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Are Historical Apple and Pears varieties at of becoming Extinct? It appears it is not a question of if, when historical varieties are no longer with us as climate change and other mitigation factors such as land development and disease threaten prize pomes! This topic is discussed in this episode by a panel of well versed pome fans. The Speakers on this Panel Matt Kaminsky who is also known as Gnarly Pippins is the moderator. Contact for Matt Kaminsky Website: https://gnarlypippins.com/ Listen to Matt on episode 346 on Why Pomological Exhibitions Matter Dan Newman hails from Palermo, Maine and has a keen interest in Pears from Maine. He is active in historical research that looks at records from county fairs. Each fair has the year and apple prized, and thus Dan can track what was grown where and when and by whom. Contact for Dan Newman - write to mailto:mofga@mofga.org Dan Bussey has been growing heirloom apples for 42 years since 1980. He is the author of "The Illustrated History of Apples in the United States and Canada" It is a 7 volume encyclopedia on apples. The book is now on sale for $150 for the set. When released in 2016 it was $320. Contact for Dan Bussey Website: https://www.silverwoodpark.org/project/heirloom-apple-orchard/ John Bunker was last on Cider Chat in episode 352 & 353. He is the Founder of the Maine Heritage Orchard & FEDCO Trees, Author of numerous books on Apples and is a well known Apple Detective. Contact for John Bunker Website: Out on the Limb Apples Listen to John on episode 352: Apples in Gravel | Maine Heritage Orchard and episode 353 Apple Historian John Bunker Q&A | Maine Apple Camp Eliza Greenman is a fruit explorer and horticultural historian. Contact for Eliza Greenman Website: https://elizapples.com/ Listen to Eliza on episode 349: The Super Powers of Bradford Pears Lydia Pendergast - works with the Apple Team at the College of the Atlantic and interns with the Maine Heritage Orchard Contact for Lydia Pendergast - write to mailto:mofga@mofga.org   This talk was recorded at Maine Apple Camp. Maine Apple Camp is held biannually. The next camp will take place in 2024. It is hosted by the Maine Organic Farmers and Gardeners Association. Go to MOFGA.org and join today! Mentions in this Chat Press then Press - an online retailer specializing in cider New York International Cider Competition February 19, 2023- use promo code: Chat23 for $10 off your entry submission. CiderCon 2023 - February 1-3, 2023 Chicago Cider Summit February 4, 2023 - Live Stream at Cider Chat YouTube Channel 1-2pm , 5:30-6:30pm CST. Bottles on My Desk - a live Stream with Cider Chat Producer and Emcee Ria Windcaller. Subscribe to be notified when the next "Bottles on My Desk" goes live at the Cider Chat YouTube Channel Subscribe to eCiderNews Help Support Cider ChatPlease donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Follow on Cider Chat's blog, social media and podcast Twitter@ciderchat Instagram:@ciderchatciderville Cider Chat FaceBook Page Cider Chat YouTube

Preservation Tips from an Apple Historian John Bunker is a self identified Apple Historian and an Apple Detective, Author of numerous books on the topic of Apples and Founder of FEDCO Trees. In the previous podcast episode #352 John delivers an overview on the Successes and Challenges of the Maine Heritage Orchard over the past 10 years. This episode 353 is the Q&A that followed that address. Typically, it would be recommend that you listen to episode 352 before delving into the Q&A, but even out of sequence one will find John's witty and insightful comments on a range of apple topics worth a listen. John Bunker Q&A Topics in this Chat Time line of planning and planting Trees What John recommends doing differently Found stories of people and migration patterns about the collection Questioned if John knew of dump sites that are being used in this type of format John helps to define Heirloom/Heritage Apples Genetics of Apples and seeds Climate change and the future of preserving rare vareities Legacy in relationship to the work of apple today for tomorrow.   This talk was recorded at Maine Apple Camp. Maine Apple Camp is held biannually. The next camp will take place in 2024. It is hosted by the Maine Organic Farmers and Gardeners Association. Go to MOFGA.org and join today! Contact info for John Bunker Website: Super Chilly Farm eMail: csa.outonalimb@gmail.com Episode 352 is Part 1 to this Q&A with John Bunker on the Maine Heritage Orchard. Follow/Subscribe Cider Chat on  ApplePodcasts, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio , Spotify and wherever you love to listen to podcasts. Mentions in this Chat New York International Cider Competition February 19, 2023- use promo code: Chat23 for $10 off your entry submission. CiderCon 2023 - February 1-3, 2023 Chicago Cider Summit February 4, 2023 - Live Stream at Cider Chat YouTube Channel 1-2, 5:30-6:30. Bottles on My Desk - a live Stream with Cider Chat Producer and Emcee Ria Windcaller. Subscribe to be notified when the next "Bottles on My Desk" goes live at the Cider Chat YouTube Channel Subscribe to eCiderNews Help Support Cider ChatPlease donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Follow on Cider Chat's blog, social media and podcast Twitter@ciderchat Instagram:@ciderchatciderville Cider Chat FaceBook Page Cider Chat YouTube

John Bunker on Maine Heritage Orchard: Successes and Challenges over the First Ten Years This is Part 1 with John Bunker, who is both an author, Founder of FEDCO Trees, an Apple Historian and a key person behind the Maine Heritage Orchard. In this recording her the full presentation from John as recorded at Maine Apple Camp in August of 2022. John Bunker speaking at Maine Apple Camp Bunker's 7 Point Strategy to Seek out Apples John Bunker moved to Maine when he was 21 years old and immediately fell for the state and collecting apples. In the late 70s - early 80s  he began to learned about Maine’s historic apple varieties. Seeking out apples requires a bit of stealth and an out going personality 1. Seek out mentors 2. Do cold calls - when seeing apples along the road 3. Introduced myself as "Hi I am John Bunker. You won’t believe this but I am an apple historian.” 4. Give talks at Garden Society and such and charge nothing. John bunker has a sliding scale from 1 mil to zero dollars for his talks. 5. Pass out Wanted Posters 6. Fairs and Events: Do a display of apples - it becomes a magnet for people to see. 7. Apple Identification for no charge and also payment ] John Bunker In this Chat The history of the Maine Organic Farmers and Gardners Association (MOFGA). The orchards at the Common Ground Fair Reclaiming land such as gravel pits The History of the Maine Heritage Orchard What is needed to sustain the Maine Heritage Orchard This talk was recorded at Maine Apple Camp. Apple Camp is held biannually. The next camp will take place in 2024. It is hosted by the Maine Organic Farmers and Gardeners Association. Go to MOFGA.org and join today! Contact info for John Bunker Website: Super Chilly Farm eMail: csa.outonalimb@gmail.com Episode 353 will feature Part 2 with John Bunker on the Maine Heritage Orchard. This episode will go live on January 25, 2023 Follow/Subscribe Cider Chat on  ApplePodcasts, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio , Spotify and wherever you love to listen to podcasts. Mentions in this Chat New York International Cider Competition February 19, 2023- use promo code: Chat23 for $10 off your entry submission. CiderCon 2023 - February 1-3, 2023 sign up now for the January 31th Chicago Cider Tours Chicago Cider Summit February 4, 2023 - Live Stream at Cider Chat YouTube Channel 1-2, 5:30-6:30. Bottles on My Desk - a live Stream with Cider Chat Producer and Emcee Ria Windcaller. Subscribe to be notified when the next "Bottles on My Desk" goes live at the Cider Chat YouTube Channel Subscribe to eCiderNews Help Support Cider ChatPlease donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Follow on Cider Chat's blog, social media and podcast Twitter@ciderchat Instagram:@ciderchatciderville Cider Chat FaceBook Page Cider Chat YouTube

Enjoy this Roundtable Discussion w/4 makers from Maine Kris Hogg formally of Perennial Cider Bar in Maine moderates this panel discussion that was held at the Maine Apple Camp in August of 2022. The topics are wide ranging: cultivars/apples that you really like anything that you haven’t tried yet that you would like to experiment with? life work balance from making to orchard care yeast only using wild or also culture yeast in ciders? cider as art vs science Is there a Maine Cider Style? Makers and Contact Info from this Roundtable David Buchann | Portersfield Cider Website: https://www.portersfieldcider.com/ Address: 255 Elmwood Road Pownal, ME, 04069 David Buchann | Portersfield Cider Jared Carr | Cornish Cider Company Website: https://cornishcidercompany.com/ Address: 135 High Road Cornish, Maine 04020 USA Jared Carr | Cornish Cider Company Zak Kaiser | Absolem Cider Company Website: https://www.absolemcider.com/ Address: 799 Winthrop Center Road Winthrop, Maine 04364 Zak Kaiser | Absolem Cider Jon Stein | Fogtown Brewing Company Website: https://www.fogtownbrewing.com/ Address: Two locations: Ellsworth and Bar Harbor Maine! Jon Stein | Fogtown Brewing Co. This Roundtable was recorded at Maine Apple Camp. Apple Camp is held biannually. The next camp will take place in 2024. It is hosted by the Maine Organic Farmers and Gardeners Association. Go to MOFGA.org and join today! Bonus audio - 30 minute Q&A from this roundtable at the Cider Chat Patreon page. Join today and help keep #ciderGoingUP Mentions in this Chat New York International Cider Competition February 19, 2023- use promo code: Chat23 for $10 off your entry submission. CiderCon 2023 - February 1-3, 2023 sign up now for the January 31th Chicago Cider Tours Subscribe to eCiderNews Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving!

Season 7 and the Episodes of Cider Chat This episode marks the 350th episode of this weekly podcast and the end of Season 7. The Nose and Ria sat down for a dinner chat and looked over the past season. The dinner was designed to be paired with a cider called Heirloom for an Austin cidery called Texas Keeper. In true Cider Chat style this delicious cider was one of many. Cider's drunk during this Episode Hierloom, Texas Keeper Cider |Texas Pommeau du Normandie from Domaine du Manoir de Montreuil |France Maple Sugar Liqueour from Flag Hill Distillery and Winery |New Hampshire Gigglejuice from Duckchicken Cider | London How to find Archived Episodes of Cider Chat Download and listen to all past episodes mentions in this chat by going to the Cider Chat podcast page. This epsiodes ends Season 7 of Cider Chat. Find all the Season's at the podcast page. There you will find also the show notes for each episode, links to the makers and featured guests and mentions made in each chat. Mentions in this Chat New York International Cider Competition February 19, 2023- use promo code: Chat23 for $10 off your entry submission. CiderCon 2023 - February 1-3, 2023 sign up now for the January 30th Chicago Cider Tours Subscribe to eCiderNews Help Support Cider ChatPlease donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio , Spotify and wherever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on Cider Chat's blog, social media and podcast Twitter@ciderchat Instagram:@ciderchatciderville Cider Chat FaceBook Page Cider Chat YouTube

Any relation to the Greenman's of Mystic, Connecticut? When fruit explorer and horticultural historian Eliza Greenman received a call from owners of an overgrown orchard asking if she was related to the Greenman's who planted said orchard, it took her as she says, "down the rabbit hole".  Greenman found that she was indeed distantly related to the orchard planters and took the job offer to restore the orchard. But that was only the beginning of the story that is still in process. In this episode you will hear the Eliza Greenman's keynote address from the Maine Apple Camp which took place in August of 2022 which was titled Orchard Restoration and Pear Breeding. Eliza Greenman's Keynote at Maine Apple Camp 2022 Bradford Pears Pyrus calleryana, a.k.a. Bradford Pear or Callery Pears, is a type of ornamental pear tree that are commonly found in the United States. While they are often praised for their attractive white flowers and glossy green leaves, they have also gained a reputation as an invasive species. Despite this negative reputation, Bradford Pears can actually be beneficial for cidermakers. Greenman explains that Bradford Pears make excellent root stock for top working pear varieties. Their hardy root systems can help to improve the overall health and vigor of the pear trees, which can be especially useful for cidermakers who rely on a consistent and high-quality harvest. In other words, while Bradford Pears may not be ideal for natural environments, they can be a valuable asset for those looking to cultivate pear trees for cider production. In this Keynote Dispelling the myth about "Pears for Heirs" The benefits of Bradford Pear "Bradford or Callery Pear is great for root stock. Don’t cut it all the way down." ~Eliza Greenman Contact for Eliza Greenman Website: https://elizapples.com/ Mentions in this Chat Maine Organic Farmers and Gardeners Association - Mofga.org CiderCon 2023 - February 1-3, 2023 sign up now for the January 30th Chicago Cider Tours New York International Cider Competition February 19, 2023- use promo code: Chat23 for $10 off your entry submission. CiderCon 2023 - February 1-3, 2023 sign up now for the January 30th Chicago Cider Tours New York International Cider Competition February 19, 2023- use promo code: Chat23 for $10 off your entry submission.   Subscribe to eCiderNews Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio , Spotify and wherever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on Cider Chat's blog, social media and podcast Twitter @ciderchat Instagram: @ciderchatciderville Cider Chat FaceBook Page Cider Chat YouTube

The Perfect Balance at Storum Ranch Pauline and Bill Storum settled in Julian California after Pauline retired from the US Navy in 2013. Planting an orchard and vineyard on the outskirts of this apple town was rooted in their desire to get their son Kyle, who is autistic,  and has a love of round objects engaged. Plus, Bill has wonderful memories of learning about orchard care when he was in high school. Kyle may prefer to stay indoors, but Bill is loving what he call his babies - the apple trees in the orchard. Pauline and Bill Storum In 2019, the county finally approved their plans and construction on their 81' x 36" steel building began that is both their production area and Tasting Room.  Just as they were getting ready to open their tasting room in 2021, the Covid-19 pandemic hit, allowing them to focus on perfecting their business and building. Today you can visit the Tasting Room which is air conditioned ( a nice treat when the high desert heat kicks in) or step outside on the patio and enjoy a glass. Ciders at Storum All ciders are fermented to dry and are made primarily with the wild ambient yeast at the cidery. They have both single varietal ciders and blends like Harrison and Campfield. The have set up tastings so that customers can compare the same blends from previous years and educate their palates. Value Added Products at the Tasting Room Wines Basalmic vinegar Olive oil Try a delicious non-alcoholic with the shrubs they make at the cidery drink. Cider Swag - hats and t-shirts Patio and outdoor seating at Storum Cider Hiking spots near Storum Ranch Cider & Wine Grab a sandwich and snacks in Julian to bring out for a day hike after visiting the cidery. Santa Ysabel is a 5 minute drive from the cidery. Find shade, picnic tables, porta potties by the parking lot at the trail head. A great place to have a snack, drink cider and go for a hike. Volcan Mountain is a one hour hike and only a 2 minute drive from Storum. Bring layers! At the on road parking area it may be hot but at the view it can get down right chilly. Contact info for Storum Ranch Cider & Wine Website: https://storumranch.com/ Mentions in this Chat CiderCon 2023 - February 1-3, 2023 sign up now for the January 30th Chicago Cider Tours New York International Cider Competition February 19, 2023- use promo code: Chat23 for $10 off your entry submission. Episodes 303 DYI Wassail Tips   Subscribe to eCiderNews Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio , Spotify and wherever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on Cider Chat's blog, social media and podcast Twitter @ciderchat Instagram: @ciderchatciderville Cider Chat FaceBook Page Cider Chat YouTube

Everything is Right Side Up at Calico The logo of Calico Cidery might be an upside down apple drawn to look like an apple tree, but the setting, the people, orchard and the cider is all right side up and slamming it! Located in the high desert region of San Diego to the east of the county is a lone road that brings you up to Julian California which is a bustling apple town. Calico sits at 38oo feet while Julian is up at 4200 feet, making it a high desert region where apples and the people are living the good life in what feels like a bit of an oasis after driving through the rough scrabble land of the desert below. Mural by the road out front of Calico Cidery   In this Chat Ian Wright is the head cidermaker and brings us through a compliment of ciders while we chat about the history of the orchard. Planted in 1920 - the orchard is long stem trees At one time it was mainly a U-Pick orchard Now owned by a family who is also making cider in Paso Robles California What is dry farming apples Ian Wright Ciders tasted in during this Chat Field Blend Jona Gold & Winesap  (9.0%) Devil's Punch Bowl (8.0%) a blend of apples, pears, persimmon and guavas Wild ferments with no sulfites added Always 4 Calico Ciders on tap Everything made is sold on tap Destination cidery and region Single Varietals made at Calico Winesap Northern Spy Jona Gold Ida Red Hanging with the after hours Cider and Calvados Crew at Calico When visiting Calico and Julian Take a cider and walk about the orchard at Calico Make sure to have enough time to also hang at the bar and take in the slow life. Say hi to Eric the bartender Stay at the Julian Hotel Grab a soup and half sandwich for lunch at Soups and Such Cafe Nead a hefty dinner? Try Romano's Restaurant Bring pie to the family or friends back home from the many apple pie bakeries in town Visit the other local cideries Storum Ranch Cider and Wine Julian Hard Cider Contact info for Calico Cidery Website: http://www.calicocidery.com/ Mentions in this Chat CiderCon 2023 - February 1-3, 2023 sign up now for the January 30th Chicago Cider Tours New York International Cider Competition February 19, 2023- use promo code: Chat23 for $10 off your entry submission. Episodes 340: Eric Bordelet on Pairing Cider with Food  Episode 340 was the early morning recording after a wonderful visit the night before Subscribe to eCiderNews Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio , Spotify and wherever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on Cider Chat's blog, social media and podcast Twitter @ciderchat Instagram: @ciderchatciderville Cider Chat FaceBook Page Cider Chat YouTube  

What is a pomological exhibition? Orchardist Matt Kaminsky has hosted a Pomological Exhibition in Ashfield, Massachusetts for the past 3 years. In this talk recorded at the Cider Pop-UP as part of CiderDays 2.0 events on the weekend of November 4th-6th Matt talks about the history of Pomological Societies and why such exhibitions are so important. How healthy are these wild apple trees? In this talk Matt nods to the impact of global warming and climate change What is causing more economic harm to apple growers What species of apple trees can now be grown here and the spread of invasive insects? At the Pomological Exhibition Had 150 wild apples and pears on exhibit Throughout the US and Canadian apples too. Few repeat entries at this Public Tasting. The public was able to cast a vote in 5 different categories Best quality eating Best cider apple? Best pear Best crab Visual - showiest and prettiest apple Contact info for Matt Kaminsky Website: https://gnarlypippins.com/ Mentions in this Chat Episodes Fermentis by Lesaffre - 4 SafCider yeast cultures 336 Cider Yeast Choices with Fermentis 072: Lost Apples of the Quabbin Subscribe to eCiderNews CiderCon 2023 - February 1-3, 2023 Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio , Spotify and wherever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on Cider Chat's blog, social media and podcast Twitter @ciderchat Instagram: @ciderchatciderville Cider Chat FaceBook Page Cider Chat YouTube

Four Phantoms Looks to Historical Co-Ferments Head Brewer and owner Drew Phillips of Four Phantoms Brewery in Greenfield Massachusetts spoke on Folks Traditions and the Co-Fermentation of Wort and Apple Juice and the brewery's co-ferment called Old Gods (8.0%). There were two talks on the subject, with the first being November 3rd and the second on November 6th as part of CiderDays 2.0 compilation of events. This episode is from the November 6th presentation. Drew is no stranger to fermenting having spent time brewing first in Oregon and then as Head Cidermaker at Artifact Cider Project in Florence, Massachusetts before opening Four Phantoms over two years ago. His interest in old brewing traditions and recipes has him pushing the envelope with special ferments and Old Gods is a great representation of what can be done, when done well. (Read: Old Gods is delicious!!)   Folk Traditions Around Co-fermenting Cider and Beer Drew notes that historically there wasn’t such a delineation between beer, cider and mead as there is now. He notes how that in Wassail songs , the call for mixing cider, beer and elderberry boughs all into the same beverage. The use of Hydrometers or the science of acid titration are recent adaptations to a farmhouse fermenter’s tool box. Up until the 19th century fermenters would brew by taste and if the wort didn’t taste good you would grind up more grain and mash it in, which is a classic way of brewing a farmhouse ale. - Brew by Taste. Drew notes the difference between wort (the base of beer) and apple juice the base for cider. For yeast health fermenters are looking for YAN (Yeast Assimiable Nutrients). In apple juice there isn't alot of YAN whereas with Wort there is alot.  Thus Farmers would ferment Farmhouse ales and often blended in fresh pressed apple juice.  No Heat Ferment Other than the sparing that taste place with the grain used for beer, there is no boiling of the wort as is typical with brewing. Thus, a farmhouse ale can be easily blended in with apple juice to create this co-ferment concoction.  The Making of Old Gods at Four Phantoms 100 gallons of unpasteurized Mcintoush apple juice. No yeast inoculation Blend in with Raw ale - typical farmhouse style The wort was not boiled - No hops Mashed into a whole mash tun of birch branches The result is a tasting drink that blends the two products together. Make sure to try Old Gods at Four Phantoms each fall.  Contact info for Four Phantoms Brewery Website: https://www.fourphantoms.net/ Address: 301 Wells Street, Greenfield, MA 01301 Mentions in this Chat CiderCon 2023 in Chicago - February 1st-3rd, 2023 Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio , Spotify and wherever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on Cider Chat's blog, social media and podcast Twitter @ciderchat Instagram: @ciderchatciderville Cider Chat FaceBook Page Cider Chat YouTube