
Elixir Wizards
Elixir Wizards is an interview-style podcast for anyone interested in functional programming and the Elixir Programming Language. Hosted by SmartLogic engineers and Elixirists Owen Bickford, Dan Ivovich, and Sundi Myint, this show features in-depth discussions with some of the brightest minds in the industry, discussing training and documentation in Phoenix LiveView, the evolution of programming languages, Erlang VM, and more.
In the current season, we're branching out from Elixir to compare notes with thought leaders and software engineers from programming languages like JavaScript, Ruby on Rails, Go, Scala, Java, and more. Each episode will take a deep dive into a topic from Machine Learning and AI, to ECS and game development, to education and community.
Learn more about how SmartLogic uses Phoenix and Elixir. (https://smartlogic.io/phoenix-and-elixir?utm_source=podcast)
Latest episodes

May 2, 2024 • 47min
"Printing is Ugly" with Joel Meador and Charles Suggs
In Episode 7 of Elixir Wizards Office Hours, SmartLogic Engineers Joel Meador and Charles Suggs join host Owen Bickford to tackle the often tricky task of adding print functionality to web applications. They discuss their recent experiences with browser-based printing and the hurdles of cross-browser compatibility, consistent styling, and dynamic content generation, such as headers and footers.
The trio delves into the limitations of current printing capabilities in browsers, the potential of server-side PDF generation, and the necessity of juggling separate templates for web and print. They also consider accessibility for printed content and the demands of delivering high-fidelity, pixel-perfect prints.
Throughout the episode, Joel, Charles, and Owen offer up practical advice for developers grappling with similar issues, emphasizing the need for thorough research, proactive problem-solving, and the exploration of both in-browser and external PDF generation solutions.
Key topics discussed in this episode:
Real-world experiences with software project printing
Navigating the limitations of browser-based printing
Ensuring cross-browser compatibility and consistent layout
Generating dynamic content for print versions
Exploring server-side PDF generation and its advantages
Balancing design consistency across web and print formats
Addressing accessibility in printed outputs
Overcoming the unique challenges of high-accuracy printing requirements
Practical tips for researching and implementing printing solutions
Handling complex data presentations like tables in print
Evaluating the pros and cons of different printing APIs
Understanding the distinction between web viewing and printing needs
Innovating with mixed content in PDF generation
Learning from past printing challenges and planning for future improvements
Links mentioned:
CSS3 https://css3.com/
WeasyPrint https://github.com/Kozea/WeasyPrint
WebKit https://webkit.org/
Pdf.js https://github.com/mozilla/pdf.js
YesLogic Prince 15 https://www.princexml.com/
PrintXML https://gist.github.com/craiga/2934093
PDF/A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF/A
The PDF/A Family of Archiving Standards https://www.pdflib.com/pdf-knowledge-base/pdfa/the-pdfa-standards/
PDF/X https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF/X
Microsoft Encarta https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EncartaSpecial Guests: Charles Suggs and Joel Meador.

Apr 25, 2024 • 36min
"Keeping it Fresh" with Bilal Hankins and Anna Dorigo
In Office Hours Episode 6, SmartLogic Developers Anna Dorigo and Bilal Hankins join Elixir Wizards Sundi and Dan to discuss their experiences maintaining a decade-old Ruby on Rails codebase.
They delve into the critical importance of deeply understanding the codebase, keeping dependencies current, and adapting to the original application's evolving priorities and design choices.
The conversation spans a range of topics, including accessibility, testing, monitoring, and the challenges of deploying database migrations in production environments. The guests share effective strategies for sustaining and enhancing older codebases, such as employing automated tools, performing code audits, and adhering to clean coding principles.
Key topics discussed in this episode:
Grasping the legacy codebase and its historical context
Overcoming accessibility issues in older applications
Safe dependency management and upgrades
The effects of application scaling on database performance
The critical role of comprehensive test suites in legacy systems
Using tools like Sentry for error tracking and performance monitoring
The benefits of automated security and dependency scans
Juggling client needs with budget constraints
Local simulation techniques for large datasets
The value of iterative code reviews and maintaining clean code
Utilizing git history for contextual understanding
Onboarding strategies for legacy projects
Removing obsolete code and avoiding "magic numbers"
Importance of descriptive naming for better code clarity
Leveraging a rich repository of example code for learning and reference
Proactive code audits to anticipate issues
Managing pull request sizes for smoother reviews
Communicating effectively about upgrades and potential impacts
Strategies for handling large databases efficiently
Ensuring thorough test coverage
Keeping open lines of communication with clients regarding ongoing maintenance
Links mentioned:
COBOL programming language https://developer.ibm.com/languages/cobol/
Ruby on Rails https://rubyonrails.org/
ARIA Rules (Accessible Rich Internet Applications) https://www.w3.org/TR/using-aria/
Shawn Vo on Elixir as a Competitive Advantage https://smartlogic.io/podcast/elixir-wizards/s5e5-vo/
Bundler Audit Ruby Gem https://rubygems.org/gems/bundler-audit/
Sentry application monitoring and error tracking software https://sentry.io/
Dependabot Github automated dependency updates
Mix hex.audit https://hexdocs.pm/hex/Mx.Tasks.Hex.Audit.html
Git Blame https://git-scm.com/docs/git-blame
Cow hoof trimming videos - The Hoof GP on YouTube (TW graphic imagery)Special Guests: Anna Dorigo and Bilal Hankins.

Apr 18, 2024 • 50min
"Saga of a Gnarly Report" with Owen and Dan
In today's episode, Elixir Wizards Owen and Dan delve into the complexities of building advanced reporting features within software applications. They share personal insights and challenges encountered while developing reporting solutions for user-generated data, leveraging both Elixir/Phoenix and Ruby on Rails.
The discussion zeroes in on crucial data modeling and architectural decisions that enhance reporting efficiency and flexibility. Owen and Dan explore tactics like materialized views, event sourcing, and database triggers to optimize data handling while being mindful of UX elements like progress indicators and background job management.
They share insights on leveraging the Elixir/Beam ecosystem’s strengths—like concurrency and streamlined deployment—to tackle common reporting, caching, and integration challenges. The episode highlights the impact of reporting features across all aspects of a software application’s design and architecture.
Key topics discussed in this episode:
Reporting on assessment data, survey results, and user metrics
Differences between reporting and performance/error monitoring
Implementing reporting in Elixir/Phoenix vs. Ruby on Rails
Displaying reports in web, printable, PDF, SVG, and CSV formats
Challenges of generating PDFs for large data sets
Streaming CSV data directly to the client
Handling long-running report generation tasks
Providing progress indicators and user notifications
Strategies for canceling or abandoning incomplete reports
Tradeoffs of pre-calculating report data vs. real-time generation
Materializing views and denormalizing data for reporting
Exploring event sourcing patterns for reporting needs
Using database triggers and stored procedures for reporting
Balancing data structure optimization for reports vs. day-to-day usage
Caching report data for faster retrieval and rendering
Charting and visualization integration in reporting systems
Links mentioned:
Prometheus monitoring system & time series database https://prometheus.io/
Thinking Elixir "FLAME with Chris McCord" https://podcast.thinkingelixir.com/181
Phoenix LiveView Uploads https://hexdocs.pm/phoenix/file_uploads.html
https://hexdocs.pm/phoenix_live_view/Phoenix.LiveView.UploadWriter.html
Postgrex PostgreSQL driver for Elixir https://hexdocs.pm/postgrex/Postgrex.html
Ecto https://hexdocs.pm/ecto/Ecto.html
Heroku cloud application platform https://www.heroku.com/
Elixir Wizards S9E12 Marcelo Dominguez on Command and Query Responsibility Segregation https://smartlogic.io/podcast/elixir-wizards/s9-e12-marcelo-dominguez-cqrs/
Commanded Elixir CQRS/ES applications https://github.com/commanded/commanded
Tailwind CSS Framework https://github.com/tailwindlabs
Memcached https://memcached.org/
Redis https://redis.io/
Oban https://hexdocs.pm/oban/Oban.html
ETS https://hexdocs.pm/ets/ETS.html
Capistrano remote server automation and deployment tool https://capistranorb.com/

Apr 11, 2024 • 48min
"Whose Tailwind is it Anyway?" with Ava Slivkoff
In Elixir Wizards Office Hours Episode 4, SmartLogic Product Designer Ava Slivkoff joins hosts Sundi Myint and Owen Bickford to discuss the product designer's role in software development. Ava shares her experience navigating client expectations, software design principles, and technical constraints.
They explore the integration of design and development workflows and how designers and engineers can collaborate to meet a project's specific needs. The conversation emphasizes the value of cross-functional teams and the synergy that can arise when all team members work in harmony to bring a product to life.
Key concepts discussed in the episode:
The broad scope of the designer role in web app development
The value of an MVP in the iterative software design process
Challenges of aligning client expectations with design best practices
Pros and cons of leveraging pre-built Tailwind CSS styled components
Trends and evolution in web design aesthetics and patterns
Leveraging open-source design systems like Tailwind UI
Balancing technical constraints with design aspirations
Communication and trust-building between designers and engineers
Workflows for design handoffs and feedback loops
Importance of user flows and mapping the product experience
Challenges around the implementation of complex UI elements
Benefits of regular design review meetings and syncs
Fostering empathy and collaboration across disciplines
Links mentioned
Figma Dev Mode https://www.figma.com/dev-mode/
Tailwind CSS utility-first CSS framework https://tailwindcss.com/
Tailwind UI https://tailwindui.com/
https://devinai.ai/Special Guest: Ava Slivkoff.

Apr 4, 2024 • 44min
"You've Got a Job to Do" with Joel Meador
SmartLogic Engineer Joel Meador joins the podcast to discuss the vital role of background jobs in app performance, optimizing user experience, monitoring and debugging strategies, system security, and tools like Oban and Sidekiq. They emphasize best practices for implementing background jobs, CPU utilization, and continuous improvement in job management.

Mar 28, 2024 • 43min
"Discovery Discoveries" with Alicia Brindisi and Bri LaVorgna
In Elixir Wizards Office Hours Episode 2, "Discovery Discoveries," SmartLogic's Project Manager Alicia Brindisi and VP of Delivery Bri LaVorgna join Elixir Wizards Sundi Myint and Owen Bickford on an exploratory journey through the discovery phase of the software development lifecycle.
This episode highlights how collaboration and communication transform the client-project team dynamic into a customized expedition. The goal of discovery is to reveal clear business goals, understand the end user, pinpoint key project objectives, and meticulously document the path forward in a Product Requirements Document (PRD).
The discussion emphasizes the importance of fostering transparency, trust, and open communication. Through a mutual exchange of ideas, we are able to create the most tailored, efficient solutions that meet the client's current goals and their vision for the future.
Key topics discussed in this episode:
Mastering the art of tailored, collaborative discovery
Navigating business landscapes and user experiences with empathy
Sculpting project objectives and architectural blueprints
Continuously capturing discoveries and refining documentation
Striking the perfect balance between flexibility and structured processes
Steering clear of scope creep while managing expectations
Tapping into collective wisdom for ongoing discovery
Building and sustaining a foundation of trust and transparency
Links mentioned in this episode:
https://smartlogic.io/
Follow SmartLogic on social media: https://twitter.com/smartlogic
Contact Bri: bri@smartlogic.io
What is a PRD? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_requirements_documentSpecial Guests: Alicia Brindisi and Bri LaVorgna.

Mar 21, 2024 • 46min
"Testing 1, 2, 3" with Joel Meador and Charles Suggs
The Elixir Wizards Podcast is back with Season 12 Office Hours, where we talk with the internal SmartLogic team about the stages of the software development lifecycle. For the season premiere, "Testing 1, 2, 3," Joel Meador and Charles Suggs join us to discuss the nuances of software testing.
In this episode, we discuss everything from testing philosophies to test driven development (TDD), integration, and end-user testing. Our guests share real-world experiences that highlight the benefits of thorough testing, challenges like test maintenance, and problem-solving for complex production environments.
Key topics discussed in this episode:
How to find a balance that's cost-effective and practical while testing
Balancing test coverage and development speed
The importance of clear test plans and goals
So many tests: Unit testing, integration testing, acceptance testing, penetration testing, automated vs. manual testing
Agile vs. Waterfall methodologies
Writing readable and maintainable tests
Testing edge cases and unexpected scenarios
Testing as a form of documentation and communication
Advice for developers looking to improve testing practices
Continuous integration and deployment
Links mentioned:
https://smartlogic.io/
Watch this episode on YouTube! youtu.be/u_nx5AIvSdc
Bob Martin “Clean Code” videos - “Uncle Bob”: http://cleancoder.com/
JUnit 5 Testing for Java and the JVM https://junit.org/junit5/
ExUnit Testing for Elixir https://hexdocs.pm/ex_unit/ExUnit.html
Code-Level Testing of Smalltalk Applications https://www.cs.ubc.ca/~murphy/st_workshop/28-7.html
Agile Manifesto https://agilemanifesto.org/
Old Man Yells at Cloud https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/019/304/old.jpg
TDD: Test Driven Development https://www.agilealliance.org/glossary/tdd/
Perl Programming Language https://www.perl.org/
Protractor Test Framework for Angular and AngularJS protractortest.org/#/
Waterfall Project Management https://business.adobe.com/blog/basics/waterfall
CodeSync Leveling up at Bleacher Report A cautionary tale - PETER HASTIE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4SzZCwB8B4
Mix ecto.dump https://hexdocs.pm/ecto_sql/Mix.Tasks.Ecto.Dump.html
Apache JMeter Load Testing in Java https://jmeter.apache.org/
Pentest Tools Collection - Penetration Testing https://github.com/arch3rPro/PentestTools
The Road to 2 Million Websocket Connections in Phoenix https://www.phoenixframework.org/blog/the-road-to-2-million-websocket-connections
Donate to Miami Indians of Indiana https://www.miamiindians.org/take-action
Joel Meador on Tumblr https://joelmeador.tumblr.com/Special Guests: Charles Suggs and Joel Meador.

Jan 11, 2024 • 1h 9min
Creating a Language: Elixir vs. Roc with José Valim and Richard Feldman (Elixir Wizards X Software Unscripted Podcast)
For the final episode of Elixir Wizards’ Season 11 “Branching Out from Elixir,” we’re featuring a recent discussion from the Software Unscripted podcast. In this conversation, José Valim, creator of Elixir, interviews Richard Feldman, creator of Roc. They compare notes on the process and considerations for creating a language.
This episode covers the origins of creating a language, its influences, and how goals shape the tradeoffs in programming language design. José and Richard share anecdotes from their experiences guiding the evolution of Elixir and Roc. The discussion provides an insightful look at the experimentation and learning involved in crafting new languages.
Topics discussed in this episode
What inspires the creation of a new programming language
Goals and use cases for a programming language
Influences from Elm, Rust, Haskell, Go, OCaml, and more
Tradeoffs involved in expressiveness of type systems
Opportunistic mutation for performance gains in a functional language
Minimum version selection for dependency resolution
Build time considerations with type checking and monomorphization
Design experiments and rolling back features that don’t work out
History from the first simple interpreter to today's real programming language
Design considerations around package management and versioning
Participation in Advent of Code to gain new users and feedback
Providing performance optimization tools to users in the future
Tradeoffs involved in picking integer types and arithmetic
Comparing floats and equality checks on dictionaries
Using abilities to customize equality for custom types
Ensuring availability of multiple package versions for incremental upgrades
Treating major version bumps as separate artifacts
Roc's focus on single-threaded performance
Links mentioned in this episode
Software Unscripted Podcast https://feeds.resonaterecordings.com/software-unscripted
Roc Programming Language https://www.roc-lang.org/
Roc Lang on Github https://github.com/roc-lang/roc
Elm Programming Language https://elm-lang.org/
Elm in Action by Richard Feldman https://www.manning.com/books/elm-in-action
Richard Feldman on Github https://github.com/rtfeldman
Lua Programming Language https://www.lua.org/
Vimscript Guide https://google.github.io/styleguide/vimscriptfull.xml
OCaml Programming Language https://ocaml.org/
Advent of Code https://adventofcode.com/
Roc Language on Twitter https://twitter.com/roc_lang
Richard Feldman on Twitter https://twitter.com/rtfeldman
Roc Zulip Chat https://roc.zulipchat.com
Clojure Programming Language https://clojure.org/
Talk: Persistent Data Structures and Managed References by Rich Hickey https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toD45DtVCFM
Koka Programming Language https://koka-lang.github.io/koka/doc/index.html
Flix Programming Language https://flix.dev/
Clojure Transients https://clojure.org/reference/transients
Haskell Software Transactional Memory https://wiki.haskell.org/Software_transactional_memory
Rust Traits https://doc.rust-lang.org/book/ch10-02-traits.html
CoffeeScript https://coffeescript.org/
Cargo Package Management https://doc.rust-lang.org/book/ch01-03-hello-cargo.html
Versioning in Golang https://research.swtch.com/vgo-principlesSpecial Guests: José Valim and Richard Feldman.

Jan 4, 2024 • 54min
Package Management in Elixir vs. JavaScript with Wojtek Mach & Amal Hussein
Today on Elixir Wizards, Wojtek Mach of HexPM and Amal Hussein, engineering leader and former NPM team member, join Owen Bickford to compare notes on package management in Elixir vs. JavaScript. This lively conversation covers everything from best practices for dependency management to API design, SemVer (semantic versioning), and the dark ages of web development before package managers existed.
The guests debate philosophical differences between the JavaScript and Elixir communities. They highlight the JavaScript ecosystem's maturity and identify potential areas of improvement, contrasted against Elixir’s emphasis on minimal dependencies. Both guests encourage engineers to publish packages, even small ones, as a learning opportunity.
Topics discussed in this episode:
Leveraging community packages rather than reinventing the wheel
Vetting packages carefully before adopting them as dependencies
Evaluating security, performance, and bundle size when assessing packages
Managing transitive dependencies pulled in by packages
Why semantic versioning is difficult to consistently enforce
Designing APIs with extensibility and backward compatibility in mind
Using tools like deprecations to avoid breaking changes in new releases
JavaScript’s preference for code reuse over minimization
The Elixir community’s minimal dependencies and avoidance of tech debt
Challenges in early package management, such as global dependency
Learning from tools like Ruby Gems and Bundler to improve experience
How log files provide visibility into dependency management actions
How lock files pin dependency versions for consistency
Publishing packages democratizes access and provides learning opportunities
Linting to enforce standards and prevent certain bugs
Primitive-focused packages provide flexibility over highly opinionated ones
Suggestions for improving documentation and guides
Benefits of collaboration between programming language communities
Links mentioned in this episode:
Node.js https://github.com/nodejs
npm JavaScript Package Manager https://github.com/npm
JS Party Podcast https://changelog.com/jsparty
Dashbit https://dashbit.co/
HexPM Package Manager for Erlang https://hex.pm/
HTTP Client for Elixir https://github.com/wojtekmach/req
Ecto Database-Wrapper for Elixir https://github.com/elixir-ecto (Not an ORM)
XState Actor-Based State Management for JavaScript https://xstate.js.org/docs/
Supply Chain Protection for JavaScript, Python, and Go https://socket.dev/
MixAudit https://github.com/mirego/mix_audit
NimbleTOTP Library for 2FA https://hexdocs.pm/nimble_totp/NimbleTOTP.html
Microsoft Azure https://github.com/Azure
Patch Package https://www.npmjs.com/package/patch-package
Ruby Bundler to manage Gem dependencies https://github.com/rubygems/bundler
npm-shrinkwrap https://docs.npmjs.com/cli/v10/commands/npm-shrinkwrap
SemVer Semantic Versioner for NPM https://www.npmjs.com/package/semver
Spec-ulation Keynote - Rich Hickey https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyLBGkS5ICk
Amal’s favorite Linter https://eslint.org/
Elixir Mint Functional HTTP Client for Elixir https://github.com/elixir-mint
Tailwind Open Source CSS Framework https://tailwindcss.com/
WebauthnComponents https://hex.pm/packages/webauthn_componentsSpecial Guests: Amal Hussein and Wojtek Mach.

Dec 28, 2023 • 48min
Communities in Tech with Camille Clayton & Scott Tolinski
Today on Elixir Wizards, Camille Clayton, Director of Women Who Code DC, and Scott Tolinski, Co-Host of the Syntax Podcast and Creator of Level Up Tutorials, join hosts Sundi Myint and Owen Bickford to discuss tech community spaces online and IRL.
They lay out the blueprint and best practices for fostering an inclusive environment where newcomers feel comfortable and welcome to join the discussion – whether it’s an online forum, YouTube comment sections, social media platform, local meetup, or conference.
Topics discussed in this episode:
Leaving a space open so newcomers feel empowered to join
Celebrating small wins to maintain excitement and build confidence
Why consistency is key to building a community with longevity
Creating and enforcing a code of conduct to define expectations
Finding respectful resolutions for addressing issues or complaints
The importance of amplifying underrepresented voices in tech
Creating content for all skill levels and adapting to a wider audience
How remote meetups broaden the possibilities for attendance and connection
Finding the right fit for mentorship
Delegation to strengthen community members’ sense of ownership
Navigating the new normal of local, in-person gatherings post-pandemic
Links mentioned in this episode:
https://www.womenwhocode.com/network/dc
https://syntax.fm/
https://levelup.video/
https://devopsdays.org/
https://github.com/sveltejs
https://github.com/womenwhocodedc
https://twitter.com/womenwhocode
https://www.remoteworkcalc.com/
https://twitter.com/WomenWhoCodeDC
https://www.meetup.com/dc-elixir/Special Guests: Camille Clayton and Scott Tolinski.