Money Makers

In this special, end of year edition of the Money Makers Investment Trusts Podcast, Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook and winner of the AIC Best Broadcast Journalist Award (2024 and 2025), is joined by four guests for their comments on the year just gone and the outlook for 2026. Those guests are Ben Conway, James Carthew, Anthony Leatham, and Max King These discussions were recorded between 12-18 December 2025. *** OUT NOW: The 2026 Investment Trusts Handbook *** Available to order from Harriman House: https://harriman-house.com/authors/jonathan-davis/the-investment-trusts-handbook-2026/9781804094358 The Investment Trusts Handbook 2026 is the ninth edition of the highly regarded annual handbook for anyone interested in investment trusts – often referred to as the City’s best-kept secret, or the connoisseur’s choice among investment funds. It is expertly edited by well-known author and professional investor Jonathan Davis, founder and editor of the Money Makers newsletter and podcast. The Investment Trusts Handbook 2026 is an independent educational publication, available through bookshops and extensively online. With articles by 30 different authors, including analysts, fund managers and investment writers, plus more than 80 pages of detailed data and analysis, the latest edition is an indispensable companion for anyone looking to invest in the investment trust sector. *** Section Timestamps: 0:00:24 - Looking back at 2025 0:04:37 - Investment Trusts Handbook 2026 0:05:32 - Ben Conway 0:13:49 - James Carthew 0:23:58 - A short break 0:25:04 - Anthony Leatham 0:36:31 - Max King 0:47:18 - Close If you enjoy the weekly podcast, why not also try the Money Makers Circle? This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, links to third party research, market/portfolio reviews and regular comments from the editor. A subscription costs £12 a month or £120 for one year. Our weekly subscriber email includes a comprehensive summary of all the latest news plus the week's biggest share price, NAV and discount movements. Subscribe and you will never miss any important developments from the sector. For more information please visit https://money-makers.co/circle. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free for the foreseeable future. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our more than 310 podcasts since launch. You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Please note that this podcast is provided for educational purposes only and nothing you hear should be considered as investment advice. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk. Produced by Ben Gamblin - www.bgprofessional.co.uk

In this edition of the Money Makers Investment Trusts Podcast, Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook and winner of the AIC Best Broadcast Journalist Award (2024 and 2025), is joined by Andrew McHattie, editor of the Investment Trusts Newsletter. This discussion was recorded on Friday 19 December 2025. We would like to wish all of our listeners a very merry Christmas. Thank you for listening in 2025 and we hope you join us throughout 2026 as we continue to report on developments in the investment trusts sector. *** OUT NOW: The 2026 Investment Trusts Handbook *** Available to order from Harriman House: https://harriman-house.com/authors/jonathan-davis/the-investment-trusts-handbook-2026/9781804094358 The Investment Trusts Handbook 2026 is the ninth edition of the highly regarded annual handbook for anyone interested in investment trusts – often referred to as the City’s best-kept secret, or the connoisseur’s choice among investment funds. It is expertly edited by well-known author and professional investor Jonathan Davis, founder and editor of the Money Makers newsletter and podcast. The Investment Trusts Handbook 2026 is an independent educational publication, available through bookshops and extensively online. With articles by 30 different authors, including analysts, fund managers and investment writers, plus more than 80 pages of detailed data and analysis, the latest edition is an indispensable companion for anyone looking to invest in the investment trust sector. *** Section Timestamps: 0:00:24 - The investment trusts sector in 2025 0:02:44 - The FCA announcement on cost disclosure 0:07:05 - SpaceX developments 0:12:45 - Saba Capital and an EWI-USA merger 0:16:38 - Saba and Renewables 0:25:27 - A short break 0:26:33 - Chrysalis (CHRY) 0:31:26 - Private equity in general 0:36:25 - RTW Biotech Opportunities (RTW) 0:39:18 - Japanese investment trusts 0:44:04 - Three select results (PCT, FCSS, TEM) 0:48:00 - Looking towards 2026 0:49:14 - Investment Trusts Handbook 2026 0:50:32 - Close If you enjoy the weekly podcast, why not also try the Money Makers Circle? This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, links to third party research, market/portfolio reviews and regular comments from the editor. A subscription costs £12 a month or £120 for one year. This week, as well as the usual features, the Circle features a profile of Ashoka WhiteOak Emerging Markets (AWEM). Our new expanded weekly subscriber email includes a comprehensive summary of all the latest news plus the week's biggest share price, NAV and discount movements. Subscribe and you will never miss any important developments from the sector. For more information please visit https://money-makers.co/circle. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free for the foreseeable future. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our more than 310 podcasts since launch. You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Please note that this podcast is provided for educational purposes only and nothing you hear should be considered as investment advice. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk. Produced by Ben Gamblin - www.bgprofessional.co.uk

In this edition of the Money Makers Investment Trusts Podcast, Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook and winner of the AIC Best Broadcast Journalist Award (2024 and 2025), is joined by Charlotte Cuthbertson and Tom Treanor, co-managers of MIGO Opportunities Trust (MIGO). This discussion was recorded on Tuesday 09 December 2025. *** OUT NOW: The 2026 Investment Trusts Handbook *** Available to order from Harriman House: https://harriman-house.com/authors/jonathan-davis/the-investment-trusts-handbook-2026/9781804094358 The Investment Trusts Handbook 2026 is the ninth edition of the highly regarded annual handbook for anyone interested in investment trusts – often referred to as the City’s best-kept secret, or the connoisseur’s choice among investment funds. It is expertly edited by well-known author and professional investor Jonathan Davis, founder and editor of the Money Makers newsletter and podcast. The Investment Trusts Handbook 2026 is an independent educational publication, available through bookshops and extensively online. With articles by 30 different authors, including analysts, fund managers and investment writers, plus more than 80 pages of detailed data and analysis, the latest edition is an indispensable companion for anyone looking to invest in the investment trust sector. *** Section Timestamps: 0:00:24 - Introduction 0:00:50 - Recent changes at MIGO 0:07:16 - Opportunities in smaller trusts 0:09:09 - The argument for MIGO 0:12:53 - Examples of successes 0:19:39 - Overlap with AGT 0:22:49 - A short break 0:23:56 - Alternatives trusts 0:27:50 - Renewables 0:33:55 - Consolidation 0:37:48 - Gresham House Energy Storage (GRID) 0:40:18 - Operational framework changes for the renewables sector 0:41:58 - MIGO Opportunities Trust itself 0:44:35 - Close If you enjoy the weekly podcast, why not also try the Money Makers Circle? This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, links to third party research, market/portfolio reviews and regular comments from the editor. A subscription costs £12 a month or £120 for one year. This week, as well as the usual features, the Circle features a profile of Onward Opportunities (ONWD), and next week's profile will feature Ashoka WhiteOak Emerging Markets (AWEM). Our new expanded weekly subscriber email includes a comprehensive summary of all the latest news plus the week's biggest share price, NAV and discount movements. Subscribe and you will never miss any important developments from the sector. For more information please visit https://money-makers.co/circle. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free for the foreseeable future. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our 310 podcasts since launch. You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Please note that this podcast is provided for educational purposes only and nothing you hear should be considered as investment advice. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk. Produced by Ben Gamblin - www.bgprofessional.co.uk

Due to a technical issue, the audio quality in this edition is a bit lower than normal, for which we apologise. -- In this edition of the Money Makers Investment Trusts Podcast, Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook and winner of the AIC Best Broadcast Journalist Award (2024 and 2025), is joined by Peter Spiller, manager of Capital Gearing Trust (CGT), for an in-depth review of investment trusts yesterday, today and tomorrow. Saba, Smithson, discount controls, private equity and the coming market crisis among the issues covered. This discussion was recorded on Thursday 04 December 2025. *** OUT NOW: The 2026 Investment Trusts Handbook *** Available to order from Harriman House: https://harriman-house.com/authors/jonathan-davis/the-investment-trusts-handbook-2026/9781804094358 The Investment Trusts Handbook 2026 is the ninth edition of the highly regarded annual handbook for anyone interested in investment trusts – often referred to as the City’s best-kept secret, or the connoisseur’s choice among investment funds. It is expertly edited by well-known author and professional investor Jonathan Davis, founder and editor of the Money Makers newsletter and podcast. The Investment Trusts Handbook 2026 is an independent educational publication, available through bookshops and extensively online. With articles by 30 different authors, including analysts, fund managers and investment writers, plus more than 80 pages of detailed data and analysis, the latest edition is an indispensable companion for anyone looking to invest in the investment trust sector. *** Section Timestamps: 0:00:24 - Introduction 0:01:02 - The historical context for discounts 0:05:41 - Consolidation and mergers 0:14:49 - Discount control and the measures available to boards 0:19:41 - A short break 0:20:48 - The now-abandoned HICL-TRIG merger and the renewables infrastructure sector 0:25:32 - Listed private equity in general 0:28:46 - Future perceptions of the alternatives sector 0:34:56 - The risk of a market crisis 0:39:25 - The chairman of the Federal Reserve 0:43:00 - Close If you enjoy the weekly podcast, why not also try the Money Makers Circle? This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, links to third party research, market/portfolio reviews and regular comments from the editor. A subscription costs £12 a month or £120 for one year. This week, as well as the usual features, the Circle features a profile of Onward Opportunities (ONWD), and next week's profile will feature Ashoka WhiteOak Emerging Markets (AWEM). Our new expanded weekly subscriber email includes a comprehensive summary of all the latest news plus the week's biggest share price, NAV and discount movements. Subscribe and you will never miss any important developments from the sector. For more information please visit https://money-makers.co/circle. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free for the foreseeable future. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our nearly 310 podcasts since launch. You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Please note that this podcast is provided for educational purposes only and nothing you hear should be considered as investment advice. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk. Produced by Ben Gamblin - www.bgprofessional.co.uk

In this edition of the Money Makers Investment Trusts Podcast, Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook and winner of the AIC Best Broadcast Journalist Award for two years running (2024 and 2025), is joined by Steven Tredget, partner at Oakley Capital, the management firm of Oakley Capital Investments (OCI). This discussion was recorded on Mon 01 December 2025. *** COMING SOON: The 2026 Investment Trusts Handbook *** Available for pre-order from Harriman House: https://harriman-house.com/authors/jonathan-davis/the-investment-trusts-handbook-2026/9781804094358 The Investment Trusts Handbook 2026 is the ninth edition of the highly regarded annual handbook for anyone interested in investment trusts – often referred to as the City’s best-kept secret, or the connoisseur’s choice among investment funds. It is expertly edited by well-known author and professional investor Jonathan Davis, founder and editor of the Money Makers newsletter and podcast. The Investment Trusts Handbook 2026 is an independent educational publication, available through bookshops and extensively online. With articles by more than 20 different authors, including analysts, fund managers and investment writers, plus more than 80 pages of detailed data and analysis, the latest edition is an indispensable companion for anyone looking to invest in the investment trust sector. *** Section Timestamps: 0:00:24 - Introduction 0:01:18 - About Oakley Capital Investments (OCI) 0:06:06 - The typical holding period and target returns 0:12:47 - NAV performance 0:19:17 - Funding commitments 0:24:39 - A short break 0:25:43 - Oakley’s discount and capital allocation policy 0:34:03 - The share register 0:38:42 - Cost disclosure 0:40:55 - Volatility in valuations 0:44:35 - Close If you enjoy the weekly podcast, you may also find value in joining The Money Makers Circle. This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, links to third party research, market/portfolio reviews and regular comments from the editor. A subscription costs £12 a month or £120 for one year. This week, as well as the usual features, the Circle features a profile of Aberdeen Asian Income (AAIF). Future profiles include Onward Opportunities (ONWD) and Ashoka WhiteOak Emerging Markets (AWEM). Our new expanded weekly subscriber email includes a comprehensive summary of all the latest news plus the week's biggest share price, NAV and discount movements. Subscribe and you will never miss any important developments from the sector. For more information please visit https://money-makers.co/circle. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free for the foreseeable future. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our nearly 310 podcasts since launch. You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Please note that this podcast is provided for educational purposes only and nothing you hear should be considered as investment advice. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk. Produced by Ben Gamblin - www.bgprofessional.co.uk

In this edition of the Money Makers Investment Trusts Podcast, Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook and winner of the AIC Best Broadcast Journalist Award for two years running (2024 and 2025), is joined by Joe Bauernfreund, lead manager at the AVI Global Trust (AGT). This discussion was recorded on Thursday 27 November 2025. *** COMING SOON: The 2026 Investment Trusts Handbook *** Available for pre-order from Harriman House: https://harriman-house.com/authors/jonathan-davis/the-investment-trusts-handbook-2026/9781804094358 The Investment Trusts Handbook 2026 is the ninth edition of the highly regarded annual handbook for anyone interested in investment trusts – often referred to as the City’s best-kept secret, or the connoisseur’s choice among investment funds. It is expertly edited by well-known author and professional investor Jonathan Davis, founder and editor of the Money Makers newsletter and podcast. The Investment Trusts Handbook 2026 is an independent educational publication, available through bookshops and extensively online. With articles by more than 20 different authors, including analysts, fund managers and investment writers, plus more than 80 pages of detailed data and analysis, the latest edition is an indispensable companion for anyone looking to invest in the investment trust sector. *** Section Timestamps: 0:00:24 - Introduction 0:01:05 - The Budget announcement 0:02:54 - The global outlook and prospects for interest rates 0:04:17 - The AI theme 0:05:15 - Alternative assets 0:21:32 - A short break 0:22:38 - The achievements of Saba Capital 0:24:39 - Consolidation 0:28:13 - Investing in Korea and Japan 0:35:18 - Holding companies 0:38:35 - News Corp 0:42:04 - The outlook for AVI Global 0:44:18 - Close If you enjoy the weekly podcast, you may also find value in joining The Money Makers Circle. This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, links to third party research, market/portfolio reviews and regular comments from the editor. A subscription costs £12 a month or £120 for one year. This week, as well as the usual features, the Circle features a profile of Allianz Technology (ATT). Future profiles include Aberdeen Asian Income (AAIF) and Onward Opportunities (ONWD). Our new expanded weekly subscriber email includes a comprehensive summary of all the latest news plus the week's biggest share price, NAV and discount movements. Subscribe and you will never miss any important developments from the sector. For more information please visit https://money-makers.co/circle. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free for the foreseeable future. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our nearly 310 podcasts since launch. You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Please note that this podcast is provided for educational purposes only and nothing you hear should be considered as investment advice. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk. Produced by Ben Gamblin - www.bgprofessional.co.uk

In this edition of the Money Makers Investment Trusts Podcast, Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook and winner of the AIC Best Broadcast Journalist Award for two years running (2024 and 2025), is joined by Jim Strang, chairman of HgCapital Trust (HGT), advisor to private equity firms, and teacher of private equity at the London Business School. This discussion was recorded on Monday 17 November 2025. *** COMING SOON: The 2026 Investment Trusts Handbook *** Available for pre-order from Harriman House: https://harriman-house.com/authors/jonathan-davis/the-investment-trusts-handbook-2026/9781804094358 The Investment Trusts Handbook 2026 is the ninth edition of the highly regarded annual handbook for anyone interested in investment trusts – often referred to as the City’s best-kept secret, or the connoisseur’s choice among investment funds. It is expertly edited by well-known author and professional investor Jonathan Davis, founder and editor of the Money Makers newsletter and podcast. The Investment Trusts Handbook 2026 is an independent educational publication, available through bookshops and extensively online. With articles by more than 20 different authors, including analysts, fund managers and investment writers, plus more than 80 pages of detailed data and analysis, the latest edition is an indispensable companion for anyone looking to invest in the investment trust sector. *** Section Timestamps: 0:00:24 - Introduction 0:01:00 - Private equity in general 0:09:35 - Reliability of valuations 0:12:21 - Listed private equity discounts 0:18:55 - A short break 0:20:01 - Looking at HgCapital Trust (HGT) 0:22:24 - The level of concentration in the portfolio 0:25:14 - Commitments vs available finance 0:30:30 - Co-investments 0:33:44 - AI and software businesses 0:39:06 - A changing market and confidence going forward 0:44:29 - Close If you enjoy the weekly podcast, you may also find value in joining The Money Makers Circle. This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, links to third party research, market/portfolio reviews and regular comments from the editor. A subscription costs £12 a month or £120 for one year. This week, as well as the usual features, the Circle features a profile of Baillie Gifford China Growth (BGCG). Future profiles include Allianz Technology (ATT) and Aberdeen Asian Income (AAIF). Our new expanded weekly subscriber email includes a comprehensive summary of all the latest news plus the week's biggest share price, NAV and discount movements. Subscribe and you will never miss any important developments from the sector. For more information please visit https://money-makers.co/circle. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free for the foreseeable future. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our more than 300 podcasts since launch. You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Please note that this podcast is provided for educational purposes only and nothing you hear should be considered as investment advice. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk. Produced by Ben Gamblin - www.bgprofessional.co.uk

In this edition of the Money Makers Investment Trusts Podcast, Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook and winner of the AIC Best Broadcast Journalist Award for two years running (2024 and 2025), is joined by Andrew McHattie, editor of the Investment Trusts Newsletter. This discussion was recorded on Friday 14 November 2025. *** COMING SOON: The 2026 Investment Trusts Handbook *** Available for pre-order from Harriman House: https://harriman-house.com/authors/jonathan-davis/the-investment-trusts-handbook-2026/9781804094358 The Investment Trusts Handbook 2026 is the ninth edition of the highly regarded annual handbook for anyone interested in investment trusts – often referred to as the City’s best-kept secret, or the connoisseur’s choice among investment funds. It is expertly edited by well-known author and professional investor Jonathan Davis, founder and editor of the Money Makers newsletter and podcast. The Investment Trusts Handbook 2026 is an independent educational publication, available through bookshops and extensively online. With articles by more than 20 different authors, including analysts, fund managers and investment writers, plus more than 80 pages of detailed data and analysis, the latest edition is an indispensable companion for anyone looking to invest in the investment trust sector. *** Section Timestamps: 0:00:24 - Introduction 0:01:00 - Smithson Investment Trust (SSON) 0:10:35 - Franklin Global Trust (FRGT) merger with Invesco Global Equity Income (IGET) 0:12:26 - Pacific Assets Trust (PAC) 0:15:59 - Henderson Far East Income (HFEL) 0:18:26 - A short break 0:19:32 - 3i Group (III) and 3i Infrastructure (3IN) 0:26:21 - Scottish Mortgage (SMT) and Fidelity Special Values (FSV) 0:32:24 - Hydrogen Capital Growth (HGEN) 0:35:58 - Home REIT 0:37:42 - Money Makers Circle and the Investment Trusts Handbook 2026 0:38:21 - Close If you enjoy the weekly podcast, you may also find value in joining The Money Makers Circle. This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, links to third party research, market/portfolio reviews and regular comments from the editor. A subscription costs £12 a month or £120 for one year. This week, as well as the usual features, the Circle features a profile of Impax Environmental (IEM). Future profiles include Baillie Gifford China Growth (BGCG) and Allianz Technology (ATT). Our new expanded weekly subscriber email includes a comprehensive summary of all the latest news plus the week's biggest share price, NAV and discount movements. Subscribe and you will never miss any important developments from the sector. For more information please visit https://money-makers.co/circle. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free for the foreseeable future. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our more than 300 podcasts since launch. You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Please note that this podcast is provided for educational purposes only and nothing you hear should be considered as investment advice. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk. Produced by Ben Gamblin - www.bgprofessional.co.uk

In this edition of the Money Makers Investment Trusts Podcast, Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook and winner of the AIC Best Broadcast Journalist Award for two years running (2024 and 2025), is joined by Peter Hewitt, former manager of the CT Global Managed Portfolio Trust (CMPI/CMPG). This discussion was recorded on Friday 07 November 2025. *** COMING SOON: The 2026 Investment Trusts Handbook *** Available for pre-order from Harriman House: https://harriman-house.com/authors/jonathan-davis/the-investment-trusts-handbook-2026/9781804094358 The Investment Trusts Handbook 2026 is the ninth edition of the highly regarded annual handbook for anyone interested in investment trusts – often referred to as the City’s best-kept secret, or the connoisseur’s choice among investment funds. It is expertly edited by well-known author and professional investor Jonathan Davis, founder and editor of the Money Makers newsletter and podcast. The Investment Trusts Handbook 2026 is an independent educational publication, available through bookshops and extensively online. With articles by more than 20 different authors, including analysts, fund managers and investment writers, plus more than 80 pages of detailed data and analysis, the latest edition is an indispensable companion for anyone looking to invest in the investment trust sector. *** Section Timestamps: 0:00:24 - Introduction 0:01:00 - The big picture for global markets 0:04:43 - The mood in small caps 0:11:11 - Emerging markets 0:15:44 - The shrinking universe 0:18:07 - Saba Capital 0:24:19 - A short break 0:25:26 - The renewables sector 0:32:09 - Commercial property 0:34:04 - The rugby 0:37:12 - The Investment Trusts Handbook 2026 0:38:32 - Close If you enjoy the weekly podcast, you may also find value in joining The Money Makers Circle. This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, links to third party research, market/portfolio reviews and regular comments from the editor. A subscription costs £12 a month or £120 for one year. This week, as well as the usual features, the Circle features a profile of Scottish American (SAIN). Future profiles include Impax Environmental Markets (IEM) and Baillie Gifford China Growth (BGCG). Our new expanded weekly subscriber email includes a comprehensive summary of all the latest news plus the week's biggest share price, NAV and discount movements. Subscribe and you will never miss any important developments from the sector. For more information please visit https://money-makers.co/circle. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free for the foreseeable future. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our more than 300 podcasts since launch. You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Please note that this podcast is provided for educational purposes only and nothing you hear should be considered as investment advice. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk. Produced by Ben Gamblin - www.bgprofessional.co.uk

In this edition of the Money Makers Investment Trusts Podcast, Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook and winner of the AIC Best Broadcast Journalist Award for two years running (2024 and 2025), takes a look at the biotech sector and speaks to Woody Stileman, London officer manager at RTW Biotech, managers of RTW Biotech Opportunities (RTW); Geoffrey Hsu, manager of Biotech Growth Trust (IBT); and Ailsa Craig, co-manager of International Biotechnology Trust (BIOG). These conversations were recorded on Thursday 30 October 2025. Section Timestamps: 0:00:24 - Introduction 0:02:47 - Woody Stileman - RTW Biotech (RTW) 0:03:13 - - Why have biotech trusts been out of favour? 0:08:39 - - The involvement of AI 0:10:45 - - Appointments to the US Health Department and FDA 0:13:44 - - Drug pricing 0:18:33 - - RTW’s private holdings and the IPO drought 0:22:13 - - The trust’s discount 0:29:24 - - Risks in biotech 0:31:16 - A short break 0:32:22 - Geoffrey Hsu - Biotech Growth Trust (BIOG) 0:32:37 - - Explaining the biotech resurgence 0:40:25 - - Risks from an accelerated pipeline 0:41:42 - - The selling points of BIOG 0:44:32 - - Investing in China 0:47:18 - - UK interest in the sector 0:48:34 - Ailsa Craig - International Biotechnology Trust (IBT) 0:48:56 - - Looking at the changing fortunes of the biotechnology sector 0:54:26 - - The IBT difference to other trusts in the sector 0:57:09 - - The impact of the US drive to reduce drug prices 0:59:31 - - New drugs originating from biotech 1:03:26 - - Playing the China theme 1:04:53 - - Best use of capital 1:06:01 - - Capability of returns and position in the cycle 1:07:44 - - The change of management house 1:09:08 - Close If you enjoy the weekly podcast, you may also find value in joining The Money Makers Circle. This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, links to third party research, market/portfolio reviews and regular comments from the editor. A subscription costs £12 a month or £120 for one year. This week, as well as the usual features, the Circle features a profile of Seraphim Space Investment Trust (SSIT). Future profiles include Scottish American (SAIN) and Impax Environmental Markets (IEM). Our new expanded weekly subscriber email includes a comprehensive summary of all the latest news plus the week's biggest share price, NAV and discount movements. Subscribe and you will never miss any important developments from the sector. For more information please visit https://money-makers.co/circle. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free for the foreseeable future. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our more than 300 podcasts since launch. You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Please note that this podcast is provided for educational purposes only and nothing you hear should be considered as investment advice. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk. Produced by Ben Gamblin - www.bgprofessional.co.uk