

The Unfair Advantage
Art of Leadership Network
Church planting is an extreme sport combining the best of entrepreneurship and church leadership. It calls for courage, tenacity, passion, and wisdom. When done right it’s one of the most rewarding endeavors on the planet. When done wrong it causes tremendous heartache and unnecessary pain. Church planters, we want to help you win early and finish strong. This podcast will help you avoid church planting land mines, grow as a leader, and discover practical tools to help you win in your local ministry context!
Episodes
Mentioned books

Mar 4, 2025 • 50min
EP 035 | Ray Hudson on Pivots in Planting, Building Your Staff, and Engaging Your City
In this episode of The Unfair Advantage, host David Hibiske sits down with church planter Raymond Hudson to discuss his journey of planting a church in Berkeley, California—one of the most challenging places to reach with the gospel. Raymond shares how his early experiences in church planting shaped his calling, the challenges of launching during the COVID-19 pandemic, and the importance of loving and serving a city rather than trying to "fix" it. He also offers key insights on leadership development, team building, and financial sustainability for church planters. His story is a powerful testament to faith, adaptability, and the impact of a deeply embedded, service-oriented church.Welcome to Episode 035 of The Unfair Advantage Podcast with David Hibiske.EPISODE LINKShttps://www.ourcitycenter.com/Do ministry together! Three gatherings, nine planters, one cohesive journey. Check out the Ascent Leader Church Planter Cohorts. Get more information today at: https://theascentleader.org/cohorts/ WHO IS RAYMOND HUDSON?Raymond Hudson is a dedicated leader with over 15 years of experience in ministry, education, and community development. He has passionately served in various pastoral roles, focusing on creating welcoming spaces where people of all backgrounds can grow in their faith, discover their purpose, and impact their communities. In addition to his ministry work, Raymond has led numerous initiatives in education, partnering with schools to support underserved families, championing Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) programs, and mentoring educators to foster culturally responsive classrooms. His heart for empowering others is evident in his work, where he consistently prioritizes equity, collaboration, and innovation to help individuals and organizations thrive. Raymond has been married to his wife Rachel for 17 years, and together, they are the proud parents of four amazing children. As a family, they are deeply committed to faith, service, and creating meaningful connections with those around them. Raymond’s leadership is guided by his passion for helping people maximize their potential, both spiritually and practically, to make a lasting impact in their communities.SPONSORSThanks to our sponsor: Generis.A generous church is a healthy, growing church. So, if you're ready to advance your mission, visit Generis.com/getstarted today!

Feb 4, 2025 • 43min
EP 034 | Sean Sears on Planter Pitfalls to Avoid for the Sake of Your Family and Church
In this episode of The Unfair Advantage Podcast, host David Hibiske welcomes back Sean Sears, a seasoned church planter from New England. Sean shares his powerful journey of balancing ministry with family life, including the lessons he learned after nearly losing his marriage during the early years of church planting. He offers profound insights into finding identity in Christ rather than ministry success, setting boundaries to prioritize family, and building healthy leadership that reflects God’s love. This honest and vulnerable conversation is packed with wisdom for planters navigating the challenges of ministry, family, and personal growth.Welcome to Episode 034 of The Unfair Advantage Podcast with David Hibiske.EPISODE LINKShttps://thatsgrace.orgDo ministry together! Three gatherings, nine planters, one cohesive journey. Check out the Ascent Leader Church Planter Cohorts. Get more information today at: https://theascentleader.org/cohorts/ WHO IS SEAN SEARS?Sean and Billie started Grace Church with their spiritually disconnected neighbors in the Fall of 2005. They sent out their first church plant in 2009 when they were only running 85 people in weekly attendance. Grace Church has launched a total of 11 other churches with 3 more coming in the next 9 months. Last weekend, 3000+ people attended one of Grace Church’s 4 locations with no ethnic demographic larger than 45%.SPONSORSThanks to our sponsor: Generis.A generous church is a healthy, growing church. So, if you're ready to advance your mission, visit Generis.com/getstarted today!

Jan 7, 2025 • 29min
EP 033 | 3 Societal and Church Conversations to be Aware of in 2025
In this episode of The Unfair Advantage, David Hibiske dives into three critical societal and church leadership conversations shaping the landscape in 2025. He unpacks the "Negative World Concept," the breakdown of the home and family, and the return to prayer and revival stirrings. This episode is a must-listen for church planters and leaders eager to navigate current challenges and seize opportunities for impactful ministry.Welcome to Episode 033 of The Unfair Advantage Podcast with Mike Hickerson and David Hibiske.EPISODE LINKSLife in the Negative World, by Aaron RennEpisode 20 of The Unfair Advantage Podcast: "Parenting and Planting"The Anxious Generation by Jonathan HaidtJohn Tyson’s Pray.NYC initiativeEpisode 23 of The Unfair Advantage: "Five Bold Convictions on Prayer for Every Church Planter"Do ministry together! Three gatherings, nine planters, one cohesive journey. Check out the Ascent Leader Church Planter Cohorts. Get more information today at: https://theascentleader.org/cohorts/ WHO IS DAVID HIBISKE?David Hibiske is the Pastor of Strategic Ministry Initiatives at Saddleback Church, located in Lake Forest, CA. He’s a husband, dad of three amazing kids, and on his time off he loves backpacking and exploring outdoors. Prior to Saddleback he was able to be a part of two church plants, and is passionate about helping ministry leaders reach their potential.SPONSORSThanks to our sponsor: Generis.A generous church is a healthy, growing church. So, if you're ready to advance your mission, visit Generis.com/getstarted today!

Dec 10, 2024 • 45min
EP 032 | Multiplying Church 101: The Essentials with Tyler Scott, James Grogan, and Danny Strange
In this episode of The Unfair Advantage, Sean welcomes Tyler Scott (CPC in Danville, CA), James Grogan (East Lake in Southern California), and Danny Strange (Three Crosses, Northern California) to explore the steps toward becoming a multiplying church. The discussion emphasizes the "crawl, walk, run" approach to church planting, sharing practical insights from each leader's experience. From embracing self-awareness and addressing organizational challenges to cultivating outward-focused leadership and partnerships, this episode is packed with actionable strategies for pastors and church leaders eager to impact their communities and beyond.Welcome to Episode 032 of The Unfair Advantage Podcast with today’s guest host, Sean Morgan!EPISODE LINKSExponential Conferences: ExponentialDo ministry together! Three gatherings, nine planters, one cohesive journey. Check out the Ascent Leader Church Planter Cohorts. Get more information today at: https://theascentleader.org/cohorts/ WHO IS TYLER SCOTT?Tyler serves as Lead Pastor at CPC (Community Presbyterian Church) in Danville. Tyler gets to pastor the church that he grew up in! He is a graduate of De La Salle High School, UCLA (B.A.), Pepperdine University (M.B.A.), and Fuller Theological Seminary (M.Div.). Tyler has served as a pastor at CPC since 2012. Tyler has been married to Bridget for 18 years. She’s an amazing wife, mom, and friend (and chiropractor). Together, they have three bold boys--Trevor (15), Owen (13) and Cole (11). WHO IS JAMES GROGAN?James is the Lead Pastor at Eastlake Church, a growing movement of churches founded in Chula Vista, CA, which includes several locations in Southern California and Tijuana, Mexico. James is also a catalyst leader of the San Diego Church Plant Movement. He has worked in full-time local church ministry for over 25 years, with the last 19 spent on staff at Eastlake Church. James and his wife Rebecca have been married for 24 years and have 3 children of their own and have also served as foster parents for a few amazing children.WHO IS DANNY STRANGE?Danny Strange is currently beginning his third year as Senior Pastor of 3Crosses, a diverse church in the SF Bay Area (3crosses.org). Prior to serving as Senior Pastor, Danny spent 19 years on staff at 3Crosses, serving in various capacities since 2000. Born and raised in the East Bay, Danny currently lives in Castro Valley with his wife Jessica and six children (Jackson 14, Carter 12, Hudson 11, Brady 8, Harper 6 and Peyton 6).SPONSORSThanks to our sponsor: Generis.A generous church is a healthy, growing church. So, if you're ready to advance your mission, visit Generis.com/getstarted today!

Nov 12, 2024 • 49min
EP 031 | Jake and Kaelia Vayda on Launching Create Church in San Diego
Only four weeks post-launch, Jake and Kaelia open up about the joys and challenges of planting Create Church in an urban setting of San Diego. They share personal stories of faith, resilience, and the community that has rallied around them during both triumphant and painful times. This conversation covers the practicalities of church planting, lessons in leadership, and the importance of community support, making it an insightful listen for church planters and leaders alike.Welcome to Episode 031 of The Unfair Advantage Podcast with today’s guest host, Sean Morgan!EPISODE LINKSVisit Create Church to learn more about Jake and Kaelia’s work in San Diego.Follow Jake and Kaelia on Instagram for updates: @JakeVayda and @kaekae_janae.Do ministry together! Three gatherings, nine planters, one cohesive journey. Check out the Ascent Leader Church Planter Cohorts. Get more information today at: https://theascentleader.org/cohorts/ WHO ARE JAKE AND KAELIA?Jake and Kaelia are passionate about creating spaces of connection that help people act on their good intentions. As the lead pastors of Create Church in San Diego’s Arts District, they recently celebrated one of the largest grand openings in urban San Diego’s history. Their fresh approach to Christianity, currently being developed into a curriculum, resonates with a new generation by blending new language with holistic integration. Their vision of connection extends beyond the church through their real estate company, where they craft beautiful spaces for people to gather, grow, and feel at home. When they’re not creating spaces, you’ll find them on long walks, exploring open houses, or relaxing with the latest Dolby movie (reclining seats baby!). Jake and Kaelia both earned degrees from Point Loma University; Jake holds a Master’s in Ministry, while Kaelia earned a Bachelor’s in Christian Studies.SPONSORSThanks to our sponsor: Generis.A generous church is a healthy, growing church. So, if you're ready to advance your mission, visit Generis.com/getstarted today!

Oct 15, 2024 • 31min
EP 030 | Maximizing Your Preaching and Church Calendar for Momentum
In this episode, we explore the power of intentional church calendar planning to build momentum and maximize impact in your ministry. Your church calendar can be one of your greatest assets, but too often, we miss out on growth opportunities by failing to plan ahead or aligning our teams with our strategy.Welcome to Episode 030 of The Unfair Advantage Podcast with Mike Hickerson and David Hibiske.EPISODE LINKSUA28 - Align Your Ministry Plan to Your VisionUA23 - Setting the Tone for a Great Weekend ExperienceDo ministry together! Three gatherings, nine planters, one cohesive journey. Check out the Ascent Leader Church Planter Cohorts. Get more information today at: https://theascentleader.org/cohorts/ WHO IS DAVID HIBISKE?David Hibiske is the Pastor of Strategic Ministry Initiatives at Saddleback Church, located in Lake Forest, CA. He’s a husband, dad of three amazing kids, and on his time off he loves backpacking and exploring outdoors. Prior to Saddleback he was able to be a part of two church plants, and is passionate about helping ministry leaders reach their potential.SPONSORSThanks to our sponsor: Generis.A generous church is a healthy, growing church. So, if you're ready to advance your mission, visit Generis.com/getstarted today!

Sep 17, 2024 • 49min
EP 029 | Lenny Barber on Prioritizing Spiritual Health and Multi-Cultural Ministry
Don’t underestimate the power of a two-year-old church. Today’s conversation with Lenny Barber, Pastor and planter of The House Church in Ferguson, MO, reminds us of the importance of pastors’ spiritual health and purity of motives in planting. Discover how Pastor Lenny continues to build up a church with multicultural intentionality to welcome people into a space that reflects the diversity of their city.Welcome to Episode 029 of The Unfair Advantage Podcast with Mike Hickerson and David Hibiske.EPISODE LINKS@Lenny.BarberDo ministry together! Three gatherings, nine planters, one cohesive journey. Check out the Ascent Leader Church Planter Cohorts. Get more information today at: https://theascentleader.org/cohorts/ WHO IS LENNY BARBER?Lenny and Jennie met in Dallas and have been married for 20 years. They have four children – Aidyn 18, Leigh 16, Mykah 15, and Cross 12. They have been in ministry for over 25 years and are passionate about seeing communities transformed by the love of Jesus. Lenny was born and raised in St. Louis, and spent much of his time in and around Ferguson. After living in Texas for a few years, God called them back to St. Louis for full-time ministry. Lenny has worked in every area of St. Louis, from inner city to outskirt suburbs. But his heart has remained in the area where he grew up. They launched The House Church in 2022. They have a desire to see God’s people break down the walls of the church, figuratively, by being the church to those who may never step foot into the building. They have a strong conviction to impact the kingdom through discipleship; training and teaching believers to be leaders in their neighborhoods and community.SPONSORSThanks to our sponsor: Generis.A generous church is a healthy, growing church. So, if you're ready to advance your mission, visit Generis.com/getstarted today!

Aug 20, 2024 • 36min
EP 028 | You've Planted, Now What? How to Bring Alignment to Your Church
“We’re not after control…we’re after a common goal.” In today’s episode, David Hibiske guides us through eight steps of aligning your ministry after you’ve launched. It’s one thing to be busy, and it can be an entirely different thing to be effective. We’re reminded in today’s episode that we’re not after busyness, but we’re after traction in our mission. Listen in for a ton of practical questions to ask each step of the way and helpful tools to get your ministry in alignment after you’ve launched.Welcome to Episode 028 of The Unfair Advantage Podcast with Mike Hickerson and David Hibiske.EPISODE LINKSThe Advantage, by Patrick LencioniGood to Great, by Jim CollinsDo ministry together! Three gatherings, nine planters, one cohesive journey. Check out the Ascent Leader Church Planter Cohorts. Get more information today at: https://theascentleader.org/cohorts/ WHO IS DAVID HIBISKE?David Hibiske is the Pastor of Strategic Ministry Initiatives at Saddleback Church. He grew up in Wilmington, NC before moving to Fort Worth, TX to attend Southwestern Seminary. David met his wife, Kendall, while in Seminary and they have two daughters, Ella and Avery, and one son, Andrew. After completing his Master of Divinity, David and Kendall moved to San Jose, CA to join the staff team at South Bay Church (now Echo Church). In 2022, God called them to head to Southern California and join the team at Saddleback Church where David now serves as Pastor of Strategic Ministry Initiatives. SPONSORSThanks to our sponsor: Generis.A generous church is a healthy, growing church. So, if you're ready to advance your mission, visit Generis.com/getstarted today!

Jul 23, 2024 • 43min
EP 027 | The Importance of Coaching & Mentorship in Church Planting
“If you feel like you have to choose, choose your family.” Coaching plays a crucial role in the success of your leadership. Today, we’re hearing from Ben Pilgreen and Ernest Smith as they discuss the ways coaching impacted more than the health of their churches…it has contributed to the health of their families. Welcome to Episode 027 of The Unfair Advantage Podcast with Mike Hickerson and David Hibiske.EPISODE LINKSDo ministry together! Three gatherings, nine planters, one cohesive journey. Check out the Ascent Leader Church Planter Cohorts. Get more information today at: https://theascentleader.org/cohorts/ WHO IS BEN PILGREEN?Ben Pilgreen is the founder and lead pastor of Epic Church in San Francisco, CA. Ben loves coaching leaders, whether in church or in business. Ben is the host of the Bring It Out podcast. Ben and his wife, Shauna, have four wonderful children and make their home in San Francisco. Read more at benpilgreen.com.WHO IS ERNEST SMITH?Ernest Smith didn’t grow up in the church, but when he was finally introduced to Jesus, he has sought to serve the Church ever since. He was on staff at Seacoast Church for over 15 years, where he led many ministries including Students, Family Ministry, College Ministry and Campus Pastor. In addition, Ernest was on the teaching team and a part of the executive team. During this same time, Ernest completed two master’s degrees and started his Doctorate of Ministry at Liberty University, which he finished in 2019. In 2013, Ernest and his family moved from Charleston, SC to Castle Rock, CO to start Front Range Church. Ernest has the honor of serving as the lead pastor of Front Range and getting to lead a great team of staff and volunteers toward reaching and impacting the community. He also serves as president of a mission’s organization called Bread of Life Mission and is an associate at The Slingshot Group. He has a great passion to help church leaders and teams establish healthy rhythms, create, and execute vision and develop leaders that will impact their ministry, church and community. Ernest has been married to his best friend, Sara, for 20 years and together they have two incredible kids, Wyatt and Waverly. In addition, their house is inhabited by a Yorkie (Pearl) and a French Bulldog (Winston). Together, the family loves to travel, play games and cheer on the Georgia Bulldogs.SPONSORSThanks to our sponsor: Generis.A generous church is a healthy, growing church. So, if you're ready to advance your mission, visit Generis.com/getstarted today!

Jun 25, 2024 • 48min
EP 026 | Tim Celek's Insights on Reviving the Call & Prioritizing Evangelism in Today's World
“Assignments change, but your calling doesn’t.” Meet Tim Celek, Senior Director of Post-Launch Services at Stadia. In today’s episode, guest host, Sean Morgan, leads a conversation with Tim to help us understand the nuances of calling and evangelism in the church today. You’ll hear what Tim has noticed trending in church planters within the last five years, and how to instill an evangelism mindset in the core of your church.Welcome to Episode 026 of The Unfair Advantage Podcast with Mike Hickerson and David Hibiske.EPISODE LINKShttps://stadia.org/tcelek@stadia.org@timcelek on InstagramDo ministry together! Three gatherings, nine planters, one cohesive journey. Check out the Ascent Leader Church Planter Cohorts. Get more information today at: https://theascentleader.org/cohorts/ WHO IS TIM CELEK?Tim lives in Costa Mesa, CA with his wife of 45+ years, Sue. In 1988, Tim planted The Crossing Church, and over 30 years had the opportunity to see The Crossing grow, reflect, and impact the coastal community of Orange County. On the church’s 30th birthday, Tim intentionally handed off leadership of The Crossing Church to a young leader and the church continues to thrive and grow. During Tim’s tenure, The Crossing Church had the opportunity to resource and breathe life into 5 new churches, because of this and the many people who poured life and courage into Tim, he desires to pay it forward to the next generation of church starters. Therefore, Tim now serves as Senior Director of Post-Launch Services at Stadia. He coaches, encourages, and guides church planters in leading thriving, growing, and multiplying churches. Tim enjoys Harley riding with Sue, as well as sail boating. When he isn’t on boats or motorcycles, he loves to spend time on E-bikes with his two grandsons, their moms, and his sons-in-law.SPONSORSThanks to our sponsor: Generis.A generous church is a healthy, growing church. So, if you're ready to advance your mission, visit Generis.com/getstarted today!


