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Little Pomona’s makers and founders, Susanna and James Forbes have a long history with libations. James worked as a wine buyer and marketer, while Susanna who started in physics became one of the UK’s leading libation writers. Her book Cider Insider will be released later this year. James is amazing and with Susanna who also did a spell as drinks editor of Imbibe magazine and as a member of the Guild of British Beer Writers. She used to go by the moniker Drink Britain! In this Cider Chat with Little Pomona From the city to country life in Herefordshire   The family of cider makers   Stepping out of the box with cider styles   The orchard at Little Pomona Little Pomona Ciders There is no doubt that these ciders are stepping out! Read: not your typical UK cider.   James’ background in wine is certainly influencing the profile of each cider produced.   If ever there was a cider that would be worthy of buying one now to drink and 5 more to cellar, Little Pomona is the cidery to choose.   Delicate, yet bold, each cider that I tasted during this chat was complex, tannic and not your typical UK cider.   Old Man and The Bees - 7.5% wild yeast cider Dabinet   Harry Masters Jersey   Foxswhelp   Ellis bitter   The Unicorn - a spontaneous keeved cider We “Shaked it to wake it” and then drank it in this chat! Lovely   Art of Darkness (2015)   Being released at the London Wine Fair on the 22nd of May 2018 go to (stand DB15) and find C’est Si Bon Bonnes (2016), a single barrel bottling   In July 2018 look for Perry Comma, a single barrel bottling in Pet Nat style form the 2017 vintage. The fruit came from a very ancient orchard close to Dymock in Gloucestershire.   In August, look for another Pet Nat with a blend of Dabinett (95%) and Ellis Bitter (5%) from the 2017 harvest, called For Those About to Rack. Contact the Fine Cider Company distributes Little Pomona ciders in the UK. Contact Little Pomona Website: http://www.littlepomona.com/   Telephone: +44 1885 410645   Email: mailto:enquiries@littlepomona.com   Address: Brook House Farm, Avenbury Ln, Bromyard HR7 4LB, United Kingdom Mentions in this chat Tom Oliver Olivers Cider and Perry   Mike Johnson - Ross on Wye Cider and Perry Co.   Simon Day - Once Upon a Tree   Hop Burns and Black - a London shop selling fine cider and craft libations   Burough wine and beers - stores   Imbibe magazine

Paul Vander Heide opened Vander Mill a cidery based in Spring Lake Michigan in 2008. Some might think that 3000 square feet is a good size for a start up cidery and they would be right. But as Paul reminisces in this chat, they had to expand quickly when they had to move outdoors to continue production. In 2016, a new location was open in Grand Rapids. Both locations have a Tap Room and Restaurant. Vander Mill makes both modern ciders and Heritage ciders. Go to 31:57 in the podcast to hear Paul discuss the question of what is a Heritage apple in the US. At CiderCon2018 Paul was elected as the new President of the United States Association of Cider Makers.  He is very optimistic about cider in America and speaks about embracing the diversity of makers in the US, which range from traditional, modern to a blend of both. For Vander Mill the consumers informed this maker on the styles that they make, says Paul “ It was the consumer that drove our business into a wide range of styles for Vander Mill. The cidery makes both Heritage and Modern ciders. And while the cider drinker’s palate slowly changes towards more subtle notes, Paul is not waiting on planting cider apple varieties. He credits Vander Mill’s partnership with a local grower who has put in a large block of cider apples for making the future look quite bright….or…er…full bodied and tannic. :) Find Vander Mill ciders, distributed in: Michigan Wisconsin Ohio Indiana Illinois Draft accounts throughout Michigan and Chicago with a sprinkling of draft accounts throughout the other states Contact Vander Mill Website: http://vandermill.com/ Spring Lake location Telephone: 616-842-4337 Address for Tap Room & Restaurant 14921 Cleveland Street Spring Lake Michigan, 49456 Hours: Sunday Brunch 10-2pm Wed & Thurs 2-9pm Fri 2-10pm Sat 11-10pm 2-4pm snacks, 4pm dinner starts Grand Rapids Tap Room, Restaurant & Production Telephone: 616-259-8828 Address for Tap Room & Restaurant 505 Ball Ave NE Grand Rapids, MI 49503 Hours: Sunday Brunch 9am-3pm Mon-Thurs 11am-11pm Fri-Sat 11am-12am Mentions in this chat 6-degrees of Cider - share the news on the Totally Cider Tour headed to Normandy France September 23-29, 2018 Allan Hyland maker at Door Peninsula Winery who sent a box of 3 ciders to Ria. Mimosa Modern Heritage Virtue Cider - view the unboxing of the Rosé ciders sent to Ria. Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio , Spotify and wherever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on Cider Chat's blog, social media and podcast Twitter @ciderchat Instagram: @ciderchatciderville Cider Chat FaceBook Page: https://www.facebook.com/ciderchat/ Cider Chat YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-ycYg46higvb5lH8C-WGXQ Ask for the following ciders - By supporting these cidermakers, you in turn help Cider Chat Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14 Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35 Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29 Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60 The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56 Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia Tanuki Cider Co. Santa Cruz California episode 103 Ross on Wye Cider and Perry, UK Process and Analytical NMR Services - John Edwards provides analytics of cider - stay tuned for his Chemical Fingerprints workshop coming up on Cider Chat Ironbark Ciderworks, Claremont, California Join the #ciderGoingUP Campaign today!   

Kirk Billingsley has been charmed by cider ever since he was a kid. Coming home from school he fondly remembers being mentored by his dad who had a barrel of sweet cider (non fermented apple juice) outside the family’s home in the same county of Highland where he still lives today. In 2015 he opened Big Fish Cider Company after making cider non commercially for 25 years in his home. This chat was recorded at CiderCon2018. Sarah Collins Simmons who works with Kirk also joined us and offered a great perspective on the orchard care of all the trees helping Big Fish make such delicious cider. Big Fish Apples Varieties at the main apple orchard Golden Russet Northern Spy Jonagold Ashmead Kernel Dolgo crab apples In total Big Fish has around 300 trees to pick from. Most, if not all, are heritage trees that were planted over a 100 years ago on farmland that was long forgotten. On any given day they are pressing 250 gallons of cider. Cidermaking technique used at Big Fish: Slow & cold ferment With an occasional bit of back sweetening because the apples are so acid (sweet helps to balance out the acid) Use small 2000 liter and 1000 liter tanks and Oxygen barrier IBC Big Fish has a Tasting Room The room is currently 400 square feet and has 3 tables and 12 chairs This year they are expanding the Tasting Room…maybe there will be 6 tables and 24 chairs. Kirk bought the building a while back. It was built in 1920 and built with wood called Wormy Chestnut Kirk’s Cidermaking Tip: Experiment with yeast Look at areas of the world that like the style of cider that you do. Contact for Big Fish Cider Company Website: http://www.bigfishcider.com/ eMail: info@bigfishcider.com Telephone: 540-468-2322 Address 59 Spruce Street Monterey, VA  24465 Where to stay when visiting Big Fish Cider Co? The Highland Inn Mentions in this Chat March Maple Festival http://www.highlandcounty.org/events/maple-festival/ The second and third weekend of the month each year. Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio , Spotify and wherever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on Cider Chat's blog, social media and podcast Twitter @ciderchat Instagram: @ciderchatciderville Cider Chat FaceBook Page: https://www.facebook.com/ciderchat/ Cider Chat YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-ycYg46higvb5lH8C-WGXQ Ask for the following ciders - By supporting these cidermakers, you in turn help Cider Chat Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14 Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35 Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29 Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60 The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56 Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia Tanuki Cider Co. Santa Cruz California episode 103 Ross on Wye Cider and Perry, UK Process and Analytical NMR Services - John Edwards provides analytics of cider - stay tuned for his Chemical Fingerprints workshop coming up on Cider Chat Ironbark Ciderworks, Claremont, California Join the #ciderGoingUP Campaign today! 

Poiré Fermier is French for Perry Farmer, which is only part of the story for the featured guest in this episode 123. Cidermaker Philippe and wife Marie-Claire Derouault also manage a herd of dairy cows who graze and laze among orchards of apples and pears on their 120 hectares (297 acres) situated in Loré, France. There are 14 Poiré producers in this region of southern Normandy and the Perry they make is known as Poiré Domfront. Here Calvados is made with a base of Poiré rather than cider. The standard is to have up to 70% Poiré in this region's Calvados which has the following appellations an AOC or Appellation d’Origine Contrôlée (since 2002), an AOP(*) or Appellation d’Origine Protégée, is equivalent to the AOC in Europe (since 2006). Pears used in this region Normandy Plant de Blanc - up to 40% of the juice for Poiré must come from this pear. Rouge Vigné Gros Blot Plant Roux De Cloche Gaubert Here the pear trees are hundreds of years old. Notably, Pear trees were already growing in Normandy in the 11th century, before the cider apples arrived via Northern Spain. Come explore this region of France, meet the maker and drink Poiré and Cidre with Cider Chat Host Ria Windcaller via the Totally Cider Tour to Normandy September 23-29, 2018. Philippe and Marie-Claire's farm "Earl du Bois" is on the tour! Reservations at totallycider.com Early Bird Registration ends April 30, 2018 Mentions in this chat Center for Rural Affairs - matching young farmers with farm land Cider Festivals Huon Valley Mid Winterfest - Tasmania - Australia July 13-15, 2018 Cider Expo - Caen, France July 7, 8, 9, 2018 Cider Competitions May 5, 2018 23rd Annual Boston Homebrew (...and cider & mead) Competition May 16, 2018 - International Cider & Perry, Hereford UK May 16-19, 2018 Great Lakes International Cider and Perry competition Ask for the following ciders - By supporting these cidermakers, you in turn help Cider Chat Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14 Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35 Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29 Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60 The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56 Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia Tanuki Cider Co. Santa Cruz California episode 103 Ross on Wye Cider and Perry, UK Process and Analytical NMR Services - John Edwards provides analytics of cider - stay tuned for his Chemical Fingerprints workshop coming up on Cider Chat Join the #ciderGoingUP Campaign today!  Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio , Spotify and wherever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on Cider Chat's blog, social media and podcast Twitter @ciderchat Instagram: @ciderchatciderville Cider Chat FaceBook Page Cider Chat YouTube  

Find this episode with photos and show notes and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Cider enthusiast Michel Dargent hosted  Ria at his home in September 2017. Monsieur Dargent is a cider aficionado, making the two night stay at his gîte (bed & breakfast) the perfect stop on Ria’s cider tour of Normandy. Listen in on this intimate conversation as we discuss the ancient pear trees in the Domfront region, blood sausage and a very special cidermaker. Monsieur Dargent made the evening dinner with all local products from a nearby farm and served each dish with a cider (cidre) and perry (poiré). Régis Angot, the maker, will be one of the stops on the upcoming Totally Cider Tour to Normandy September 23 -29, 2018. Click here to for reservations. Mentions in this Chat Blog: Wild Child Cellars | #ciderGoingUP in Turners Falls Massachusetts Episode 20: Curt Sherrer | Millstone Cellars, Maryland Graft Cider, New York Cider Competitions: May 5, 2018 23rd annual Boston Homebrew (...and cider & mead) Competition May 16, 2018 - International Cider & Perry, Hereford UK May 16-19, 2018 Great Lakes International Cider and Perry competition Join the #ciderGoingUP Campaign today!  Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode with photos and show notes and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio , Spotify and wherever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on Cider Chat's blog, social media and podcast Twitter @ciderchat Instagram: @ciderchatciderville Cider Chat FaceBook Page Cider Chat YouTube    

Tieton Cider Works was founded by Marcus Roberts and is based in Yakima Washington. Tieton works with Harmony Orchards which has 55 acres of cider apples and perry pears. Marcus who takes a scientific approach to making cider and perry, is the General Manager of Tieton Cider Works overseeing both a modern and traditional approach to cider making. In this chat Marcus shares how Tieton using the technique called keeving to make Perry. Why make Keeved Cider or Perry? Keeving provide a sweet profile without needing to add sugar (back sweetening) when bottling. Growing Perry Pears Tieton has eight different varieties of Perry Pears and uses a trellis system for the pear trees. Marcus is testing the old adage “growing pears for your heirs” finding that by using a trellis system for growing in 4 years, the trees grew 12 feet! Tieton plants trees 12 feet across and 5 feet between trees - a 12 x 5 trellis system The limbs are trained down the wire on the trellis system. Picking Perry Pears Color pick the pears. Pick when green- which Marcus says they develop more aroma when stored. Versus picking it “dead ripe” on the tree. Marcus monitors the pear to see if the pear turning yellow on the outside. Once ripe, they must be pressed within 24 hours to avoid the pears turning to mush. Tieton Perry Making methods Macerate over the course of 24 hours - for the tannin structure. Leaves the pulp on the juice. Marcus says, “Some of the tannins are solvable. By leaving tannins on the juice during the process of Maceration the tannins become more supple. This is what we are going for.” Once done, Tieton then goes through the keeving process with the perry. Managing citric acid when making perry. Manage the bacterias that produce acetic bacteria by temperature control. Tieton manages it by temperature control. around 34 degrees Fahrenheit. It took 5 months to drop 5 brixs at that temperature. When it the peak time to drink a high tannin Perry. Tannin helps the perry or cider age very slowly can cellar for a longer time and will have the tendency to get better over time. Contact Tieton Cider Works Website: https://tietonciderworks.com email: info@tietonciderworks.com Phone: 509-571-1430 Address: 619 South J Street Yakima, WA 98902 Mentions in this Chat Totally Cider Tour - September 23-29, 2018 - Normandy France Reservations 23rd Annual Boston Homebrew Competition May 5, 2018 Great Lakes International Cider and Perry (GLINTCAP) competition May 16-19, 2018 Ask for the following ciders - By supporting these cidermakers, you in turn help Cider Chat Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14 Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35 Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29 Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60 The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56 Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia Tanuki Cider Co. Santa Cruz California episode 103 Ross on Wye Cider and Perry, UK Process and Analytical NMR Services - John Edwards provides analytics of cider - stay tuned for his Chemical Fingerprints workshop coming up on Cider Chat Join the #ciderGoingUP Campaign today!  Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio , Spotify and wherever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on twitter @ciderchat  

Noble Cider in Asheville, North Carolina opened in 2013 after Trevor Baker lost his job in online retail. He wasn’t a cidermaker at the time, but he and his wife Joanna both enjoyed drinking cider. After taking a cidermaking course with Peter Mitchell at WSU Mount Vernon, he delved straightaway into getting his own commercial cidery with his wife and business partner Lief Stevens. Noble was started with around 17 grand! Having a “good business plan with a good business model” says Trevor, “Helped us secure an economic development loan of $40,000." Before Noble became fully permitted they juiced apples and froze them in IBC totes, which are large plastic containers used throughout Ciderville around the globe for making cider. The Tasting Room and production facility is a little outside of downtown Asheville, but this summer there will be a brand new Tasting Room right in the heart of the city. Expect 20 taps that include 6 beers and seasonal small batch ciders at the current location Noble makes both modern ciders and traditional ciders. Both can be enjoyed in the Tasting Room and be bought in bottles to go. The modern cider made year round at Noble The flagship cider is a called The Standard Bearer. It is a crisp, dry cider at 6.9% Village Tart - Cherry Cider Spice Merchant - Chai Cider Golden Arrow - Ginger Cider There is a spring seasonal Blueberry with honey and rosemary In 2017 the Noble Team began planting heirloom trees - Harrison, Wickson, Roxbury Russets and others Annual production is around 100,000 gallons a year, up from 2000 gallons the first year. Contact Noble Cider Website: www.NobleCider.com Phone number: 828-575-9622 Address 356 New Leicester Highway Asheville, NC 28806 Mentions in this Chat Spoke + Spy - Middletown, Connecticut cidery with Ron and Kimberly Sansome Ciderthon - April 29th in the UK - a run that includes drinking cider along the way Totally Cider Tours: Normandy September 23-29, 2018   Ask for the following ciders - By supporting these cidermakers, you in turn help Cider Chat Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14 Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35 Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29 Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60 The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56 Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia Tanuki Cider Co. Santa Cruz California episode 103 Ross on Wye Cider and Perry, UK Process and Analytical NMR Services - John Edwards provides analytics of cider - stay tuned for his Chemical Fingerprints workshop coming up on Cider Chat Join the #ciderGoingUP Campaign today!  Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio , Spotify and wherever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on twitter @ciderchat  

Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Prevention & Correction of Sulfur-Off Odors in Cider Production was presented by Rebecca deKramer, cider specialist at Scott Laboratories at CiderCon2018. Become an eCiderNews subscriber to download the Power Point Presentation that goes along with this presentation. Click download This chat begins at approximately 9 minutes in. Rebecca presents on the following topics Defining Sulfur-Off Odors Causes of Sulfur-Off Odors Methodologies for preventing Sulfur-Off Odor formation Methodologies for correcting Sulfur-Off Odors What kind of strains of yeast to use Temperature for fermentation How much yeast to use? Chemical Elements impacting cider Sulfur - H2S (hydrogen sulfur) mercaptans from by the break down of certain amino acids if they oxidize, Dimethyl sulfide (DMS) or methylthiomethane is an organosulfur compound with the formula (CH3)2S can be produced. DMS is aromatic and can not easily be removed by copper - Rebekka speaks on the use of copper to remove specific odors The first thing to do for off odor - sulfur aireate the most simplest technique to control off odors? Rack cider off of the gross lees If at the end of fermentation the cider is producing off odors, "simply stirring the gross lees into solution can help." Most common factor contributing to sulfur off odors? the yeast being stressed Rebekka's recommendation - "Have happy yeast. If you have happy yeast, you will have a good fermentation. If you have unhappy yeast they will make your life hell." Orchards that use a sulfur based spray for orchard control. Depending upon the timing of the spray it could leave residual copper on the apple, that can affect the cider. Additional cider and cider yeast considerations The more clarified or concentrated the juice will affect the fermentation as it will have less nutrients for the yeast. Canning cider can make cider suspectible to oxygen as can some screws caps 24:16 - Fermentation Indigenous Fermentations or using wild yeast. Rebekka recommends management via nutrient control, because you do not know what yeast is in the driver seat. "It is a leap of faith" Commercial Pitch - there are numerous options, but make sure to follow the manufacturer's recommendations. If you have no temperature control for fermentation, avoid yeast that require temperature control. Do not under inoculate.  The chances are high that you will have a stressed yeast if you do not follow the manufacturer's recommendations. rehydrate dry yeast before pitching - to nurture a happy yeast environment Treat as soon as you start smelling an off flavor Use the Penny Test for finding H2S. Drop a 1984 or earlier penny into a glass of cider and see if it removes the H2S. will H2s or a mercaptan It responds instantly. If it doesn't respond Rebekka says that the cider is likely in a desulfite form treat with asorbic acid to reduce Make sure it is a penny that is as old as 19 Contact Scott Laboratories Website: http://www.scottlab.com/ email: info@scottlab.com  Telephone: 707- 765-6666 Mentions in this Chat ciderGoingUp Campaign  Ross on Wye Cider and Perry Company John Edwards - Chemical Fingerprints in Cider presented at CiderCon2018 will be posted soon - Stay tuned. John's business: Process and Analytical NMR Services Ask for the following cideries and businesses- By supporting these cidermakers, you in turn help Cider Chat Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14 Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35 Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29 Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60 The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56 Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia Tanuki Cider Co. Santa Cruz California episode 103 Ross on Wye Cider and Perry, UK Process and Analytical NMR Services - John Edwards provides analytics of cider - stay tuned for his Chemical Fingerprints workshop coming up on Cider Chat Join the #ciderGoingUP Campaign today!  Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio , Spotify and wherever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on twitter @ciderchat

The main chat with Gitche Gumee begins at 12:00 minutes. Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! _________________________________ Cider pairs well with food, especially Ethiopian dishes that have spicy overtones. In this chat, Phillip Kelm and I were both attending CiderCon2018 in Baltimore thus the opportunity to dine at Ebenezer’s Ethiopian Restaurant and chat cider. This restaurant was chosen because it offered a Bring Your Own Bottle (BYOB) option. I wanted to be able to try Phillip’s bottle of Entropy while dining. Phillip begins with a pour of the “wild ferment” Entrophy. We delve into his early beginnings in fermentation science... He started fermenting when he was 16 saying, “I couldn’t buy beer, but could buy a beer kit.” .. something that Phillip learned in Mother Earth News. He became a mechanical engineer and first worked in the nuclear industry before moving onto brewing. For most of his career he has been setting up brewing systems around the world via his business Gitche Gumee Brewing Services, a worldwide brewery installation & engineering business. He also manages the Palau Brewing Company, home of Red Rooster Beers. Currently he is working on a cidery in India and is a partner at the South Korean cidery, The Hand and Apple. Our dinner was primarily focused around his cidery based in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula called Gitche Gumee Ciderworks, where he makes what he called “feral ciders”.  Apples used at Gitche Gumee Foragers bring the apples to the cidery and Phillip in turns produces cider. He pays .20/pound of apples. They are collecting apples by the ton. Says Phillip, “There is no [apple] pedigree - they are wild chance seedlings.” Cidermaking technique used for the Entropy no sulfites no water no yeast no sugar Using French oak barrels. The cider is left to do its own thing in the right environment. Additional cider making notes Select only the best fruit Only the best skin No maceration Rack over the lees By February the cider is out of stainless after it has been racked off the lees at least 2 times already Leave the yeast behind to starve. Managing Wild Fermentation Make sure that the fruit is “solid and ripe” Apples are matured for at least a few days or a week Contact Gitche Gumee Ciderworks Website: http://www.gitchegumeeciderworks.com/ Address: 350 N Lincoln Drive Hancock, MI 49930 Mentions in this chat Threadbare Cider and Mead Totally Cider Tour: Normandy - September 23 - 29, 2018 contact ria@ciderchat. com to reserve your space on this upcoming trip. Ask for the following ciders - By supporting these cidermakers, you in turn help Cider Chat Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14 Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35 Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29 Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60 The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56 Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg s Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia Tanuki Cider Co. Santa Cruz California episode 103 Join the #ciderGoingUP Campaign today!  Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio , Spotify and wherever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on twitter @ciderchat  

Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. ______________________________ In 2000 Rob Miller and his family moved to Frederick County, Maryland after having bought the property that is now called Distillery Lane Ciderworks via an auction. With cider on their mind they immediately got to work creating an 11 acre orchard by planting apple trees In 2010, Distillery Lane Ciderworks began selling "hard cider" commercially. Some of the varieties found in the orchard. Tremlett's Bitter Bulmers Norman Porters Perfection Kingston Black Visiting Distillery Lane Ciderworks This cidery does offer tours. Golf flags are set up throughout the orchard where you can stop and read about apple and cidermaking. Stop in an shop - there is a cider store where you can try samples of nearly all the ciders made. Where to find/buy Distillery Lane ciders? Baltimore and DC Virgnina West Virginia Pennsylvania Tour the orchards and stop at any one of the "golf course" flags that have fun apple facts and geology info at each stop Contact for Distillery Lane Ciderworks Website: www.distillerylaneciderworks.com  Address: 5533 Gapland Road Jefferson, MD 21755 Telephone: 214-683-7052 Mentions in this chat DayCider in British Columbia - 120 year old pear orchard covering 85 acres. Follow on Instagram @daycider Fenceline Cider 141 South Main Street, Unit C, Mancos, Colorado website http://fencelinecider.com/ Urban Tree Cidery 1465 Howell Mill Rd NW, Ste 100 Atlanta GA 30318 website: http://urbantreecidery.com/ Ask for the following ciders - By supporting these cidermakers, you in turn help Cider Chat Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14 Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35 Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29 Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60 The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56 Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg. Big Fish Cider Co. Virginia Tanuki Cider Co. Santa Cruz California episode 103 Join the #ciderGoingUP Campaign today!   Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio , Spotify and wherever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on twitter @ciderchat