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Mar 9, 2024 ⢠1h 2min
201: Weekly Investment Trusts Podcast - with Craig Baker and James Carthew (09 Mar 2024)
In this week's edition of the Weekly Investment Trust Podcast, Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook, reviews the week in the markets and speaks to Craig Baker, chair of the investment committee at the Alliance Trust, and James Carthew, director of QuotedData.
We are grateful for the support of J.P. Morgan Asset Management, which enables us to keep the podcast free.
Section Timestamps:
0:00:39 - Review of the week
0:01:49 - Corporate news, announcements, and results
0:02:42 - This week's guests
0:06:49 - Money Makers Circle
0:07:29 - Q&A with Craig Baker
0:07:57 - Craig's management approach
0:10:10 - The annual results
0:14:25 - Exposure to the Magnificent Seven and contributors to outperformance
0:18:24 - Style bias in the portfolio
0:21:08 - Departure of Ben Whitmore
0:23:22 - The UK equity market
0:25:06 - Concentration in global equity markets
0:28:29 - The importance of private investors
0:29:41 - Gearing
0:32:06 - Cost disclosure
0:33:46 - The outlook for global equities
0:35:06 - Q&A with James Carthew
0:35:24 - The markets so far this year
0:36:23 - The Budget
0:38:10 - Alliance Trust (ATST) and F&C Investment Trust (FCIT)
0:40:58 - RIT Capital (RCP)
0:44:13 - The renewables sector
0:50:42 - Digital 9 Infrastructure (DGI9)
0:52:52 - Hipgnosis Songs Fund (SONG)
0:56:42 - Bids for Abrdn Property Income (API)
0:59:45 - The Master Investor Show
1:00:59 - Close
Trusts mentioned this week (with tickers): BlackRock World Mining (BRWM), Premier Miton Global Renewables (PMGR), Bellevue Healthcare (BBH), Alliance Trust (ATST), F&C Investment Trust (FCIT), Mobius Investment Trust (MMIT), Tetragon Financial (TFG), APAX Global Alpha (APAX), Greencoat Renewables (GRP), RIT Capital (RCP), Asian Energy Impact Trust (AEIT), Hipgnosis Songs Fund (SONG), Digital 9 Infrastructure (DGI9), GCP Asset Backed Income (GABI), Triple Point Energy Transition (TENT), Smithson (SSON), Custodian Property Income REIT (CREI), Abrdn Property Income (API), Urban Logistics (SHED), UK Commercial Property (UKCM), Tritax Big Box (BBOX), Abrdn China (ACIC), Fidelity China Special Situations (FCSS), SDCL Energy Efficiency Income Trust (SDCL), NextEnergy Solar (NESF), Bluefield Solar Income Fund (BSIF).
If you enjoy the weekly podcast, you may also find value in joining The Money Makers circle. This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, market/portfolio reviews and regular extracts from the editor's notebook.
This week, as well as the usual features, the Circle features a profile of CC Japan Income & Growth (CCJI). Future profiles include Majedie Investments (MAJE) and Brown Advisory US Smaller Companies (BASC) Remember to look out for the latest edition of our new expanded weekly subscriber email which summarises Jonathan's latest thoughts along with a new list of his favourite funds, and includes all the regular features available in the Circle.
For more information about the Money Makers circle, please visit money-makers.co/membership-join. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our more than 200 podcasts since launch.
You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Please note that this podcast is provided for educational purposes only and nothing you hear should be considered as investment advice. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk.
Produced by Ben Gamblin.

Mar 2, 2024 ⢠51min
200: Weekly Investment Trusts Podcast - with Simon Elliott and Mark Dampier (02 Mar 2024)
In this week's two-hundredth edition of the Weekly Investment Trust Podcast, Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook, reviews the week in the markets and speaks to Simon Elliott, client director at J.P.Morgan Asset Management and former podcast co-host, and Mark Dampier, former head of research at Hargreaves Lansdown and non-executive director at Invesco Select (IVPU).
We are grateful for the support of J.P. Morgan Asset Management, which enables us to keep the podcast free.
Section Timestamps:
00:39 - This week's guests
01:38 - Review of the week
03:23 - Corporate news, announcements, and results
05:49 - Money Makers Circle
06:36 - Q&A with Simon Elliott and Mark Dampier
07:12 - Recalling the start of the podcast
10:22 - Fighting fires
14:01 - Cyclicality and the target market for investment trusts
16:41 - Investment trust advantages
21:39 - Issued raised by the performance of investment trusts
29:13 - Parallels between 2000 and today
34:26 - Alternatives
37:57 - Presentation of investment trusts in the media
43:03 - Solving the IPO problem
45:36 - The number of trusts
48:49 - Mark's investment trust holdings
49:54 - Master Investor Show
50:11 - Close
Trusts mentioned this week (with tickers): Cordiant Digital (CORD), Regional REIT (RGL), J.P.Morgan Global Growth and Income (JGGI), Murray International (MYI), Midwynd (MWY), Smithson (SSON), European Opportunities (EOT), Law Debenture (LWDB), Abrdn UK Smaller Companies (AUSC), Tritax Big Box (BBOX), Greencoat UK WInd (UKW), The Renewables Infrastructure Group (TRIG), Bluefield Solar (BSIF), Aquila European Renewables (AERI), Digital 9 Infrastructure (DGI9), Abrdn Diversified Income and Growth (ADIG), Downing Strategic Micro-Cap (DSM), J.P.Morgan European Discovery (JEDT), Hipgnosis Songs Fund (SONG), Home REIT (HOME), CC Japan (CCJI), Greencoat UK Wind (UKW), Capital Gearing Trust (CGT), Personal Assets Trust (PNL), Ashoka India (AIE), City of London (CTY), Temple Bar (TMPL), Edinburgh Investment Trust (EDIN).
If you enjoy the weekly podcast, you may also find value in joining The Money Makers circle. This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, market/portfolio reviews and regular extracts from the editor's notebook.
This week, as well as the usual features, the Circle features a profile of Bankers Investment Trust (BNKR). Future profiles include CC Japan Income & Growth (CCJI) and Majedie Investments (MAJE). Remember to look out for the latest edition of our new expanded weekly subscriber email which summarises Jonathan's latest thoughts along with a new list of his favourite funds, and includes all the regular features available in the Circle.
For more information about the Money Makers circle, please visit money-makers.co/membership-join. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our 200 podcasts since launch.
You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Please note that this podcast is provided for educational purposes only and nothing you hear should be considered as investment advice. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk.
Produced by Ben Gamblin.

Feb 24, 2024 ⢠1h 7min
199: Weekly Investment Trusts Podcast - with Ben Conway and Sachin Saggar (24 Feb 2024)
In this week's edition of the Weekly Investment Trust Podcast, Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook, reviews the week in the markets and speaks to Ben Conway, head of fund management at Hawksmoor Investment Management, and Sachin Saggar, analyst at the broking firm, Stifel.
We are grateful for the support of J.P. Morgan Asset Management, which enables us to keep the podcast free.
Section Timestamps:
0:00:39 - Review of the week
0:04:01 - Trust news and summary of results
0:05:55 - Money Makers Circle
0:06:10 - This week's guests
0:06:45 - Next week's podcast and the Annual Master Investor Show
0:07:29 - Q&A with Ben Conway
0:07:59 - Acronym alert!
0:08:49 - The situation with the cost disclosure issue
0:18:00 - A concession from the FCA
0:19:35 - Understanding what is going on
0:22:36 - Is the potential cost diclosure resolution factored into prices?
0:24:30 - Time needed for discounts to come in
0:26:20 - Corporate activity and supply and demand
0:31:18 - This year's approach
0:38:19 - Feedback from clients
0:40:29 - Q&A with Sachin Saggar
0:40:43 - An overview of alternatives
0:43:17 - Rationalisation
0:44:40 - Calculating value in struggling trusts
0:50:58 - The shipping sector
0:54:03 - Hipgnosis Songs Fund (SONG)
0:56:43 - The renewables and battery storage sectors
1:04:16 - Looking back at the alternative assets "revolution"
1:06:49 - Close
Trusts mentioned this week (with tickers): Seraphim Space (SSIT), Abrdn Property Income (API), Urban Logistics (SHED), Custodian Property Income (CREI), Abrdn China (ACIC), Fidelity China Special Situations (FCSS), Gulf Investment Fund (GIF), Herald Investment Trust (HRI), J.P.Morgan Global Growth and Income (JGGI), Capital Gearing Trust (CGT), VH Global Sustainable Energy Opportunities (GSEO), Fidelity Emerging Markets (FEML), Riverstone Energy (RSE), Digital 9 Infrastructure (DGI9), Cordiant Digital Infrastructure (CORD), Tufton Oceanic Assets (SHIP), Taylor Maritime (TMI), Hipgnosis Songs Fund (SONG), Octopus Renewables Infrastructure (ORIT), Aquila European Renewables (AERI).
If you enjoy the weekly podcast, you may also find value in joining The Money Makers circle. This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, market/portfolio reviews and regular extracts from the editor's notebook.
This week, as well as the usual features, the Circle features a profile of MIGO Opportunities (MIGO). Future profiles include the Bankers Investment Trust (BNKR) and CC Japan Income & Growth (CCJI). Remember to look out for the latest edition of our new expanded weekly subscriber email which summarises Jonathan's latest thoughts along with a new list of his favourite funds, and includes all the regular features available in the Circle.
For more information about the Money Makers circle, please visit money-makers.co/membership-join. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our nearly 200 podcasts since launch.
You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Please note that this podcast is provided for educational purposes only and nothing you hear should be considered as investment advice. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk.
Produced by Ben Gamblin.

Feb 20, 2024 ⢠24min
198b: Weekly Investment Trusts Podcast - with Laura Foll (20 Feb 2024)
In the second part of the latest edition of the Weekly Investment Trust Podcast (released on Saturday 17 February), Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook, speaks to Laura Foll, co-manager to a number of Henderson trusts.
We are grateful for the support of J.P. Morgan Asset Management, which enables us to keep the podcast free.
Section Timestamps:
00:29 - Q&A with Laura Foll
00:57 - Mergers and acquisitions and the state of the UK equity market
04:18 - The need for fundamental reform
11:17 - The AIM market
14:14 - The IPO drought
15:52 - Looking at the portfolios
20:11 - Companies to be cheerful about
23:52 - Close
If you enjoy the weekly podcast, you may also find value in joining The Money Makers circle. This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, market/portfolio reviews and regular extracts from the editor's notebook.
This week, as well as the usual features, the Circle features a profile of J.P.Morgan Indian (JII). Future profiles include MIGO Opportunities (MIGO) and the Bankers Investment Trust (BNKR). Remember to look out for the latest edition of our new expanded weekly subscriber email which summarises Jonathan's latest thoughts along with a new list of his favourite funds, and includes all the regular features available in the Circle.
For more information about the Money Makers circle, please visit money-makers.co/membership-join. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our nearly 200 podcasts since launch.
You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Please note that this podcast is provided for educational purposes only and nothing you hear should be considered as investment advice. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk.
Produced by Ben Gamblin.

Feb 17, 2024 ⢠42min
198a: Weekly Investment Trusts Podcast - with Andrew McHattie (17 Feb 2024)
In this week's edition of the Weekly Investment Trust Podcast, Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook, reviews the week in the markets and speaks to Andrew McHattie, editor of the Investment Trust Newsletter. Look out for a bonus podcast early next week where our second guest, Laura Foll, co-manager to a number of Henderson trusts, will appear. Make sure you are subscribed to catch that episode on release.
We are grateful for the support of J.P. Morgan Asset Management, which enables us to keep the podcast free.
Section Timestamps:
00:39 - Review of the week
02:57 - Summary of results
04:08 - Corporate news and announcements
05:31 - Money Makers Circle
05:53 - A bonus podcast next week
06:12 - Q&A with Andrew McHattie
06:12 - Characterising the year so far
08:31 - Proposed merger of UKCM and BBOX
13:47 - Fundraising
16:28 - Battery storage trusts
23:40 - Troubled trusts
32:26 - Pershing Square Holdings (PSH)
37:26 - Brunner Investment Trust (BUT)
41:54 - Close
Trusts mentioned this week (with tickers): Brunner Investment Trust (BUT), City of London Investment Trust (CTY), Scottish American (SAIN), Polar Capital Global Financials (PCFT), Diverse Income Trust (DIVI), Brown Advisory US Smaller Companies (BASC), Tritax Big Box (BBOX), UK Commercial Property REIT (UKCM), J.P.Morgan Global Growth and Income (JGGI), Bluefield Solar Income Fund (BSIF), Custodian REIT (CREI), Invesco Bond Income Plus (BIPS), Henderson Diversified Income (HDIV), Gresham House Energy Storage (GRID), Harmony Energy Income Trust (HEIT), Gore Street Energy Storage (GSF), Home REIT (HOME), Digital 9 Infrastructure (DGI9), Hipgnosis Songs Fund (SONG), Pershing Square Holdings (PSH), AVI Global (AGT).
If you enjoy the weekly podcast, you may also find value in joining The Money Makers circle. This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, market/portfolio reviews and regular extracts from the editor's notebook.
This week, as well as the usual features, the Circle features a profile of J.P.Morgan Indian (JII). Future profiles include MIGO Opportunities (MIGO) and the Bankers Investment Trust (BNKR). Remember to look out for the latest edition of our new expanded weekly subscriber email which summarises Jonathan's latest thoughts along with a new list of his favourite funds, and includes all the regular features available in the Circle.
For more information about the Money Makers circle, please visit money-makers.co/membership-join. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our nearly 200 podcasts since launch.
You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Please note that this podcast is provided for educational purposes only and nothing you hear should be considered as investment advice. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk.
Produced by Ben Gamblin.

Feb 10, 2024 ⢠1h 13min
197: Weekly Investment Trusts Podcast - with Prashant Khemka and Dan Higgins (10 Feb 2024)
In this week's edition of the Weekly Investment Trust Podcast, Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook, reviews the week in the markets and speaks to Prashant Khemka, advisor to the Ashoka India Equity Investment Trust (AIE), and Dan Higgins, lead manager of Majadie Investments (MAJE).
We are grateful for the support of J.P. Morgan Asset Management, which enables us to keep the podcast free.
Section Timestamps:
0:00:39 - This week's guests
0:01:10 - Looking ahead to Episode 200
0:01:38 - Review of the week
0:02:46 - Corporate news and announcements
0:04:17 - Money Makers Circle
0:04:55 - Q&A with Prashant Khemka
0:05:13 - Background leading up to the launch of the trust
0:06:02 - The investment style
0:09:53 - Reasons to invest in India
0:20:53 - Value in the Indian stock market
0:25:38 - Macro level risks
0:30:53 - The performance of the trust
0:33:17 - Looking ahead
0:35:24 - The launch of the second WhiteOak trust
0:37:47 - Q&A with Dan Higgins
0:38:22 - The change of management
0:40:58 - The approach
0:48:27 - The dividend policy
0:49:42 - Fees
0:54:57 - Objectives
0:59:54 - Outside shareholder perceptions
1:04:21 - Volatility
1:06:31 - The position in corporate credit
1:10:15 - The driver of excess returns
1:12:50 - Close
Trusts mentioned this week (with tickers): Invesco Select Trust (IVPU), Invesco Bond Income Plus (BIPS), Hipgnosis Songs Fund (SONG), Digital 9 Infrastructure (DGI9), Riverstone Energy (RSE).
If you enjoy the weekly podcast, you may also find value in joining The Money Makers circle. This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, market/portfolio reviews and regular extracts from the editor's notebook.
This week, as well as the usual features, the Circle features a profile of Schroder UK Mid Cap (SCP). Future profiles include J.P.Morgan Indian (JII) and MIGO Opportunities (MIGO). Remember to look out for the latest edition of our new expanded weekly subscriber email which summarises Jonathan's latest thoughts along with a new list of his favourite funds, and includes all the regular features available in the Circle.
For more information about the Money Makers circle, please visit money-makers.co/membership-join. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our nearly 200 podcasts since launch.
You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Please note that this podcast is provided for educational purposes only and nothing you hear should be considered as investment advice. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk.
Produced by Ben Gamblin.

Feb 3, 2024 ⢠58min
196: Weekly Investment Trusts Podcast - with Matt Hose and Peter Hewitt (03 Feb 2024)
In this week's edition of the Weekly Investment Trust Podcast, Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook, reviews the week in the markets and speaks to Matt Hose, alternative assets analyst at Jeffries, and Peter Hewitt, manager of the CT Global Managed Portfolio Trust (CMPI/CMPG).
We are grateful for the support of J.P. Morgan Asset Management, which enables us to keep the podcast free.
Section Timestamps:
00:39 - Review of the week
04:02 - This week's guests
04:47 - Money Makers Circle
06:21 - Corporate news and announcements
08:05 - Q&A with Matt Hose
08:40 - The current direction and outlook
10:57 - Cost disclosure
11:46 - General infrastructure sector
18:28 - Renewable infrastructure sector
24:04 - Battery storage
26:32 - Listed private equity
30:46 - Growth capital
32:09 - Shipping
33:18 - Hipgnosis Songs Fund (SONG)
35:42 - Summing up
36:16 - Q&A with Peter Hewitt
36:32 - The current situation
40:38 - Ratings difference between equities and alternatives
42:13 - Commercial property vs infrastructure and renewables
43:46 - Concerns about dividend cuts
49:29 - Income portfolio yield
52:35 - Hipgnosis Songs Fund (SONG)
55:35 - Scotland in the Rugby
57:50 - Close
If you enjoy the weekly podcast, you may also find value in joining The Money Makers circle. This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, market/portfolio reviews and regular extracts from the editor's notebook.
This week, as well as the usual features, the Circle features a profile of Gore Street Energy Storage (GSF). Future profiles include Schroder UK Mid Cap (SCP) and J.P.Morgan Indian (JII). Remember to look out for the latest edition of our new expanded weekly subscriber email which summarises Jonathan's latest thoughts and all the regular features available in the Circle. The content of that email is also available for subscribers via the website.
For more information about the Money Makers circle, please visit money-makers.co/membership-join. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our over 190 podcasts since launch.
You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Please note that this podcast is provided for educational purposes only and nothing you hear should be considered as investment advice. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk.
Produced by Ben Gamblin.

Jan 27, 2024 ⢠1h 11min
195: Weekly Investment Trusts Podcast - with Duncan MacInnes and Richard Staveley (27 Jan 2024)
In this week's edition of the Weekly Investment Trust Podcast, Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook, reviews the week in the markets and speaks to Duncan MacInnes, manager of the Ruffer Investment Company (RICA), and Richard Staveley, lead manager at Rockwood Strategic (RKW).
We are grateful for the support of J.P. Morgan Asset Management, which enables us to keep the podcast free.
Section Timestamps:
0:00:39 - Review of the week
0:03:08 - This week's guests
0:04:07 - Corporate news and announcements
0:06:20 - Money Makers Circle
0:07:10 - Q&A with Duncan MacInnes
0:07:32 - Evaluating 2023
0:20:00 - The RICA portfolio
0:23:10 - Gold and bitcoin
0:26:58 - Japan and the yen
0:31:21 - China
0:33:22 - Weigting in US equities
0:37:34 - Looking to 2024
0:38:53 - Q&A with Richard Staveley
0:42:44 - Specific stock risk
0:46:39 - The issue of a lack of liquidity
0:50:50 - Reform of the UK equity market
0:58:03 - Biggest contributors
1:00:44 - Trust growth ambitions
1:05:18 - Risks in a concentrated portfolio
1:10:52 - Close
Trusts mentioned this week (with tickers): CC Japan Income and Growth (CCJI), Troy Income and Growth (TIGT), Asian Energy Impact (AEIT), Oakley Capital Investments (OCI), ICG Enterprise Trust (ICGT), 3i Infrastructure (3IN), Taylor Maritime (TMI), J.P.Morgan Multi Asset Growth and Income (MATE), J.P.Morgan Global Growth and Income (JGGI), Hipgnosis Songs Fund (SONG).
If you enjoy the weekly podcast, you may also find value in joining The Money Makers circle. This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, market/portfolio reviews and regular extracts from the editor's notebook.
This week, as well as the usual features, the Circle features a profile of J.P.Morgan Japanese (JFJ). Future profiles include Gore Street Energy Storage (GSF) and Schroder UK Mid Cap (SCP). Remember to look out for the latest edition of our new expanded weekly subscriber email which summarises Jonathan's latest thoughts and all the regular features available in the Circle. The content of that email is also available for subscribers via the website.
For more information about the Money Makers circle, please visit money-makers.co/membership-join. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our over 190 podcasts since launch.
You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Please note that this podcast is provided for educational purposes only and nothing you hear should be considered as investment advice. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk.
Produced by Ben Gamblin.

Jan 20, 2024 ⢠1h 4min
194: Weekly Investment Trusts Podcast - with Marcus Phayre-Mudge and John Singer (20 Jan 2024)
In this week's edition of the Weekly Investment Trust Podcast, Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook, reviews the week in the markets and speaks to Marcus Phayre-Mudge, manager of TR Property, and John Singer, chairman of Pantheon International (PIN), in the first part of a longer conversation looking at the issues facing listed private equity trusts.
We are grateful for the support of J.P. Morgan Asset Management, which enables us to keep the podcast free.
Section Timestamps:
0:00:39 - Review of the week
0:02:53 - Summary of results
0:04:25 - Money Makers Circle
0:05:11 - This week's guests
0:06:09 - Q&A with Marcus Phayre-Mudge
0:06:24 - Proposed merger between CREI and API
0:15:51 - The proposed LXi and LondonMetric deal
0:18:38 - Thoughts on the property sector
0:23:31 - TR Property
0:27:22 - Cost disclosure
0:29:27 - Close
0:29:44 - Q&A with John Singer (Part 1)
0:29:59 - Private equity experience
0:32:48 - Investment trusts and history
0:37:44 - The issue of discounts
0:43:39 - Perceptions of private equity
0:47:08 - Accuracy of net asset values
0:58:26 - Variations in different listed private equity vehicles
1:03:38 - Close
Trusts mentioned this week (with tickers): Tufton Oceanic Assets (SHIP), Custodian Property Income REIT (CREI), Abrdn Property Income (API), Bankers Trust (BNKR), Edinburgh Worldwide (EWI), Home REIT (HOME), TR Property (TRY), LondonMetric (LMP), LXi REIT (LXI), UK Commercial Property (UKCM), Literacy Capital (BOOK), HgCapital (HGT).
If you enjoy the weekly podcast, you may also find value in joining The Money Makers circle. This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, market/portfolio reviews and regular extracts from the editor's notebook.
This week, as well as the usual features, the Circle features a profile of the Sequoia Economic Infrastructure Income (SEQI). Future profiles include J.P.Morgan Japanese (JFJ) and Gore Street Energy Storage (GSF). Remember to look out for the latest edition of our new expanded weekly subscriber email which summarises Jonathan's latest thoughts and all the regular features available in the Circle. Please note that the content of the email is also available if you are a subscriber and log in to the website. Some subscribers are temporarily not receiving the email, but this should be fixed shortly.
For more information about the Money Makers circle, please visit money-makers.co/membership-join. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our over 190 podcasts since launch.
You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Please note that this podcast is provided for educational purposes only and nothing you hear should be considered as investment advice. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk.
Produced by Ben Gamblin.

Jan 13, 2024 ⢠1h 7min
193: Weekly Investment Trusts Podcast - with Alastair Laing and Ken Wotton (13 Jan 2024)
In this week's edition of the Weekly Investment Trust Podcast, Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook, reviews the week in the markets and speaks to Alastair Laing, CEO of CG Asset Management, and Ken Wotton, manager of Strategic Equity Capital (SEC).
We are grateful for the support of J.P. Morgan Asset Management, which enables us to keep the podcast free.
Section Timestamps:
0:00:39 - Review of the week
0:02:48 - Cost disclosure rules
0:04:00 - This week's guest
0:04:40 - Summary of results
0:05:49 - Money Makers Circle
0:06:28 - Q&A with Alastair Laing
0:06:37 - Characterising 2023
0:15:21 - Looking ahead and the impact of elections
0:19:46 - Portfolio changes
0:30:11 - General infrastructure sector
0:33:52 - Property sector
0:37:21 - Private equity sector
0:39:59 - Opportunities in 2024
0:41:46 - Q&A with Ken Wotton
0:42:11 - An overview of the strategy
0:50:45 - Differences to other similar trusts
0:55:26 - Ambitions for the trust
1:04:05 - Looking forward
1:05:55 - Close
Trusts mentioned this week (with tickers): Seraphim Space Investment Trust (SSIT), Hydrogenone (HGEN), Biopharma Credit (BPCR), Geiger Counter (GCL), Digital 9 Infrastructure (DGI9), Henderson Diversified Income (HDIV), Pershing Square Holdings (PSH), Rockwood Strategic (RKW), Ashoka India Equity Investments (AIE), Abrdn New India (ANII), Invesco Select (IVPU), Abrdn Diversified Income and Growth (ADIG), Atrato Onsite Energy (ROOF), LXi REIT (LXI), LondonMetric (LMP), Gore Street Energy Storage (GSF), HOME REIT (HOME), Caledonia Investments (CLDN), Alliance Trust (ATST), Hipgnosis Songs Fund (SONG), BBGI Global Infrastructure (BBGI), 3i Infrastructure (3IN), International Public Partnerships (INPP), HICL Infrastructure (HICL), Greencoat UK Wind (UKW), Tritax Big Box (BBOX), PRS REIT (PRSR), Literacy Capital (BOOK), Oakley Capital (OCI), HgCapital Trust (HGT), Odyssean Investment Trust (OIT).
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