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Tune in to the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, hosted by our Managing Partner, Stewart Foley, CFA. Our podcast features insightful conversations with CIOs, asset managers, and other distinguished professionals in the insurance asset management industry. Each episode delves into the latest trends, challenges, and opportunities, providing listeners with valuable perspectives and practical advice. Don’t miss out on these engaging discussions that are essential for insurance investors and asset managers.
Latest episodes

Sep 5, 2024 • 23min
Episode 239: The Evolution of IG Private Credit: Insights from PPM’s Luke Stifflear
Stifflear, Portfolio Manager and Head of Investment Grade Private Credit at PPM. Luke brings over 30 years of experience at PPM, providing deep insights into the world of investment grade private credit. He explains how this asset class, typically dominated by insurance companies, differs from the more commonly discussed high-yield private credit. Luke sheds light on the benefits of investment grade private credit, including enhanced covenant protection, better spread premiums, and diversification opportunities that make it a compelling alternative to public bonds. He also discusses the evolution of this market, particularly in the context of bank pullbacks and the growing interest from institutional investors.
The conversation further explores the state of market liquidity, deal flow dynamics, and how PPM's long-standing presence in the industry offers unique advantages in accessing off-the-run tenors and securing favorable deals. Luke also shares his views on the importance of relative value decisions between public and private markets, emphasizing how consistent capital deployment and strong market relationships have helped PPM maintain a competitive edge. This episode is packed with valuable takeaways for anyone interested in the strategic aspects of investment grade private credit and its role in diversified portfolios.

Sep 3, 2024 • 37min
Episode 238: Inside Private Equity: Insights from Aaron Sack of Morgan Stanley
In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, host Stewart Foley sits down with Aaron Sack, Head of Morgan Stanley Capital Partners, for an in-depth conversation about the world of private equity. Aaron shares his journey from a liberal arts background to leading one of the most respected private equity teams at Morgan Stanley. The discussion covers Aaron's early experiences, the evolution of private equity, and the unique aspects of middle-market buyout strategies. Aaron provides insights into how private equity has grown from a niche industry into a major force in global finance, and he reflects on the lessons learned from the 2008 financial crisis, which continue to shape his investment approach today.
The conversation also explores the importance of team building and culture in private equity, emphasizing the need for alignment, respect, and shared values in a successful investment team. Aaron's approach to leadership and his perspective on the value of liberal arts in finance offer a unique and refreshing take on what it means to succeed in the private equity space. This episode is packed with valuable insights for anyone interested in the inner workings of private equity and the future of this dynamic asset class.

Aug 26, 2024 • 30min
Episode 237: Capturing the benefits of Infrastructure Debt
In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com podcast, Stewart Foley, CFA, explores the growing demand and opportunities within the infrastructure debt market with two key experts from Brookfield Asset Management: Hadley Peer Marshall, Managing Director, Co-Head of Infrastructure Debt and Structured Solutions Strategies, and CFO, and Eric Wittleder, Managing Director of Infrastructure. The discussion delves into the major trends driving the infrastructure sector, particularly the significant capital required for global transition initiatives such as net-zero carbon emissions, and how these trends present unique opportunities for institutional investors like insurance companies.
Hadley and Eric also highlight the characteristics of an optimized infrastructure debt portfolio, emphasizing the essential, non-cyclical nature of the assets and their ability to provide material downside protection. They share insights on how Brookfield aligns its infrastructure investments with sustainability goals without compromising on returns, and discuss the impact of regulatory changes on the market. This episode offers valuable perspectives on how insurers can effectively leverage infrastructure debt within their portfolios while contributing to environmental sustainability.

Aug 22, 2024 • 28min
Episode 236: The Future of Private Credit with Ashwin Krishnan & Jeff Levin of Morgan Stanley
In this discussion, Ashwin Krishnan and Jeff Levin from Morgan Stanley Investment Management dive into the evolution and mainstreaming of private credit. They draw parallels with private equity's rise and emphasize the need for flexibility in capital solutions. The duo also addresses the effects of rising interest rates on leverage ratios and the competitive edge of their firm in tailoring unique capital solutions. Their insights shed light on the scalability of private credit and its significance for insurance investors, while also sharing personal inspirations.

Aug 19, 2024 • 30min
Episode 235: Private Equity Meets Insurance: Insights from Altamont Capital's Sam Gaynor
In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, host Stewart Foley sits down with Sam Gaynor, Managing Director at Altamont Capital Partners, to explore the dynamic world of private equity with a focus on long-term control investments in the middle market. Sam shares insights into Altamont’s investment strategies, including their successful de novo incubation ventures and the critical role of partnering with strong management teams. The discussion delves into the innovative approaches Altamont has taken in the financial services sector, highlighting key success stories like Kuvare and Accelerant.
Sam also offers his perspective on the future of private equity, the evolving landscape of insurance investments, and the impact of market consolidation. With valuable takeaways for investors and industry professionals alike, this episode provides a comprehensive look at how Altamont is navigating and shaping the future of middle-market investments.

Aug 15, 2024 • 27min
Episode 234: Avoiding Negative Yield: Flexible Co-Sourcing Models for Insurance Investment Operations
In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, host Stewart Foley is joined by Scott Kurland, Managing Director at SS&C Technologies, for an insightful discussion on a new concept they call "negative yield." They delve into how insurers can avoid this negative yield by adopting a flexible co-sourcing investment operating model. Scott explains how co-sourcing allows insurance companies to maintain control over core operations while outsourcing specific investment accounting and administrative tasks to a trusted partner like SS&C.
They explore the growing trend toward private credit and structured investments, and how these asset classes can be cumbersome to manage internally. Scott details how co-sourcing can help insurers efficiently handle complex investment portfolios, such as residential whole loans, without overwhelming internal teams. By leveraging cloud-based technology and specialized expertise, insurers can optimize their investment returns and maintain a competitive edge.
The conversation also touches on the importance of transparency, the use of AI in investment accounting, and how co-sourcing can be tailored to meet the specific needs of different insurers. Whether you're a CIO or a CRO considering co-sourcing, this episode offers valuable insights into how this model can enhance your investment operations.

Aug 6, 2024 • 22min
Episode 233: Regulatory Capital Relief (RCR): A Primer with Eagle Point Credit’s Karan Chabba
In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com podcast, host Stewart Foley sits down with Karan Chabba, Principal and Head of Regulatory Capital Relief (RCR) and Specialty Finance at Eagle Point Credit Management. They dive deep into the evolving landscape of regulatory capital relief and synthetic risk transfer (SRT) transactions. Karan shares insights into why Eagle Point has ventured into this niche area, explaining the appeal of these structures for banks seeking to manage their capital requirements efficiently.
Karan also elaborates on how Eagle Point leverages its expertise across multiple credit sectors, including CLOs and structured finance, to identify and seize opportunities in both the RCR and specialty finance spaces. This episode offers a comprehensive understanding of how Eagle Point navigates the complexities of these markets, providing valuable takeaways for investors interested in exploring these unique and growing investment areas.
Tune in to learn more about how Eagle Point Credit Management is setting itself apart in the world of specialty finance and RCR, and why this area is gaining more attention from banks and investors alike.

Jul 29, 2024 • 24min
Episode 232: Beyond Bridges: How Infrastructure is Reshaping Cities and Investment Portfolios
In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, host Stewart Foley is joined by Adam Reisler, a partner at StepStone in the infrastructure and real assets team, connecting from Australia. Together, they delve into the dynamic world of private infrastructure investment, a sector that has experienced exponential growth from $100 billion in 2009 to $1.3 trillion today.
Adam shares his expertise on why infrastructure is increasingly becoming a vital asset class for institutional investors, especially insurance companies with long-dated liabilities. They discuss key trends driving the infrastructure boom, such as energy transition, digital infrastructure, and the rising influence of AI. Adam also highlights the various investment strategies and structures available for those looking to enter the infrastructure space.
Tune in to gain valuable insights on the current and future landscape of infrastructure investing, and hear Adam's personal career journey and advice for young professionals.

Jul 24, 2024 • 32min
Episode 231: Structured Settlements and Smart Systems: A Deep Dive with Independent Life and Loomis Sayles
In this special episode of the InsuranceAUM.com podcast, host Stewart Foley sits down with Erik Troutman, co-head of the Institutional Advisory Group at Loomis Sayles, and Dave Adams, Chief Investment Officer at Independent Life. Recorded live from the University of Chicago's Gleacher Center just before our annual symposium, this episode marks a unique setting where all participants are in the same room, fostering a dynamic and interactive discussion.
The conversation explores the complexities and innovations of technology implementation within life companies, with a focus on structured settlement annuities. Dave Adams shares his experiences at Independent Life, highlighting the challenges faced and the pivotal role Loomis Sayles played in integrating advanced tech solutions. Erik Troutman provides insights into how Loomis Sayles’ technology helps streamline asset and liability management, offering a clearer picture of investment strategies and risk metrics.
Gain valuable perspectives on managing these intricate financial instruments and learn how cutting-edge technology can enhance performance and operational efficiency in the insurance industry.

Jul 22, 2024 • 36min
Episode 230: The Convergence of Insurers and Asset Managers
Host Stewart Foley, CFA, sits down with Tim Lyne, CEO and founding partner of Antares Capital. Tim shares his journey from growing up in Chicago to founding a leading direct lending firm. He reflects on the early days of Antares Capital, the challenges and rewards of starting a financial firm, and the evolution of the direct lending market.
Tim discusses the complexities of insurance asset management, highlighting the importance of navigating asset allocation, regulatory environments, and capital relief. He also shares his thoughts on why insurance asset management is the most sophisticated field in finance and provides valuable insights into building strategic partnerships with insurance companies.
Stewart and Tim explore the current trends in M&A, the growing acceptance of private credit by insurance companies, and Antares’ approach to building its insurance business. Listeners will gain a deeper understanding of the direct lending market, the role of insurance capital, and the importance of reliability and long-term relationships in the industry.