

The Panic Pod
Joshua Fletcher
Joshua is the author of best-selling books on anxiety, a previous sufferer and a qualified psychotherapist. Co-hosted by Canadian singer, producer, and amateur linguist Ella Jean, The Panic Pod is a discussion-based podcast offering bite-sized practical advice on managing anxiety. It is also an opportunity to illuminate what medical and academic spheres know about anxiety to discuss it in a way that you can take to the pub.
Joshua is a fully qualified Psychotherapist and runs a private counselling practice based in Manchester called The Panic Room.
Contact me: info@theschoolofanxiety.com
Joshua is a fully qualified Psychotherapist and runs a private counselling practice based in Manchester called The Panic Room.
Contact me: info@theschoolofanxiety.com
Episodes
Mentioned books

Jun 17, 2020 • 37min
Episode 14: Self Compassion
If someone you knew was experiencing anxiety, how would you calm and reassure them? For many of us, this comes easily. Having compassion and empathy for others is something we do every day. However, when we look at how often we use the same empathic listening on ourselves for our anxiety, it can be hard to find the same amount of compassion. Perhaps then, self-compassion deserves more space in our personal struggle with anxiety. How can we go about achieving this? Ella and Josh discuss the proactive and reactive nature of caring for oneself and some things we can do to manage our inner critic.
Some books we talked about in the podcast that will help you if you’re interested in learning more about self-compassion:
Kristen Neff - Self-Compassion
Brene Brown - Daring Greatly
Paul Gilbert - Compassion Focused Therapy
Chris Irons & Elaine Beaumont - The Compassionate Mind Workbook: A step-by-step guide to developing your compassionate self
We’d love it if you reached out to the podcast to ask a question (anonymously or otherwise) - we can be reached at talk@thepanicroom.co.uk or on instagram and facebook as @thepanicpod. Thanks for listening!

May 27, 2020 • 37min
Episode 13: Conditions of Worth
Following up from our last episode on Imposter Syndrome, this episode has Josh explain a facet of anxiety that was studied extensively by the American psychologist Carl Rogers. Conditions of Worth is a lens in which to look through at threats to self esteem. If you feel as though you have a list of conditions you must meet in order to be a good person, these are your conditions of self worth. Society imposes some of these ideas that we all abide by, but sometimes the conditions of worth we have for ourselves are unique, or perhaps even wildly unrealistic for any person to achieve. Learn about introjection, self-compassion, and why therapists explore genealogical relationships in counselling.
We’d love to hear from you. If you have a question or comment for the podcast and would like to submit it anonymously or otherwise, please email talk@thepanicroom.co.uk
We’re on instagram as @thepanicpod

May 18, 2020 • 32min
Episode 12: Imposter Syndrome
Just because you have a feeling or a worry that you got where you are on chance, doesn’t make it true. Imposter Syndrome is the anxious feeling that we are somewhere we don’t belong. This is usually accompanied by feeling like we are not qualified or cool enough for the professional or social environment we find ourselves in.
Josh helps Ella illuminate what our wise mind already knows: not every day is going to be 100%. Perfection isn’t possible, but when we only see everyone’s celebrations of their greatest accomplishments, we often get a false sense of reality. Thereafter, we compare ourselves to that image of constant perfection, instead of recognising our humanity. When we chase the “What If…” of anxiety down the rabbit hole, we realise what lies at the heart of this particular manifestation of anxiety; a variable so paper-thin you’d think it really was made in our imagination.
What we talk about:
The Art of Being Yourself by Caroline McHugh - Tedx Talk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veEQQ-N9xWU
You can find @thepanicpod on instagram now! And as always, there is the opportunity to have a question of yours read on the show (anonymously or otherwise) by emailing talk@thepanicroom.co.uk

May 4, 2020 • 39min
Episode 11: Work/Life Balance - with The Repeat Beat Poet
The Repeat Beat Poet (a.k.a PJ) is a friend of Ella’s from the London spoken word/live music scene. Ella often times reaches out to PJ for advice, as he is a performer with a crazy schedule who always seems to keep his work in balance with his own mental health. After many frank conversations about how to keep passion and play in line as independent artists, this is Ella and Repeat Beat’s first recorded discussion aiming to shed light on the topic. The conversation is for anyone who struggles with overworking or swinging between apathy and fits of passion for what they do to make a living.
We’ll be back next week with a normal episode between Joshua and Ella.
Repeat Beat Poet:
https://www.instagram.com/repeatbeatpoet/
Things we talked about:
Imaginary Millions - London jam night / music collective
https://www.imaginarymillions.com
Three Different Rooms: The Disney Method - Creative Strategy
https://online.visual-paradigm.com/knowledge/disney-creative-strategy/what-is-disney-creative-strategy/
Ecofeminism Documentary - If Women Counted (Book) or documentary (Who’s Counting?) by Marilyn Waring http://www.nfb.ca/film/whos_counting/
Repeat Beat Broadcast (Radio Show)
https://www.mixcloud.com/ThreadsRadio/playlists/the-repeat-beat-broadcast/
Silvertongue: Beneath the Surface
https://silvertonguesax.co.uk/
Please get in touch with us if you would like to submit a question to be discussed on the podcast:
talk@thepanicroom.co.uk

Apr 16, 2020 • 40min
Bonus Episode: Coronavirus (COVID-19) and Anxiety
“The worst part about Coronavirus is worrying about getting Coronavirus,” but yet we see friends living through it, and others who are immunocompromised facing it fearlessly, so how can people with anxiety cope in this time of isolation and fear? Josh and Ella have a follow up to Episode 9: Health Anxiety in which the unprecedented nature of Coronavirus’s effect on society is discussed. Ella follows a model provided by Josh for assessing thought patterns triggered by health anxiety. Josh shares strategies for helping your own mental health, as well as making the environment you share with others a positive one.
Things we talked about:
Vicious Flower Model
https://www.psychologytools.com/resource/cognitive-behavioral-model-of-health-anxiety-2018/
Josh on BBC Bitesize:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/zdjyy9q
Get in touch with us to ask a question, you’d really help our podcast help others! talk@thepanicroom.co.uk
Follow our daily lives on instagram @joshuafletcher.author and @ellaofthenet

Apr 8, 2020 • 38min
Episode 10: Social Anxiety
What does social anxiety make you think of? For Ella, it’s parties. For others, it’s sometimes broader regarding identity and how other people’s opinions may threaten our identity. If you’ve ever had an excited or anxious anticipation of what someone’s text reply is going to be, it doesn’t necessarily mean you have social anxiety, but you know the feeling that someone with chronic social anxiety experiences on a regular basis.
Books we mentioned:
Person-Centred Counselling in Action by Dave Mearns and Brian Thorne
Rogers' Therapeutic Conditions: Evolution Theory and Practice edited by Gill Wyatt
Want to follow us on instagram? We’re @joshuafletcher.author and @ellaofthenet
Get in touch with us to ask a question, you’d really help our podcast help others! talk@thepanicroom.co.uk

Mar 27, 2020 • 39min
Episode 9: Health Anxiety
Content Warning: We discuss the COVID-19 epidemic on the day that the WHO classified it as a pandemic (March 11th) so some things have come to light about the severity of the disease which we didn’t know on the day of recording. Please keep this in mind as you listen. We have a follow-up episode talking about the Coronavirus coming up in two more episodes. Stay strong, and stay tuned.
Two episodes on the same day! We're here to help you through social distancing.
Health Anxiety, or "hypochondria", is the chronic and persistent anxiety about ones' health. How does health anxiety affect those with it on a daily basis? Can you use Exposure Therapy to change your reaction to the Coronavirus from panic to boredom?
Joshua Fletcher is a therapist in Manchester and online at thepanicroom.co.uk - he has also written two books on anxiety which you can order online: https://www.amazon.com/Joshua-Fletcher/e/B00MPKAAR6?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1&qid=1585313077&sr=1-1-spell
Get in touch with us to ask a question, you’d really help our podcast help others! talk@thepanicroom.co.uk
Find us on instagram @joshuafletcher.author and @ellaofthenet

Mar 27, 2020 • 44min
Episode 8: Intrusive Thoughts
Content Warning: Pedophilia, Violence, Suicide
Having the ability to let a thought pass through your mind without getting attached to it is one of the most frequent human experiences. Thoughts don’t define us like actions do, but when present in an anxious brain, thoughts can become persistent and intrusive. Josh explains what he does to manage his clients' worries when it comes to intrusive thoughts. By exploring "false comfort" vs. "letting go of the thoughts", intrusive thoughts can be viewed as nothing more serious than a song stuck in one’s head.
The book Josh mentions is:
"Needing to Know for Sure: A CBT-Based Guide to Overcoming Compulsive Checking and Reassurance Seeking" by Martin Seif (PhD) & Sally Winston (PsyD)
https://www.amazon.com/Needing-Know-Sure-Overcoming-Reassurance-ebook/dp/B07MMQ7HRK
Get in touch with us to ask a question, you’d really help our podcast help others! talk@thepanicroom.co.uk

Mar 14, 2020 • 27min
Episode 7: Instant Gratification
Episode 7: Instant Gratification
Ella poses the question to Josh: What if you’ve followed all of your therapists advice, read all the books, tried all the techniques and still feel anxious? Josh explains the concept of “testing” and how sometimes we have to let go of trying so hard to ‘get better’ in order to find relief for our anxiety.
Mentions:
Alan Watts Lecture - Wu Wei (YouTube)
Get in touch with us to ask a question, you’d really help our podcast help others! talk@thepanicroom.co.uk
Find us on instagram at @ellaofthenet and @joshuafletcher.author

Feb 14, 2020 • 39min
Episode 6: Avoidance
Avoidance in the context of panic can prevent us from growing out of our overthinking habits. Ella has a fear of word documents and isn’t afraid to share. Josh and Ella discuss what their anxiety-coping ‘patronus charm’ might be.
Please send us questions at talk@thepanicroom.co.uk or connect with us on social @ellaofthenet and @joshuafletcher.author