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176: We Like Cider In this episode we begin with: News out and about in Ciderville - Thank you Nathan for becoming a patron of Cider Chat. Nathan is part of Harcourt Apples based in Australia approximately 11/2 hours outside of Melbourne. Audio Snap Shots from the Totally Cider Tour Monterey Bay | California, that took place April 12th and 13th. We begin with John Martinelli of S. Martinelli Co. Totally Cider Tour group portrait outside S. Martinelli's Co. John Martinelli's inside the Watsonville plant Then : Robby Honda of Tanuki Cider Nicole Todd of Santa Cruz Cider Co Jake Mann of Five Mile Orchard Eric Rider and Katie Rider of Rider Ranch Cider Pete Serventi of Serventi Cider Laura Everett of Soquel Cider   Extended versions of a few of these audio snap shots will be posted on the Cider Chat Patreon page. Become a patron and help keep ciderGoingUP and get these exclusive audios conversations from the Totally Cider Tour to Monterey Bay, California. Cider Flight w: Tanuki & Santa Cruz Cider Co. Jake Mann of Five Mile Orchard Eric and Katie Rider of Rider Ranch Cider ] Serventi Cider Tour and Tasting Laura Everett - Soquel Cider Debuting “We Like Cider” a new cider anthem to sing a long with on this episode. We Like Cider Lyrics: There is a reason why we do it like this There is a reason why we do it like this There is a reason why we drink it like this There is a reason why we drink it like this We like Cider We like Pommes We like Orchards And having fun We like walking in the orchard Dancing through the streets Smelling all the blossoms Kicking up our feet Next Totally Cider Tour: Normandy France September 22-28, 2019  

Part 2 of a two part series with a Question and Answer (Q & A) on Beginner Cider Making with 5 panelists in the cider industry Marcus Robert - Tieton Cider Works, Washington Tim Godfrey - Golden State Cider, California Eleanor Leger - Eden Specialty Cider, Vermont Brent Myles - Slye Clyde Cider, Virginai Ben Calvi - Vermont Cider Co, Vermont Listen to Part 1 of this Q & A recorded at CiderCon2019 in episode 174 (ltor), Marcus Robert, Tim Godfrey, Eleanor Leger, Brent Myles, Ben Calvi. Topics covered in Part 2: Plastic vs Stainless for fermenting or storing cider Can you make money being a commercial maker? What is the best cider style to offer - 3 to 4 core ciders or 8? Where to locate a cidery Take out a loan or go full into cidermaking? - use Kickstarter What is the most crucial piece of lab equipment to have starting out. Hydrometer and Thermometer Sending samples to a lab PH meter Titration kit Filtration Fermentation temperatures Michelle Pagano - at the microphone Mentions in this Chat 168: Barrel Aging Cider Inspiration 170 Is the Cider in your cup Dry or Sweet? 171: Americans in Paris | Cider Tourist Speak 172: Cider Tasting with Eric Bordelet 173: Aomori to Nagano | InCiderJapan - with Lee Reeve - find the link to subscribe to InCiderJapan Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio , Spotify and wherever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on Cider Chat's blog, social media and podcast Twitter @ciderchat Instagram: @ciderchatciderville Cider Chat FaceBook Page Cider Chat YouTube

A Question and Answer (Q & A) on Beginner Cider Making with 5 panelists in the cider industry Marcus Robert - Tieton Cider Works, Washington Tim Godfrey - Golden State Cider, California Eleanor Leger - Eden Specialty Cider, Vermont Brent Myles - Slye Clyde Cider, New York Ben Calvi - Vermont Cider Co, Vermont (ltor), Marcus Robert, Trey Godfrey, Eleanor Leger, Brent Myles, Ben Calvi.[/caption] Pre-recorded at CiderCon2019 in Chicago This is Part 1 or a 2 Part series on Beginner Cider Making questions answered by cider industry pros. Q & A topics: What is cider? “Fermented fruit juice of apples” says Eleanor Leger Wish I knew then what I know now... Marketing “You are going to learn to make cider, but to be able to sell it…” Marcus Robert Breweries getting into cider Managing residual sugar in the bottle for packaging. - a huge range of answers on this topic Can you use sulfites? The challenge for small cidermakers The down fall of Potassium Sorbate in the natural market Contract Fermenting to test product Ice Cider - “if I use a freezer am I cheating?” Stabilizing an ice cider Yeast strain for ice ciders Cryo concentration Is using a freezer considered cheating  In the US you can not label it as Ice Cider - it can be called "Iced Cider". Mentions in this Chat http://ciderchat.com/121-marcus-robert-tieton-ciderworks-wa/ http://ciderchat.com/cidernomics/ http://ciderchat.com/totallycidernormandy/ Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio , Spotify and wherever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on Cider Chat's blog, social media and podcast Twitter @ciderchat Instagram: @ciderchatciderville Cider Chat FaceBook Page Cider Chat YouTube Join the #ciderGoingUP Campaign today! 

173: Aomori to Nagano | inCiderJapan Lee Reeve is the Publisher and Editor of the quarterly magazine inCiderJapan, the country’s first and only bilingual magazine dedicated to all things cider. Lee and I recorded a chat while attending CiderCon2019 in Chicago. Lee Reeve w:Tekikaka Cidre He came ready to pour a selection of Japanese ciders from makers in two primary regions in the country or what are caller Prefectures - Aomori and Nagano. We discuss: Lee’s goals for inCiderJapan Develop the Japanese Market Connect with the Japanese makers Communicate to the outside world what is happening in Japan How to recover the loss of revenue in apple production Getting people to come back to the rural apple growing regions of Aomori and Nagano The growing Japanese cider market Japan's Bullet Trains and how it gets from one region to another No public drinking laws in Japan - you can walk about with open containers. The drinking age in Japan is 20 years old The aging maker community in Japan Encouraging makers to offer smaller bottles for consumers - moving from a 750ml bottle to a 375 format Average price for a 750 ml of cider $20. Offering a smaller bottle size entices consumers to reach for a bottle on the shelf due to the price point and the cider or cider brand, being for now an unknown product And taste a cider from Tekikaka What is new for Lee beside all of the above? He is in partnership with Jeremy Stunt of Authentic Cider and they are looking to bring cider to Japan from Tom Oliver, Pilton, Little Pomona, Hallets, and more…Stay Tuned! Contact info for Lee Reeve Go to inCiderJapan Here you can find out the latest news on cider in Japan Sign up for the quarterly paper inCiderJapan Buy a t-shirt and showcase your international know how - the t-shirts rock!!! Upcoming Cider Events in Japan May 25th - The Nagano Cider Collection with a surprise super secret cider maker from Australia July 21st  - The Tokyo Cider Collection Mentions in this Chat April 3rd Ethic Cider Event in Petaluma California May 5th-6th - Big Apple Blossom Festival - UK Totally Cider Tours rolling out in 2019: Monterey Bay, California April 12th & 13th, 2019 Normandy, France September 22nd - 28th, 2019, Early Bird end March 31, 2019 New England Cider Tour - October 31, 2019 - stay tuned for tour info in May 172: Tour and Tasting with Eric Bordelet 20+ minute Bonus audio clip with Eric Bordelet on cider making from press to bottle. Become a Patron today via Cider Chat's Patreon page 168: Barrel Aging Cider Inspiration | Ryan Monkman 40+ minute Q&A with Ryan Bonus audio clip - this is a Patron only listen. Become a Patron today via Cider Chat's Patreon page  

172: Cider Tasting with Eric Bordelet Audio snapshots of a tasting and tour w/Eric Bordelet and the tour group visiting Normandy France in September 2018. The first Totally Cider Tour to roll out took a group of super awesome people to makers both on the Route du Cidre in Pays d’Auge and to the south region of Normandy called Domfrontais. This chat features an afternoon visit to Eric's cidery. Group photo on the roof of the Castle at Eric Bordelet's Domaine We begin with: A meet and greet. Eric asked to hear each person on the tour's job or what they do at home. Very kind and personable. We walked over to the Castle that Eric is having rebuilt - it burned down many years ago and is an huge rebuilding of epic proportions. We spoke a bit about terroir and Eric encouraged us look to the trees that are already growing in our area. Listen to Jérôme Dupont’s chat as he like Eric also encourages makers to look to their local varieties too - words well spoken. We move onto the cidery - not inside the cidery. He strategically does not bring large groups in - one because he doesn’t like to reveal all his trade secrets - and too to keep the area clean. However, he was quite transparent in discussing the first stages of working with the juice and filtration. I cut this audio section out and will be posting it to the Cider Chat Patreon page. Become a patron of Cider Chat and get this clip and other bonus audio and more, by supporting Cider Chat today We finish this chat in the Tasting Room We go through a number of cidres and poirés - Plus a new product called Cormé (Sorbus Domesticus). 1 of only 1000 bottles made in 2017 Want to visit Eric and other fantastic makers in Normandy? We are going on this trip again and will have a visit to Eric’s domaine and later that same day a cider dinner with Eric too. Cider Tour dates: September 22-28, 2019 Go to http://ciderchat.com/totallycidernormandy/ Mentions in this Chat Cider Competition - BigE - entry deadline May 5th August 30th - September 1st, 2019 3 day cider fest with camping in the orchard https://rosscider.com/ciderfest/ 171: Americans in Paris | Cider Tourist Speak 012: Randall Grahm | Bonny Doon Vineyard, CA April 12th and 13th - Monterey Bay Cider Tour Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio , Spotify and wherever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on Cider Chat's blog, social media and podcast Twitter @ciderchat Instagram: @ciderchatciderville Cider Chat FaceBook Page Cider Chat YouTube

171: Americans in Paris | Cider Tourists Speak In late September 2018, a group of cider travelers met with the producers of Pays d'Auge and Domfrontais, two regions of cider and perry making in Normandy, France. They were out to taste Normandy and see the landmark sights of this western region of France that abuts the English Channel. They were on the inaugural Totally Cider Tour to France with me, Ria, their host and  curator of this epic journey. 1 of our cider fueled lunches - and this was the main course after a hefty app of Quiche and salad.- Normandy 2018 We spent a cider fueled week having what can only be called a gastronomic journey into the heart of Normandy. On the way back to Paris on the final leg of our journey I recorded each traveler's highlights for this episode 171. Listen to Greg, Marcus, Akina, David, Storie, Matt, Al S., Al St., Bobby, Taryn, Eryn and Michael. ] Akina our mother in waiting enjoying Perry juice. Totally Cider Tours rolling out in 2019: Monterey Bay, California April 12th & 13th, 2019 Normandy, France September 22nd - 28th, 2019, Early Bird end March 31, 2019 New England Cider Tour - October 31, 2019 - stay tuned for tour info in May Mentions in this Chat @southciders - bracket challenge 168: Barrel Aging Cider Inspiration | Ryan Monkman 40+ minute Q&A with Ryan Bonus audio clip - this is a Patron only listen. Become a Patron today via Cider Chat's Patreon page Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio , Spotify and wherever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on Cider Chat's blog, social media and podcast Twitter @ciderchat Instagram: @ciderchatciderville Cider Chat FaceBook Page Cider Chat YouTube [app_audio src="http://ciderchat.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/171-Amerians-in-Paris-Cider-Tourist-Speak.mp3"]

A "Dryness scale" as presented by the New York Cider Association The session was pre-recorded at CiderCon2019 Goals of this session: Slide 1 A Sensory Workshop on Perceptions of Dryness/Sweetness in Ciders This session was a structured sensory analysis of ten commercial New York apple ciders. Participants tasted anonymous ciders of predetermined sugar/acid/tannin contents. They were assigned to rate each on a 0-to-4 graphic scale from Dry to Sweet, based on its perceived dryness/sweetness. The workshop data will be discussed, compiled and analyzed to test the usefulness of quantitative systems like the one proposed by the New York Cider Association, intending to inform retail cider consumers about their likely perceptions and preferences in choosing ciders. Participation was limited to 75 people. The presentation/tasting was led by Jen Smith the Executive Director of the New York Cider Association Here are the slides presented during this seminar providing an overview of this session's track. ] Slide 2] Slide 3 Slide 4 Slide 5 Slide 6 Slide 7 Slide 8 Slide 9 Contact for New York Cider Association Executive Director: Jennifer Smith Website: https://www.newyorkciderassociation.com/ Contact form: https://www.newyorkciderassociation.com/contact Mentions in this Chat CraftCon - April 5, 2019 at Pereshore College, UK  http://www.thethreecountiesciderandperryassociation.co.uk/craftcon-2019-to-shine-spotlight-on-craft-cidermaking/ Ross Cider Festival 2019 - August 30-September 1, 2019. Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio , Spotify and wherever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on Cider Chat's blog, social media and podcast Twitter @ciderchat Instagram: @ciderchatciderville Cider Chat FaceBook Page Cider Chat YouTube

A History of Alcohol Law as presented by Marc Sorini at CiderCon2019, Chicago Attorney Marc Sorini is a Partner at McDermott Will & Emery LLP based in Washington. DC. Marc is considered the go-to attorney on the alcohol beverage industry. He works with the United States Association of Cider Makers and presented this Historical Overview at the CiderCon luncheon on February 7, 2019 in Chicago. Beside the History of Alcohol, Marc speaks at Trade Conferences on The Intersection of Spirits and Marijuana The Ban on Consignment Sales and an ongoing speakers schedule on topics relatable to the wine, beer, spirits and cider industry. Marc Sorini is on the list of: The Best Lawyers in America, 2011 to 2019 “Lawyer of the Year” for Food and Beverage Law in Washington DC in 2015 and 2018 In this presentation Marc Sorini discussed the historic development of the current legal structure regulating alcohol beverage businesses. The origins of “tied house” laws and the evolution of the three-tier system The “often-confusing” status of cider under federal law Cider’s treatment under alcohol excise tax laws Contact Attorney Marc Sorini Law Firm website: McDermott Will & Emery LLP   Address: The McDermott Building 500 North Capitol Street, NW,  Washington, DC 20001-1531 Telephone: +1 202 756 8284  email: msorini@mwe.com Mentions in this Chat 032: Steve Wood | Farnum Hill, NH Inn at Lake Champlain - mention Cider Chat to the hosts and get that cider flowing! 128 Route S, Putnam Station - New York 518-547-8406 Cider Judges needed March 30th | Massachusetts - judging first round for the National Homebrew Competition If you don't have entries in this year's NHC please sign up here :https://brewingcompetition.com/index.php?section=register&go=judge and select "Yes" for Boston Sessions under "Judging Teams Location Availability" Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio , Spotify and wherever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on Cider Chat's blog, social media and podcast Twitter @ciderchat Instagram: @ciderchatciderville Cider Chat FaceBook Page Cider Chat YouTube Join the #ciderGoingUP Campaign today!  Haven't downloaded this chat yet? Here is is again. [app_audio src="http://ciderchat.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/169-Marc-Sorini-Alcohol-Law.mp3"]  

Using Oak Barrels in Cidermaking - What do you want to know? Ryan Monkman of FieldBird Cider based in Prince Edward County, Ontario Canada presented an extended seminar on Oak Barrels at CiderCon 2019 in Chicago. [caption id="attachment_4008" align="aligncenter" width="225"] Ryan Monkman - FieldBird Cider in cellar[/caption] The workshop description: It’s like a Choose-Your-Own Adventure book...but with booze. A dozen mini-talks on oak. The crowd decides what to cover and what to scrap. We’ll open with an introduction on barrels then throw it to the horde. A vote at the end of each mini-talk will determine what we explore next. We'll finish when the clock stops - leaving time for Q&A. During the presentation Ryan had 4 ciders to taste that he with different degrees of oak applied ~ Some in barrels, some with oak chips with different levels of toasting. Ryan has already been on 2 episodes of Cider Chat Barrels and Bâtonnage A Cider Barrels with a Cooper, A Maker and Thierry Lemaire Topics Covered: Do you lose the oak overtures in carbonated cider? How is the barrel made and why it matters? And how does the barrel’s design and wood used affect the cider Topping up your barrel with lees and cider What to do with the lees. Ryan keeps the yeast lees around. He uses less as part of the top up of the barrel You can also top it off with gas. “Stirring is my favorite part” Use whatever you can to keep the lees back into suspension To stir or not to stir? Not everyone does stir. Lees are reductive and can reduce fruit aroma in a cider Does Ryan exclusively use French oak barrels. - No He has one American Barrel (named “Ria” and filled with Perry!! and plans on getting more American barrels and also a Canadian barrels too. How often to stir barrels Ryan stirs 2x/day during initial fermentation Then twice a week Long term twice a month or every two weeks to top off the barrel Ryan leaves the cider on lees until it is ready to bottle The toasting of a barrel impacts the toasting of the barrel. The lighter it is toasted the lighter the oak overtures. more toasted more flavor “With oak you can build complexity!” [caption id="attachment_4007" align="aligncenter" width="225"] FieldBird Cider "Buzzing Chatter" 2017[/caption] Using oak chips Question is - when do I want to use them? Which oak to use - not all oak is alike. What % of a French oak tree can be used to make barrels? 20% The remaining 80% of the tree is used to make railroad ties in France The oak planks are dried outside for 2-4 years Coopers can use a reed between pieces of wooden staves They use to use wheat flour - but no one use wheat flour anymore Because only 20% of the tree can be used is one of the reasons why French oak barrels are so expensive. Reconditioned barrels? Worth it? Different oak barrels Whiskey barrels are more loose grained Chardonnay barrels in CA are tighter The main wood of choice is white oak Main variety of French oak used is “Quercus robur" (Limousin oak) which has a high levels of tannin and low levels of flavor What do you want to say with your cider What to do? Do a whole bunch of different things. Any barrel is better than no barrel Bourbon barrels - coarse grain - heavy grain into the fire zone - aromatic but not a the structure side - to get vanillin note it requires time. Wine barrel - tight grain - light to medium toast - french or European oak Contact for FieldBird Cider Website: https://fieldbirdcider.com/ Buy FieldBird Cider Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/fieldbird.cider/ Follow on Instagram @fieldbird.cider @ryanmonkman Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio , Spotify and wherever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on Cider Chat's blog, social media and podcast Twitter @ciderchat Instagram: @ciderchatciderville Cider Chat FaceBook Page Cider Chat YouTube Join the #ciderGoingUP Campaign today!   

167: Cider Vortex Tales | Chicago2019 This episodes highlights recordings made during Chicago Cider Week February 1-9, 2019. SHERYL YOUNGBLOOD w/ Terrell Carter CiderCon, the annual Trade Conference for members of the United States Association of Cider Makers, took place on February 4-8. On Saturday the 10th Chicago Cider Summit capped off this cider soaked week, with two cider sessions at the Navy Pier. This event had record attendance topping off at 3500 people. Featured in this episode 167 we begin at the Cider Share held on Wednesday the 7th and meet Meredith and Peter of Century Cider in Memphis Tennessee. Then we get a dose of cider geeking with Charles McGonegal as chat Tetrahydropyridine (THP) and mousey overtures in cider. Go to episode 83 and 84. Then it is off to mini chats with cider drinkers attending Cider Summit. In order of guest recordings: Andrew Lindsey Michelle Clorissa Jill & Jordy Kelly Whitney Kate & Franny Jill Malinka Daryl William (@CiderGeek), Erica, and Globe Trotting Gluten Free with Erin Smith. Following up on tips given to Eric during the Cider Summit Totally Cider Tours to sign up for now. April 12th & 13th 2018 Monterey Bay, California - Reservations and info September 22-28, 2019 - Normandy, France - Reservations Interested in these tours? Sign up for the eCiderNews and receive updates on tours. Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio , Spotify and wherever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on Cider Chat's blog, social media and podcast Twitter @ciderchat Instagram: @ciderchatciderville Cider Chat FaceBook Page Cider Chat YouTube Join the #ciderGoingUP Campaign today!