

The Optispan Podcast with Matt Kaeberlein
Optispan
Optispan is a vision for what health should be.
The typical person gives up 10-20 years of quality life in exchange for disability, frailty, and early death. We call this "the lost decade". Time that should be spent with loved ones doing the activities you enjoy are instead spent suffering from multiple diseases and taking a cabinet full of medications that probably do as much harm as good.
We believe that the current practice of medicine is disease care, not health care. We believe that everyone can get closer to their own optimal healthspan.
The typical person gives up 10-20 years of quality life in exchange for disability, frailty, and early death. We call this "the lost decade". Time that should be spent with loved ones doing the activities you enjoy are instead spent suffering from multiple diseases and taking a cabinet full of medications that probably do as much harm as good.
We believe that the current practice of medicine is disease care, not health care. We believe that everyone can get closer to their own optimal healthspan.
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May 23, 2024 • 43min
The Surprising Way Body Size Relates to Lifespan | 35 - Longevity Science #7
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Is bigger always better?
It depends. Throughout the human lifespan, body size plays an important role in determining health outcomes and quality of life. It's not just about body mass index, fat distribution, weight, or muscle mass: there also exists a relationship between body size and longevity across multiple species, including humans. On average, larger species seem to live longer and age more slowly—think about the fact that dogs age about seven times faster than do humans, who are both heavier and taller than dogs. But within species, that relationship flips around: larger individuals age more rapidly and live shorter lifespans than do smaller individuals.
As with seemingly everything in aging, the relationship between body size and the rate of aging is complex and the result of an interplay between genetic, environmental, and lifestyle factors, most of which scientists are still investigating. In this episode of Longevity Science, Matt dives into the nuances of body size and aging rate, discussing currently available data about how the two interact, intriguing outliers and exceptions, and potential molecular and evolutionary drivers.
Producers: Tara Mei, Nicholas Arapis
Video Editor: Jacob Keliikoa
DISCLAIMER: The information provided on the Optispan podcast is intended solely for general educational purposes and is not meant to be, nor should it be construed as, personalized medical advice. No doctor-patient relationship is established by your use of this channel. The information and materials presented are for informational purposes only and are not a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. We strongly advise that you consult with a licensed healthcare professional for all matters concerning your health, especially before undertaking any changes based on content provided by this channel. The hosts and guests on this channel are not liable for any direct, indirect, or other damages or adverse effects that may arise from the application of the information discussed. Medical knowledge is constantly evolving; therefore, the information provided should be verified against current medical standards and practices.
More places to find us:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/optispanpodcast
Twitter: https://twitter.com/optispan
Twitter: https://twitter.com/mkaeberlein
Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/optispan
https://www.optispan.life/
Hi, I'm Matt Kaeberlein. I spent the first few decades of my career doing scientific research into the biology of aging, trying to understand the finer details of how humans age in order to facilitate translational interventions that promote healthspan and improve quality of life. Now I want to take some of that knowledge out of the lab and into the hands of people who can really use it.
On this podcast I talk about all things aging and healthspan, from supplements and nutrition to the latest discoveries in longevity research. My goal is to lift the veil on the geroscience and longevity world and help you apply what we know to your own personal health trajectory. I care about quality science and will always be honest about what I don't know. I hope you'll find these episodes helpful!

May 21, 2024 • 1h 7min
DON'T Take Resveratrol Until You Watch This Video | 34 - Healthspan Medicine #8
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Resveratrol is a naturally occurring polyphenolic compound found in various plants, including in the skins of grapes, blueberries, raspberries, mulberries, and peanuts. Its association with red wine has contributed to the illusion of the "French Paradox": the observation that French people have a relatively low incidence of heart disease despite a diet rich in saturated fats. If you were alive in the 2000s, you may remember cheering at the news that drinking red wine would protect your heart and help you live longer.
Unfortunately, this claim is not true. Matt, who describes resveratrol as the "most debunked longevity molecule in history", spent several formative years of his scientific career in the depths of the resveratrol saga. Together with colleagues, and in parallel with other independent labs, he demonstrated that the apparent miracle powers of resveratrol were likely an artifact of the experimental methods used to test resveratrol-induced sirtuin activation, and that resveratrol actually had no significant lifespan-extending effects in vivo. In this episode, Matt presents a comprehensive analysis of the existing resveratrol literature, transports us to his earlier years of figuring the story out piece by piece with colleagues such as National University of Singapore Distinguished Professor of Biochemistry and Physiology Brian Kennedy, and shares his views on how bad science can have a profound influence on scientific fields, funding allocations, and public behaviour.
Producers: Tara Mei, Nicholas Arapis
Video Editor: Jacob Keliikoa
DISCLAIMER: The information provided on the Optispan podcast is intended solely for general educational purposes and is not meant to be, nor should it be construed as, personalized medical advice. No doctor-patient relationship is established by your use of this channel. The information and materials presented are for informational purposes only and are not a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. We strongly advise that you consult with a licensed healthcare professional for all matters concerning your health, especially before undertaking any changes based on content provided by this channel. The hosts and guests on this channel are not liable for any direct, indirect, or other damages or adverse effects that may arise from the application of the information discussed. Medical knowledge is constantly evolving; therefore, the information provided should be verified against current medical standards and practices.
More places to find us:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/optispanpodcast
Twitter: https://twitter.com/optispan
Twitter: https://twitter.com/mkaeberlein
Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/optispan
https://www.optispan.life/
Hi, I'm Matt Kaeberlein. I spent the first few decades of my career doing scientific research into the biology of aging, trying to understand the finer details of how humans age in order to facilitate translational interventions that promote healthspan and improve quality of life. Now I want to take some of that knowledge out of the lab and into the hands of people who can really use it.
On this podcast I talk about all things aging and healthspan, from supplements and nutrition to the latest discoveries in longevity research. My goal is to lift the veil on the geroscience and longevity world and help you apply what we know to your own personal health trajectory. I care about quality science and will always be honest about what I don't know. I hope you'll find these episodes helpful!

May 16, 2024 • 1h 40min
How He TRANSFORMED His Health by Taking Accountability. | 33 - Healthspan Journey #1
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The journey towards prioritizing one's healthspan can be a circuitous path full of triumphs, setbacks and lessons. Challenges arise and old habits rear their ugly heads. Unforeseen obstacles test our resolve. The road is rarely linear and often leads us to unexpected places.
In this episode, Matt chats with former Microsoft Chief Technology Officer and one of our first Optispan Trailblazers Stuart McKee about Stuart's early forays into drugs, smoking, and alcohol consumption, how he stepped off the train to get his health (and life) in order, and how the healthcare system can shape our attitude to healthspan optimization, for better or for worse. Stuart shares his meticulous approach to finding the right primary care doctor, strategies for weight loss from an obese baseline, and experiences with clomid therapy. They also discuss the influence of mindset and external influence on our healthspan optimization trajectories.
Stuart is currently a Strategic Advisor to the software company Armada, where he collaborates with the executive team to identify opportunities, innovative solutions, and market priorities to drive awareness and growth for the company. He also serves as a substitute teacher for Washington's Northshore School District. He was previously Chief Operating Officer at the artificial intelligence and spatial analytics company Hayden AI and Chief Executive Officer of Optispan Geroscience LLC, a precursor to Optispan as it exists today. Stuart spent 16 years at Microsoft.
Producers: Tara Mei, Nicholas Arapis
Video Editor: Jacob Keliikoa
DISCLAIMER: The information provided on the Optispan podcast is intended solely for general educational purposes and is not meant to be, nor should it be construed as, personalized medical advice. No doctor-patient relationship is established by your use of this channel. The information and materials presented are for informational purposes only and are not a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. We strongly advise that you consult with a licensed healthcare professional for all matters concerning your health, especially before undertaking any changes based on content provided by this channel. The hosts and guests on this channel are not liable for any direct, indirect, or other damages or adverse effects that may arise from the application of the information discussed. Medical knowledge is constantly evolving; therefore, the information provided should be verified against current medical standards and practices.
More places to find us:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/optispanpodcast
Twitter: https://twitter.com/optispan
Twitter: https://twitter.com/mkaeberlein
Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/optispan
https://www.optispan.life/
Hi, I'm Matt Kaeberlein. I spent the first few decades of my career doing scientific research into the biology of aging, trying to understand the finer details of how humans age in order to facilitate translational interventions that promote healthspan and improve quality of life. Now I want to take some of that knowledge out of the lab and into the hands of people who can really use it.
On this podcast I talk about all things aging and healthspan, from supplements and nutrition to the latest discoveries in longevity research. My goal is to lift the veil on the geroscience and longevity world and help you apply what we know to your own personal health trajectory. I care about quality science and will always be honest about what I don't know. I hope you'll find these episodes helpful!

May 14, 2024 • 53min
The Best Strategies for Living Longer RANKED: Longevity Tier List | 32 - HSM #7

May 9, 2024 • 24min
Comparing Bryan Johnson's RAPAMYCIN DATA: INTERESTING RESULTS | 31 - R-Files #5
The podcast explores the experimentation with rapamycin levels in the blood, personal journey with rapamycin, correlation with weight loss, bacterial infection risk, and reflections on unexpected side effects.

May 7, 2024 • 51min
Reversing Biological Age: Have we finally found the answer?? | 30 - LTW #5
Exploring the potential of age reversal through E5 formulation, rejuvenating effects of young piglet blood exosomes, controversy over lifespan extension claims, analysis of rat survival data, comparison of longevity interventions in rodents, and ethics of reversing biological age.

May 2, 2024 • 1h 26min
AI vs Aging: Why Wormbot-AI is the secret weapon against disease | 29 - Mitchell Lee
Expert in AI and aging, Mitchell Lee, discusses using Warm Bot for aging experiments, genetic variations' impact on longevity interventions, rapamycin effects on fly development, unbiased data collection with Wormbot, shared pathways in aging between C. elegans and humans, challenges in longevity research, optimizing drug dosages for worm experiments, exploring lifespan-extending molecules beyond rapamycin, and navigating funding challenges in research.

Apr 30, 2024 • 29min
Aging Expert Explains How Healthcare got it ALL WRONG. | 28 - HSM #6
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In April 2024, Matt delivered a presentation at a two-day congressional briefing on longevity science hosted at Washington, D.C.'s Mayflower Hotel by the Alliance for Longevity Initiatives (A4LI). Attendees included former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, Republican Congressman Gus Bilirakis, and Democratic Congressman Paul Tonko. We have decided to include Matt's presentation on our channel because we believe it delivers a valuable message.
Healthcare has historically taken a piecemeal approach to diseases, addressing ailments in isolation. While this method has been successful at curing and sometimes even eradicating multiple diseases, it has its limitations. Aging is the single greatest risk factor for many of the chronic diseases we worry about in later life—think cancer, Alzheimer's disease, diabetes—and involves a complex interplay of molecular, cellular, and physiological changes that underlie a myriad of health conditions. There is a reason that your average 80-year-old has more health problems than your average 18-year-old. As our understanding of human biology deepens, it is becoming increasingly evident that we need to broaden our focus beyond individual diseases and incorporate the biology of aging into strategies for improving human health and resilience to disease. Achieving this paradigm shift towards addressing the fundamental processes of aging, which will require interdisciplinary collaboration between scientists, clinicians, policymakers, and the public, will give us the potential to mitigate multiple age-related diseases simultaneously.
In this episode, Matt covers how we got here, the differences between 19th and 21st century medicine, and the importance of targeting the biological aging process to create transformative results in tackling healthcare challenges. He also discusses policy reforms that would be useful for the cause, including changes to FDA regulation, a rethinking of insurance reimbursement, and how he would reslice the federal funding pie.
Producers: Tara Mei, Nicholas Arapis
Video Editor: Jacob Keliikoa
DISCLAIMER: The information provided on the Optispan YouTube channel is intended solely for general educational purposes and is not meant to be, nor should it be construed as, personalized medical advice. No doctor-patient relationship is established by your use of this channel. The information and materials presented are for informational purposes only and are not a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. We strongly advise that you consult with a licensed healthcare professional for all matters concerning your health, especially before undertaking any changes based on content provided by this channel. The hosts and guests on this channel are not liable for any direct, indirect, or other damages or adverse effects that may arise from the application of the information discussed. Medical knowledge is constantly evolving; therefore, the information provided should be verified against current medical standards and practices.
More places to find us:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/optispanpodcast
Twitter: https://twitter.com/optispan
Twitter: https://twitter.com/mkaeberlein
Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/optispan
https://www.optispan.life/
Hi, I'm Matt Kaeberlein. I spent the first few decades of my career doing scientific research into the biology of aging, trying to understand the finer details of how humans age in order to facilitate translational interventions that promote healthspan and improve quality of life. Now I want to take some of that knowledge out of the lab and into the hands of people who can really use it.

Apr 25, 2024 • 24min
Inside this Non-profit's AMAZING Strategy to Fight Aging | 27 - Dylan Livingston
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We talk a lot about the science of longevity and healthspan on the Optispan podcast—how DEXA scans work, what an optimal rapamycin dose might look like, how the intersection of optogenetics and mitochondria are helping us understand biological aging, what supplements one might consider taking and why.
But the longevity field runs on way more than just science. It takes a village—a community of researchers, engineers, entrepreneurs, investors, regulators, and beyond who believe in the value of tackling the biology of aging as a crucial strategy for extending healthy lifespan—to create tangible results that benefit as many people as possible. At Optispan, we're eager to support and interact with the many levers that keep this machine going. One of these is the Alliance for Longevity Initiatives (A4LI), a nonprofit organization focused on catalyzing social and political action that will benefit the longevity field.
In this episode, Matt chats with A4LI founder, president, and CEO Dylan Livingston about forming a bipartisan longevity science caucus, redirecting funding towards geroscience research, and engaging with policymakers to help them understand the importance of transitioning towards a proactive healthcare model. Dylan, who founded A4LI in 2021, served as a field organizer for President Joe Biden's 2020 presidential campaign. He also worked as a community organizer for Organizing Corps 2020, where he registered hundreds of Democratic voters in Pennsylvania for the 2020 presidential compaign. Dylan graduated from Haverford College with a B.S. in physics and a minor in economics.
Matt joined the A4LI Board of Directors in 2024.
Producers: Tara Mei, Nicholas Arapis
Video Editor: Jacob Keliikoa
DISCLAIMER: The information provided on the Optispan YouTube channel is intended solely for general educational purposes and is not meant to be, nor should it be construed as, personalized medical advice. No doctor-patient relationship is established by your use of this channel. The information and materials presented are for informational purposes only and are not a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. We strongly advise that you consult with a licensed healthcare professional for all matters concerning your health, especially before undertaking any changes based on content provided by this channel. The hosts and guests on this channel are not liable for any direct, indirect, or other damages or adverse effects that may arise from the application of the information discussed. Medical knowledge is constantly evolving; therefore, the information provided should be verified against current medical standards and practices.
More places to find us:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/optispanpodcast
Twitter: https://twitter.com/optispan
Twitter: https://twitter.com/mkaeberlein
Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/optispan
https://www.optispan.life/
Hi, I'm Matt Kaeberlein. I spent the first few decades of my career doing scientific research into the biology of aging, trying to understand the finer details of how humans age in order to facilitate translational interventions that promote healthspan and improve quality of life. Now I want to take some of that knowledge out of the lab and into the hands of people who can really use it.
On this channel I talk about all things aging and healthspan, from supplements and nutrition to the latest discoveries in longevity research. My goal is to lift the veil on the geroscience and longevity world and help you apply what we know to your own personal health trajectory. I care about quality science and will always be honest about what I don't know. I hope you'll find these videos helpful!

Apr 23, 2024 • 37min
Guess his body fat percentage | #26 - Healthspan Medicine #5
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The Importance of Body Composition & Ways YOU can measure it | 21 - HSM #3: https://youtu.be/gM3aYTMsqNI
A DEXA (dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry) scan is an advanced imaging procedure for measuring bone density and composition. DEXA scans utilize two different energy levels of low-dose X-ray beams—one absorbed mostly by soft tissue, and the other absorbed mainly by bone—to differentiate between bone, fat, and lean tissue. In so doing, they provide noninvasive and detailed information about bone health, risk of osteoporosis or fractures, and body composition. While medical practioners typically perform DEXA scans on the lower spine and hips, they can also perform DEXA scans on the whole body for the purposes of early detection and intervention.
In our multi-part DEXA series, we go deep into DEXA scans: what they measure, how to interpret them, and how to use information from your own DEXA scan for healthspan optimization. This week we're on Part II, where we analyze the DEXA scans of Matt and Optispan Lead Healthspan Analyst and certified personal trainer Nicholas Arapis. We unpack the nuances of the various metrics a DEXA scan measures, discuss potential noise in the results, and hear from Nick about what he would tell Matt to do if he was coaching Matt based on his DEXA scan results.
Producers: Tara Mei, Nicholas Arapis
Video Editor: Jacob Keliikoa
DISCLAIMER: The information provided on the Optispan YouTube channel is intended solely for general educational purposes and is not meant to be, nor should it be construed as, personalized medical advice. No doctor-patient relationship is established by your use of this channel. The information and materials presented are for informational purposes only and are not a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. We strongly advise that you consult with a licensed healthcare professional for all matters concerning your health, especially before undertaking any changes based on content provided by this channel. The hosts and guests on this channel are not liable for any direct, indirect, or other damages or adverse effects that may arise from the application of the information discussed. Medical knowledge is constantly evolving; therefore, the information provided should be verified against current medical standards and practices.
More places to find us:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/optispanpodcast
Twitter: https://twitter.com/optispan
Twitter: https://twitter.com/mkaeberlein
Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/optispan
https://www.optispan.life/
Hi, I'm Matt Kaeberlein. I spent the first few decades of my career doing scientific research into the biology of aging, trying to understand the finer details of how humans age in order to facilitate translational interventions that promote healthspan and improve quality of life. Now I want to take some of that knowledge out of the lab and into the hands of people who can really use it.
On this channel I talk about all things aging and healthspan, from supplements and nutrition to the latest discoveries in longevity research. My goal is to lift the veil on the geroscience and longevity world and help you apply what we know to your own personal health trajectory. I care about quality science and will always be honest about what I don't know. I hope you'll find these videos helpful!


