway-celebrates-60-years/amway-in-1990s-magic-begins/Rubbermaid & Amway - https://www.nytimes.com/1997/10/07/business/rubbermaid-amway-deal.htmlMCI & Amway - https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/business/1985/10/15/amway-representatives-sell-mci-door-to-door/5e20d214-7ac6-4bdf-a9ee-0f5a1c175a3f/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2d168a3565d8Amway in the 90's : Organic Farming - https://amwayconnections.com/amway-celebrates-60-years/amway-in-1990s-acquiring-certified-organic-farms/Out of MLM - https://outofmlm.info/Cultish by Amanda Montell - https://amzn.to/3Q7owx9Dr. Steven Hassan's BITE Model - https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/Ponzinomics by Robert L. FitzPatrick - https://amzn.to/3q16oJbHow can you help?Report false income and health claims here: https://reportfraud.ftc.gov/Or go to: https://www.truthinadvertising.orgYou can also report to your state Attorney General's office! https://www.naag.org/find-my-ag/Not in the U.S.? Go here: https://www.ftc.gov/policy/international/competition-consumer-protection-authorities-worldwideSupport the Podcast!Join the Patreon! - https://www.patreon.com/robertablevinsBuy me a Taco and leave a note! 🌮💖 - https://www.buymeacoffee.com/robertablevinsFollow on TikTok for Anti MLM content, education, and humor! - https://www.tiktok.com/@bertalikewhoaFollow on Instagram for visual show notes, FAQ, and updates! - https://www.instagram.com/lifeaftermlmpodcast/Like on Facebook and join our show fan page to jump in on the conversation! - https://www.facebook.com/lifeaftermlmpodcast*Some links may be affiliate links. When you purchase things from these links, I get a small commission that I use to buy us tacos. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Growing up in the Grand Rapids Michigan area, Amway is a part of every day normal life. Even if you're not a fan, it's almost literally impossible not to support the company in some way. From the medical research facilities, to the concert halls and arenas, the Devos/Van Andel family have made their mark on West Michigan in more ways than one. Emma shares some of her experiences growing up surrounded by Amway, and some interesting inside looks into the lives of MLM billionaires.Show NotesGrand Rapid/Ada Township Slide Show - TBDRedeveloping Ada, MI - https://www.mlive.com/business/west-michigan/2013/05/amway_in_ada_doug_devos_steve.htmlHow Ada Transformed over 10 Years - https://www.woodtv.com/news/kent-county/old-village-new-vision-how-ada-transformed-over-10-years/Amway's Mark on West Michigan - https://www.freep.com/story/news/2018/09/06/amway-richard-devos-dies/1211469002/Tour Amway - https://www.amwayglobal.com/tour-amway/Amway's Peter Island - https://www.ahchospitality.com/properties/peter-island-resort-spaRichard & Helen Devos Tribute - https://www.gvsu.edu/devostribute/Fox Motors - https://www.foxmotors.com/blog/index.htmOut of MLM - https://outofmlm.info/Cultish by Amanda Montell - https://amzn.to/3Q7owx9Dr. Steven Hassan's BITE Model - https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/Ponzinomics by Robert L. FitzPatrick - https://amzn.to/3q16oJbHow can you help?Report false income and health claims here: https://reportfraud.ftc.gov/Or go to: https://www.truthinadvertising.orgYou can also report to your state Attorney General's office! https://www.naag.org/find-my-ag/Not in the U.S.? Go here: https://www.ftc.gov/policy/international/competition-consumer-protection-authorities-worldwideSupport the Podcast!Join the Patreon! - https://www.patreon.com/robertablevinsBuy me a Taco and leave a note! 🌮💖 - https://www.buymeacoffee.com/robertablevinsFollow on TikTok for Anti MLM content, education, and humor! - https://www.tiktok.com/@bertalikewhoaFollow on Instagram for visual show notes, FAQ, and updates! - https://www.instagram.com/lifeaftermlmpodcast/Like on Facebook and join our show fan page to jump in on the conversation! - https://www.facebook.com/lifeaftermlmpodcast*Some links may be affiliate links. When you purchase things from these links, I get a small commission that I use to buy us tacos. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

*This episode includes conversations about Purity Culture, sex and the AIDS crisis and is considered 18+ in content. Please use discretion when listening.*I never thought in a million years that I would be making an episode on Life After MLM about sex, but when Pastor Rob reached out to me to agree with my takes on the dangers of Purity Culture and how he can use the bible to prove it, I jumped at the chance. I mean sex is the only reason any of us are here, and to demonize it and twist scripture to fit this odd narrative to control women for the sake of men's needs seems culty and gross. This episode is for anyone who was ever shamed just for being human and having sexual wants and desires outside of what "society" deemed appropriate.Show NotesPurity Culture - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purity_cultureI Kissed Dating Goodbye - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Kissed_Dating_GoodbyeSong of Songs KJV - https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=2578814Song of Songs Modern Translation - https://www.leonard-ng.com/song-of-songs/Who is Ryan White? - https://ryanwhite.hrsa.gov/about/ryan-whiteOut of MLM - https://outofmlm.info/Cultish by Amanda Montell - https://amzn.to/3Q7owx9Dr. Steven Hassan's BITE Model - https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/Ponzinomics by Robert L. FitzPatrick - https://amzn.to/3q16oJbHow can you help?Report false income and health claims here: https://reportfraud.ftc.gov/Or go to: https://www.truthinadvertising.orgYou can also report to your state Attorney General's office! https://www.naag.org/find-my-ag/Not in the U.S.? Go here: https://www.ftc.gov/policy/international/competition-consumer-protection-authorities-worldwideSupport the Podcast!Join the Patreon! - https://www.patreon.com/robertablevinsBuy me a Taco and leave a note! 🌮💖 - https://www.buymeacoffee.com/robertablevinsFollow on TikTok for Anti MLM content, education, and humor! - https://www.tiktok.com/@bertalikewhoaFollow on Instagram for visual show notes, FAQ, and updates! - https://www.instagram.com/lifeaftermlmpodcast/Like on Facebook and join our show fan page to jump in on the conversation! - https://www.facebook.com/lifeaftermlmpodcast*Some links may be affiliate links. When you purchase things from these links, I get a small commission that I use to buy us tacos. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

If you know your LuLaHistory you know Courtney Harwood, the first "mentor" to leave featured in both LuLaRich and the Vice Documentary. A sit down with Courtney is probably one of my most requested interviews and it wasn't until recently that we could really find the time to make that happen. It's been almost 2 years since LuLaRich dropped and I wanted to catch up, put some rumors to rest, get the tea that was TOO HOT for Amazon and see what she was up to. And in TRUE Courtney fashion, she did NOT disappoint.Show NotesHow LuLaRoe Pressured their Sellers into Surgery - https://www.realself.com/news/lularich-courtney-harwood-lularoe-plastic-surgeryPruvit Ketones Review - https://illuminatelabs.org/blogs/health/pruvit-ketones-reviewPurvit Sued over Flavoring - https://behindmlm.com/companies/lacore-enterprises/pruvit-sued-for-use-of-petrochemical-derived-flavoring/EPA v. Pruvit - https://oag.ca.gov/system/files/prop65/complaints/2020-01339C6410.pdfColorectal Cancer Screenings - https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/colorectal/basic_info/screening/index.htmOut of MLM - https://outofmlm.info/Cultish by Amanda Montell - https://amzn.to/3Q7owx9Dr. Steven Hassan's BITE Model - https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/Ponzinomics by Robert L. FitzPatrick - https://amzn.to/3q16oJbHow can you help?Report false income and health claims here: https://reportfraud.ftc.gov/Or go to: https://www.truthinadvertising.orgYou can also report to your state Attorney General's office! https://www.naag.org/find-my-ag/Not in the U.S.? Go here: https://www.ftc.gov/policy/international/competition-consumer-protection-authorities-worldwideSupport the Podcast!Join the Patreon! - https://www.patreon.com/robertablevinsBuy me a Taco and leave a note! 🌮💖 - https://www.buymeacoffee.com/robertablevinsFollow on TikTok for Anti MLM content, education, and humor! - https://www.tiktok.com/@bertalikewhoaFollow on Instagram for visual show notes, FAQ, and updates! - https://www.instagram.com/lifeaftermlmpodcast/Like on Facebook and join our show fan page to jump in on the conversation! - https://www.facebook.com/lifeaftermlmpodcast*Some links may be affiliate links. When you purchase things from these links, I get a small commission that I use to buy us tacos. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

As a self proclaimed "MLM Addict in Recovery", Cindy Adams has jumped through a lot of hoops in the name of Boss Babery. From attending to many in-home parties to count, to traveling internationally across the country, she's made a lot of Hunbot level choices. So when she reached out with a story about almost getting roped into Amway as a teen, (and that's just the beginning!) I knew we had to chat. Cindy brings the shock, the cringe and the belly laughs as we recount her time in MLM.Show NotesMy Fave MLM Dupes : https://amzn.to/44XVt6wTrump v. ACN - https://www.courthousenews.com/pyramid-scheme-lawsuit-drops-claims-against-trump-children/Out of MLM - https://outofmlm.info/Cultish by Amanda Montell - https://amzn.to/3Q7owx9Dr. Steven Hassan's BITE Model - https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/Ponzinomics by Robert L. FitzPatrick - https://amzn.to/3q16oJbHow can you help?Report false income and health claims here: https://reportfraud.ftc.gov/Or go to: https://www.truthinadvertising.orgYou can also report to your state Attorney General's office! https://www.naag.org/find-my-ag/Not in the U.S.? Go here: https://www.ftc.gov/policy/international/competition-consumer-protection-authorities-worldwideSupport the Podcast!Join the Patreon! - https://www.patreon.com/robertablevinsBuy me a Taco and leave a note! 🌮💖 - https://www.buymeacoffee.com/robertablevinsFollow on TikTok for Anti MLM content, education, and humor! - https://www.tiktok.com/@bertalikewhoaFollow on Instagram for visual show notes, FAQ, and updates! - https://www.instagram.com/lifeaftermlmpodcast/Like on Facebook and join our show fan page to jump in on the conversation! - https://www.facebook.com/lifeaftermlmpodcast*Some links may be affiliate links. When you purchase things from these links, I get a small commission that I use to buy us tacos. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

*Content Warning : This episode talks about The No Name Fellowship and discusses the death of a child, among other cult abuses. Please use discretion when listening.*Shortly after Stacey's episode came out I got an email from another survivor of the "No Name Fellowship" who had even more to add to the story. With very little information about this group out there, any additional pieces to the puzzle would be helpful in understanding the complex cult; but I did NOT expect what was waiting for me on the other side of the microphone, and how an hour long chat added even more pieces to other puzzles we've been working on. My conversation with Jordan was filled with eye opening confessions, WTF moments and lots of (not at all silent) laughter.Show NotesLife After MLM Merch!! - https://www.bonfire.com/store/life-after-mlm/Knowledge Fight - https://knowledgefight.com/Erica Lafferty's GoFundMe - https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-lafferty-beat-lymphoma-survivorssurviveAlex Jones's Bankruptcy - https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/18/us/politics/alex-jones-bankruptcy.htmlNo Name Fellowship - https://culteducation.com/group/1081-no-name-fellowship.htmlOut of MLM - https://outofmlm.info/Cultish by Amanda Montell - https://amzn.to/3Q7owx9Dr. Steven Hassan's BITE Model - https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/Ponzinomics by Robert L. FitzPatrick - https://amzn.to/3q16oJbHow can you help?Report false income and health claims here: https://reportfraud.ftc.gov/Or go to: https://www.truthinadvertising.orgYou can also report to your state Attorney General's office! https://www.naag.org/find-my-ag/Not in the U.S.? Go here: https://www.ftc.gov/policy/international/competition-consumer-protection-authorities-worldwideSupport the Podcast!Join the Patreon! - https://www.patreon.com/robertablevinsBuy me a Taco and leave a note! 🌮💖 - https://www.buymeacoffee.com/robertablevinsFollow on TikTok for Anti MLM content, education, and humor! - https://www.tiktok.com/@bertalikewhoaFollow on Instagram for visual show notes, FAQ, and updates! - https://www.instagram.com/lifeaftermlmpodcast/Like on Facebook and join our show fan page to jump in on the conversation! - https://www.facebook.com/lifeaftermlmpodcast*Some links may be affiliate links. When you purchase things from these links, I get a small commission that I use to buy us tacos. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Have you ever heard a Hun proclaim they owned their own business, with silently screaming inside that joining an MLM isn't the same thing as being a business owner? Have you ever been curious about some of the less obvious things a real small business owner would be concerned about that might never cross the mind of someone in an MLM? Well you're in luck! Olivia is an internal auditor by trade, who also fell prey to an MLM and quickly saw how the scam can pull you in. Now she runs a successful business of her own and wanted to talk about the real differences between being your own boss and being The Boss.Show NotesFTC vs BINT - https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2023/07/operators-blessing-loom-scheme-banned-multi-level-marketing-result-pyramid-scheme-charges-broughtConnect with Olivia on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/olivia-whipple-07009118/Celeb's LOVE S&D! They're just like us! - https://people.com/style/ruth-bader-ginsburg-stella-dot-necklace-kardashians/RBG's Necklace is a Stella & Dot gift - https://www.jckonline.com/editorial-article/ruth-bader-ginsburgs-collar-stella/The Audit Library - https://theauditlibrary.com/Out of MLM - https://outofmlm.info/Cultish by Amanda Montell - https://amzn.to/3Q7owx9Dr. Steven Hassan's BITE Model - https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/Ponzinomics by Robert L. FitzPatrick - https://amzn.to/3q16oJbHow can you help?Report false income and health claims here: https://reportfraud.ftc.gov/Or go to: https://www.truthinadvertising.orgYou can also report to your state Attorney General's office! https://www.naag.org/find-my-ag/Not in the U.S.? Go here: https://www.ftc.gov/policy/international/competition-consumer-protection-authorities-worldwideSupport the Podcast!Join the Patreon! - https://www.patreon.com/robertablevinsBuy me a Taco and leave a note! 🌮💖 - https://www.buymeacoffee.com/robertablevinsFollow on TikTok for Anti MLM content, education, and humor! - https://www.tiktok.com/@bertalikewhoaFollow on Instagram for visual show notes, FAQ, and updates! - https://www.instagram.com/lifeaftermlmpodcast/Like on Facebook and join our show fan page to jump in on the conversation! - https://www.facebook.com/lifeaftermlmpodcast*Some links may be affiliate links. When you purchase things from these links, I get a small commission that I use to buy us tacos. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A couple months ago, Russ came to me with an idea I fully supported; attending a motivational coaching seminar with a starry-eyed friend to keep him safe from being scammed. Spending a good chunk of change on the largest VIP ticket, he agreed to keep his eyes peeled, take notes and report back, but Russ's expectation verses his reality were two entirely different things.Show NotesAspire Tour - https://www.aspiretour.com/homeAspire Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/aspiretour/Out of MLM - https://outofmlm.info/Cultish by Amanda Montell - https://amzn.to/3Q7owx9Dr. Steven Hassan's BITE Model - https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/Ponzinomics by Robert L. FitzPatrick - https://amzn.to/3q16oJbHow can you help?Report false income and health claims here: https://reportfraud.ftc.gov/Or go to: https://www.truthinadvertising.orgYou can also report to your state Attorney General's office! https://www.naag.org/find-my-ag/Not in the U.S.? Go here: https://www.ftc.gov/policy/international/competition-consumer-protection-authorities-worldwideSupport the Podcast!Join the Patreon! - https://www.patreon.com/robertablevinsBuy me a Taco and leave a note! 🌮💖 - https://www.buymeacoffee.com/robertablevinsFollow on TikTok for Anti MLM content, education, and humor! - https://www.tiktok.com/@bertalikewhoaFollow on Instagram for visual show notes, FAQ, and updates! - https://www.instagram.com/lifeaftermlmpodcast/Like on Facebook and join our show fan page to jump in on the conversation! - https://www.facebook.com/lifeaftermlmpodcast*Some links may be affiliate links. When you purchase things from these links, I get a small commission that I use to buy us tacos. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

*Content Warning: This episode deals with Medical Child Abuse, including examples and descriptions of actual abuse in MbP cases. Please use caution when listening.*In continuing our education into the exploitation of children, I invited my friend Andrea Dunlop on the show to open up the conversation about Medical Child Abuse. Andrea is the host of the podcast Nobody Should Believe Me which deals in the victims stories and education surrounding "Factitious Disorder Imposed on Another" or as it's more commonly known, Munchausen by Proxy. In our chat we cover the red flags to keep your eyes on, the statistics revolving around this heinous female violence, and it's crossovers into MLM scams.Show NotesFollow Andrea! - Website | Instagram | Patreon | LinkTreeNobody Should Believe Me Season 2 OUT NOW! - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/nobody-should-believe-me/id1615637188Munchausen Support - https://www.munchausensupport.com/We Came Here to Forget - https://amzn.to/3K2uw9hAmerican Professional Society on the Abuse of Children - https://www.apsac.org/Mommy Dead and Dearest - https://amzn.to/3rr4Vk6Out of MLM - https://outofmlm.info/Cultish by Amanda Montell - https://amzn.to/3Q7owx9Dr. Steven Hassan's BITE Model - https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/Ponzinomics by Robert L. FitzPatrick - https://amzn.to/3q16oJbHow can you help?Report false income and health claims here: https://reportfraud.ftc.gov/Or go to: https://www.truthinadvertising.orgYou can also report to your state Attorney General's office! https://www.naag.org/find-my-ag/Not in the U.S.? Go here: https://www.ftc.gov/policy/international/competition-consumer-protection-authorities-worldwideSupport the Podcast!Join the Patreon! - https://www.patreon.com/robertablevinsBuy me a Taco and leave a note! 🌮💖 - https://www.buymeacoffee.com/robertablevinsFollow on TikTok for Anti MLM content, education, and humor! - https://www.tiktok.com/@bertalikewhoaFollow on Instagram for visual show notes, FAQ, and updates! - https://www.instagram.com/lifeaftermlmpodcast/Like on Facebook and join our show fan page to jump in on the conversation! - https://www.facebook.com/lifeaftermlmpodcast*Some links may be affiliate links. When you purchase things from these links, I get a small commission that I use to buy us tacos. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.