

The Media Leader Podcast
The Media Leader
The Media Leader is the leading source of analysis, data, opinion and trends in commercial media and advertising.Hosted by senior reporter Jack Benjamin, we speak to senior industry leaders and rising stars about the key challenges media faces as part of our mission to stand up for courage, inclusion and excellence in media.Find out more at uk.themedialeader.com and subscribe to our daily newsletter.
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Apr 11, 2024 • 40min
'Forbesgate' and the trouble with MFA - with Nick Manning
Host Ella Sagar is joined by reporter Jack Benjamin and columnist and ex-media agency founder Nick Manning to discuss hot topics in the media industry from the past week.The trio examine the 'Forbesgate' scandal and the trouble marketers and publishers are having over efforts to tamp down on adspend being wasted on Made-For-Advertising sites.They also chat about March's box office figures, News Group Newspapers' latest financial results, and how publishers and influencers are experimenting with SMS to engage with audiences.Highlights:00:26: The row over defining what a "Made-For-Advertising" website is.09:52: What the Forbes-MFA scandal means for the state of the digital advertising market.23:05: Looking ahead to the Future of Brands and Future of Audio & Entertainment events.25:30: Quick hits: March box office; Vevo's shoppable TV formats; Havas Media Network UK's "Avengers"; publishers using WhatsApp; News Group Newspapers' mixed financial results---Visit The Media Leader for the most authoritative news analysis and comment on what's happening in commercial media. LinkedIn: The Media LeaderThreads: @TheMediaLeaderTwitter: @TheMediaLeader YouTube: The Media Leader

Apr 8, 2024 • 51min
Special series! The Future of Marketing with Bloomberg Media – Ep1: Multi-platform campaigns
Welcome to this special four-part series of the podcast, which we've produced with Bloomberg Media. For the first time, we've recorded the podcast in a studio, so you can also watch/listen on our YouTube channel.The Future of Marketing is a series of conversations about the essential strategies and skills needed for marketers and their teams to thrive in today's complex cross-platform ecosystem. Hosted by editor-in-chief Omar Oakes, each episode this month will bring together the buy side and sell side of media to discuss the opportunities and pitfalls in 2024 and beyond.Episode 1: Why multi-platform campaigns offer immense potential for expanding audience reachSteve Taylor, executive strategy director at VCCP Media, joins Bloomberg Media European managing director Duncan Chater to discuss why and how advertisers should make sense of the rapidly changing world of video and what marketers might be missing if they want a data-led approach to reaching new audiences.Conversation outline:Intro: how this series idea came aboutWhat’s new in 2024 for marketers who want to attract new audiences through the power of video?How can marketers be more strategic with the way they use data to target audiences across different channels?How can you execute cross-platform campaigns well in 2024 as audiences become more fragmented?What are the best ways to specifically reach new audiences?What are the best tools available and what do marketers need to know about them?Next week: 'How to master the impact of insights and data tools', with Havas Media's Jackie Lyons and Bloomberg Media's Phil Robinson.---Thanks, as always, to our production partners Trisonic for editing this episode and for producing this series, which was recorded at Create in London. Visit The Media Leader for the most authoritative news analysis and comment on what's happening in commercial media. LinkedIn: The Media LeaderThreads: @TheMediaLeaderTwitter: @TheMediaLeader YouTube: The Media Leader

Apr 4, 2024 • 28min
Sheffield ad ban, advertising on Discord and Truth Social's volatile IPO
Jack Benjamin is joined by Ella Sagar as they examine hot topics in the media industry from the past week.The pair delve into a recent ad ban instituted by Sheffield City Council and how it could impact the local OOH market. They also discuss Truth Social's IPO, Discord's foray into advertising and where best to place ads on Netflix.Highlights:1:23: Sheffield City Council's ban of advertising from “harmful and environmentally damaging" brands12:10: What is going on with Truth Social?16:17: More quick hits: Walmart's retail media expansion, ads on Discord, where to best place ads on Netflix, live-streaming podcasts to cinemas and how audio can increase its presence on the media plan---Visit The Media Leader for the most authoritative news analysis and comment on what's happening in commercial media. LinkedIn: The Media LeaderThreads: @TheMediaLeaderTwitter: @TheMediaLeader YouTube: The Media Leader

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Apr 2, 2024 • 48min
Should agencies scrap time-based charges? With The Business Model's Caroline Johnson
Caroline Johnson, Director and co-founder of The Business Model Company, discusses the need for media agencies to shift from time-based charges to outcome-based models. She emphasizes the importance of agencies repositioning themselves as consultants and providing value through results rather than hours worked. The podcast explores leadership challenges in business model transformation, the impact of outdated charging systems on talent and client partnerships, and the shift towards project-based and AI-driven models in the media industry.

Mar 28, 2024 • 43min
BBC's commercial future, election preview… and ads on the moon?
Outvertising's Cass Naylor joins host Ella Sagar and reporter Jack Benjamin to dissect BBC director-general Tim Davie's big speech about the BBC's commercial future and look ahead to how media and advertising will play its part in this year's UK general election.Highlights:3:20: The future of the BBC's commercial activities18:20: Which media channel will be a key 2024 election battleground?29:20: Quick hits: why Instagram is minimising political content; Reddit's IPO; Outsmart/KPMG's sustainability in advertising study; Spotify's move into educational content; and Astrolab's plan to put ads on the moon---Visit The Media Leader for the most authoritative news analysis and comment on what's happening in commercial media. LinkedIn: The Media LeaderThreads: @TheMediaLeaderTwitter: @TheMediaLeader YouTube: The Media Leader

Mar 25, 2024 • 32min
Does Snapchat want to be a destination for news? With Snap's Lucy Luke
“Less social media. More Snapchat.” That is the tagline to Snap’s latest marketing campaign. The company, founded in 2011 as an image-sharing app that deletes the pictures after a short time frame, has evolved into a more comprehensive product and clearly wants to separate itself from the perhaps toxic connotations of the label “social media”.One area where Snap looks increasingly distinct from its competitors like Facebook, which has wound down its support for news over the past year, is in its partnerships with news and lifestyle publishers that bring unique content to Snapchat users via the app’s Discovery page and Stories.Lucy Luke, Snap's UK head of partnerships, sits down with reporter Jack Benjamin to talk about the company's strategy of working with publishers and, increasingly, creators.The pair discuss Snap's level of commitment to supporting news on its platform, how publishers are having to adapt the way they present stories to appeal to younger audiences in short-form video formats and how Snap benefits from becoming a place for audiences to check in on news and lifestyle.Highlights:1:45: Why Snap's young audience appeals to publishers and vice versa8:30: A place for hard news, soft news or both12:39: Do journalists need to act more like creators to get news across on Snapchat?17:52: The role of news in Snap's commercial strategy20:30: A more hands-on approach to brand safety24:41: The future of partnerships for Snap – Olympics, Paralympics, 2024 elections and the growth in creators---This episode was edited by our production partner Trisonic.Visit The Media Leader for the most authoritative news analysis and comment on what's happening in commercial media. LinkedIn: The Media LeaderThreads: @TheMediaLeaderTwitter: @TheMediaLeader YouTube: The Media Leader

Mar 21, 2024 • 41min
A world without TikTok? Time for ads on the BBC? With Nicola Kemp
The Media Leader columnist and Creativebrief editorial director Nicola Kemp joins Omar Oakes and host Jack Benjamin for this candid discussion of the biggest stories in media and advertising this week.In recent days, there has been a renewed push to ban TikTok in the US, the BBC is considering adding ads to podcasts when they are accessed on commercial sites, the government has disallowed newspapers to be purchased by foreign governments and United Talent Agency’s Michael Kassan has left the company. And, believe it or not, Ofcom has once again found GB News in breach of its broadcasting code, but has not doled out a punishment. Highlights:0:50: Gender equality in the workplace and the need for action5:30: The impact of Michael Kassan's departure on the media industry10:40: What happens if TikTok is banned in the US25:45: Is the BBC right to enable ads for podcasts in the UK?34:30: Quick hits – The Telegraph sale; another GB News Ofcom breach; and Ofcom's "no shit, Sherlock" report about what children see on social media.---Visit The Media Leader for the most authoritative news analysis and comment on what's happening in commercial media. LinkedIn: The Media LeaderThreads: @TheMediaLeaderTwitter: @TheMediaLeader YouTube: The Media Leader

Mar 18, 2024 • 19min
What is the future of TV tech? Takeaways from the Connected TV World Summit
In a special edition of The Media Leader Podcast, editor-in-chief Omar Oakes and reporter Jack Benjamin report live from last week's Connected TV World Summit in London.The pair discuss a number of topics in the world of TV that cropped up at the conference, such as the development and increasing popularity of FAST channels, the importance of TV operating systems to creating discoverability for broadcasters, and how media planners and buyers should be considering TV and the broader medium of "video" in 2024.Also featured are snippets from throughout the day, including an interview with Sky Media' investment director Ruth Cartwright, a presentation by Wavemaker's chief strategy and planning officer Elliott Millard, and more.Read our coverage from the event, including on how broadcasters are replacing lost linear audiences for advertisers, the future of addressable TV, and whether streaming services should be bundled on our website at themedialeader.co.uk.Highlights:0:37: Highlights from Day 1: new remote controls; the importance of smart TV operating systems; subscription bundling.3:48: Sky's Ruth Cartwright on the importance of measurement and collaboration.5:00: Retail media has come to TV.6:31: Highlights from Day 2: How everything is "video" now.13:40: What is and isn't working in FAST.---Visit The Media Leader for the most authoritative news analysis and comment on what's happening in commercial media. LinkedIn: The Media LeaderThreads: @TheMediaLeaderTwitter: @TheMediaLeader YouTube: The Media Leader

Mar 14, 2024 • 37min
Publishers are going all in on audio and video – with Mail Metro Media's Dominic Williams
It is a challenging environment for publishers. That is no secret. Numerous publishers have had to lay off and restructure staff in recent months and, as traffic and revenue have been impacted in part by changes made by search and social media companies, as well as consumers continuing to move away from print, things have at times seemed quite dire.But when industries face challenge, it is always met with innovation. Publishers are actively exploring and testing new ways to create unique content and reach new and young audiences with video and audio products, on social and more.One such publisher is the Daily Mail, which has invested heavily into its AV production capacity in the past year.Mail Metro Media's chief revenue officer, Dominic Williams, sat down with Jack Benjamin to discuss the publisher's multimedia strategy in what is a key year for politics and sport.The pair talked about the Mail’s push into podcast and short- and long-form video; new subscription service Mail+; opportunities and challenges in selling ads in an election year; and the state of Metro’s post-pandemic recovery."This is the year for news. This is the year for trust," said Williams. "The whole world is going to the polls this year, so this is the year for content – and we've got the best content, we've got trusted content, we've got brand-safe content."Highlights:2:00: How Williams' career in media led him to Mail Metro Media8:10: What's behind the Mail's push into audio and video products13:13: The commercial strategy for selling podcast and video to clients19:18: Does this election year offer a challenge for a historically conservative-leaning newspaper?22:50: The Mail's new hybrid subscription offering and the importance of good UX28:35: Will Metro ever recover to pre-pandemic levels?---This episode was edited by our production partner Trisonic.Visit The Media Leader for the most authoritative news analysis and comment on what's happening in commercial media. LinkedIn: The Media LeaderThreads: @TheMediaLeaderTwitter: @TheMediaLeader YouTube: The Media Leader

Mar 11, 2024 • 22min
Yannick Bolloré: Why Vivendi wants to create 4 'cousin companies'
Yannick Bolloré, chairman and CEO of Havas and chairperson at Havas' parent group Vivendi, speaks to Omar Oakes about the company's financial earnings, in which it turned around a €1bn loss the previous year, and why Vivendi is considering creating four distinct "cousin companies", centred on Havas, Canal+, publishing and distribution.The interview also reveals:Bolloré's view on how Vivendi companies will integrateWhy he has committed to lead the company for another 11 yearsHis media hero and why he's passionate about advertising and mediaBolloré on…Restructuring: "It's easier to sell a company which is 100% owned by a private company than the listed company. So the idea is not at all to sell anything. It's because we believe in the potential of appreciation of each of our assets that we believe they will get better value."Innovation: "Innovation is one of the key ingredients of Havas' success. We have been funding innovation since forever, since always, whether it was digital, then data, tech and, today, artificial intelligence are a key path for us. And I think it's a key reason why we are one of the best performers in the entire advertising industry."Strategy: "Ten years ago, the industry was very siloed. It was not about holding companies, it was about networks with, most of the time, different names from the holding companies, and few people knew [those names]. And today, it's all about integration."---Visit The Media Leader for the most authoritative news analysis and comment on what's happening in commercial media.LinkedIn: The Media LeaderThreads: @TheMediaLeaderTwitter: @TheMediaLeader YouTube: The Media Leader


