

The Conversation with Dasha Burns
POLITICO
The Conversation with POLITICO’s Dasha Burns is a fresh take on the traditional Sunday show format, going beyond conventional wisdom and short sound bites to broaden the political conversation. Each week, Dasha will sit down with one of the most compelling – and sometimes unexpected – power players in Washington and beyond for a real discussion about how they are shaping the current moment.
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Dec 8, 2023 • 33min
Why James Lankford expects a border breakthrough
The GOP’s lead negotiator on the embattled Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan, and border security supplemental believes that a compromise will happen. But do his Democratic colleagues in the Senate and his fellow Republicans in the House agree?Ryan Lizza is a Playbook co-author for POLITICO.James Lankford is the senior U.S. senator from Oklahoma.Kara Tabor is a producer for POLITICO audio. Alex Keeney is a senior producer for POLITICO audio.
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Dec 1, 2023 • 32min
Steve Scalise reveals what’s really happened since McCarthy’s fall
House Majority Leader Steve Scalise reveals what happened after McCarthy's ousting, upcoming impeachment plans, his stance on expelling George Santos, and Speaker Mike Johnson's strategy on immigration and the spending showdown with Biden.

Nov 17, 2023 • 1h 4min
Why the era of the ‘Emerging Democratic Majority’ is collapsing
John Judis and Ruy Teixeira discuss their new book that explores the impact of a 'shadow party' on Democrats, pushing them towards radical cultural positions and away from core economic issues. They delve into hindrances to the Democratic Party's potential, the impact of dismissing conservative viewpoints, perceptions of immigration in terms of race, the effects of the neoliberal project on the working class, challenges around abortion rights, and Joe Biden's presidency.

Nov 10, 2023 • 57min
Why US politics has become must-see TV abroad
Australian TV hosts Chas Licciardello and John Barron explain how American politics has influenced culture and government in their homeland; and which single feature of Australian politics could fix many of America’s biggest problems.Ryan Lizza is a Playbook co-author for POLITICO.Chas Licciardello is a comedian and co-host of Planet America.John Barron is a journalist, broadcaster and co-host of Planet America.Kara Tabor is a producer for POLITICO audio. Alex Keeney is a senior producer for POLITICO audio.
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Nov 3, 2023 • 48min
Why Democrats keep stubbing their toes on the working class vote
On this week’s episode of Deep Dive, Pulitzer Prize winner David Leonhardt joins host and Playbook co-author Ryan Lizza to talk about his new book and what it says about how Democrats can save their relationship with working class voters.Ryan Lizza is a Playbook co-author for POLITICO.David Leonhardt is a senior writer for the New York Times and the author of "Ours Was the Shining Future: The Story of the American Dream."Kara Tabor is a producer for POLITICO audio. Alex Keeney is a senior producer for POLITICO audio.
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Oct 27, 2023 • 52min
The GOP’s new strategy to win on abortion
Since the Supreme Court’s Dobbs decision in June 2022, the GOP has repeatedly paid a price electorally for its stance on abortion.The chaos has been dispiriting to the anti-abortion activists who helped engineer the Dobbs decision in the first place. And now they think they have a new political strategy to get Republicans out of their defensive crouch and to start winning again on this issue. The woman leading this effort is Marjorie Dannenfelser, the head of Susan B. Anthony Pro-Life America, one of the most important institutions in the GOP firmament. She’s known as the woman who killed Roe.Dannenfelser and her colleagues are plotting, financing, and staffing the Republican Party’s counter attack on abortion. Playbook co-author and Deep Dive host Ryan Lizza sat down with her at SBA’s Virginia headquarters this week, partly because she had some news she wanted to share about how and where anti-abortion activists are making their first big move.Ryan Lizza is a Playbook co-author for POLITICO.Marjorie Dannenfelser is the president of Susan B. Anthony Pro-Life America.Kara Tabor is a producer for POLITICO audio. Alex Keeney is a senior producer for POLITICO audio.
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Oct 20, 2023 • 37min
How GOP moderates have Jim Jordan pinned
Host and Playbook co-author Ryan Lizza joins Rep. Mike Lawler (R-N.Y.) to learn how he and other GOP moderates, institutionalists, and Biden-district Republicans have organized against Jim Jordan’s campaign to be speaker of the House… and what the endgame is for Republicans to escape this mess.Ryan Lizza is a Playbook co-author for POLITICO.Mike Lawler is the representative for New York's 17th district.Kara Tabor is a producer for POLITICO audio. Alex Keeney is a senior producer for POLITICO audio.
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Oct 13, 2023 • 32min
Biden deputy national security adviser lifts the fog of war in Israel
Jon Finer, Biden's deputy national security adviser, discusses the approach to the war in Israel, balancing support for Israel with concerns about extreme response, Biden's warnings to Iran, and whether America is at war with Hamas.

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Oct 6, 2023 • 42min
How to fight a president, please a billionaire, and save a newspaper
Marty Baron, former editor of The Washington Post and author of Collision of Power: Trump, Bezos, and The Washington Post, spills the tea on what happened between Bezos and Trump, the challenges of journalism, impressions of Bezos as a newspaper owner, debate over the 15-minute metric, navigating dumb ideas, exploring editorial approaches, and defending against defamation lawsuits.

Sep 29, 2023 • 41min
How the UAW strike swallowed Biden, Trump, and the 2024 campaign
The center of presidential politics this week was the swing state of Michigan. Trump won the longtime Democratic stronghold in 2016, and Biden won it back in 2020. It will be pivotal again in 2024. And that’s why both candidates flew to metro Detroit on consecutive days this week to insert themselves into the United Auto Workers’ strike against the so-called “Detroit Three” — General Motors, Ford, and Stellantis, the company that owns Chrysler.On this episode of Playbook Deep Dive, host and Playbook co-author Ryan Lizza joins Rep. Debbie Dingell (D-Mich.), the House’s key player when it comes to the UAW strike, for a conversation about the strike’s political consequences, why she thinks that Democrats may be in danger of losing Michigan in 2024, and why the strike’s biggest sticking point is something you might not even have heard about.Ryan Lizza is a Playbook co-author for POLITICO.Debbie Dingell is the representative for Michigan's 6th district. Kara Tabor is a producer for POLITICO audio. Alex Keeney is a senior producer for POLITICO audio.
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