For years, active mutual funds sat and watched the boom in ETFs from the sidelines, unwilling to participate as it would mean showing their holdings every day. But now they can jump in thanks to a new type of structure that allow them to trade like an ETF but not have to show their holdings every day. These active non-transparent (ANT) ETFs are especially appealing to fund companies with trillions in assets.On this episode of Trillions, Eric and Joel speak with Greg Friedman, Head of ETF Management and Strategy at Fidelity, and Scott Livingston, Global Head of ETFs at T. Rowe Price. Bloomberg Intelligence analyst Morgan Barna joins to discuss how the ETFs work, how the companies plan to find investors, and what to make of mutual funds conversions. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Thematic ETFs need to do two things to attract cash: crush the market and capture the imagination. There's no better example of this than the ETFs coming out of ROBO Global, the indie issuer responsible for the blockbuster hit ROBO and the newer upstart HTEC. The latter tracks the companies shaping the future of health care, and is currently doubling the returns of the S&P Health Care Index.On this episode of Trillions, Eric and Joel speak with Nina Deka, an ETF specialist for the company who spent 13-plus years in the health care sector. The group discusses all the ways technology is changing health care, the intricate designs of HTEC and ROBO's indices, and how investors should think about using them in a portfolio.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Death has become a growing part of life in the ETF industry. The number closures in 2020 has already blown away the old record with the total number of gravestones already numbering more than 1,100 -- and that's with two months to go yet. One surprise: Few closures are directly related to the pandemic. So what's behind this year's shuttering? And what does it mean for investors? On this episode of Trillions, Eric and Joel seek to answer these questions and more -- including how to take kids trick-or-treating -- with the help of Claire Ballentine, a cross-asset reporter for Bloomberg News, and Todd Rosenbluth, senior director of ETF and mutual fund research for CFRA. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

One of the most interesting developments in finance this year has been the sudden popularity of the SPAC, or special-purpose acquisition company. A novel way to raise money and take companies public, SPACs are flourishing with more than 60 formed since the beginning of their big breakout year. And while they've certainly made headlines, they've actually existed for years. On this episode of Trillions, Eric and Joel discuss the phenomenon and what it all means with Julian Klymochko of Accelerate Financial Technologies, a SPAC pioneer whose Canadian-listed $ARB ETF offers some exposure to what he considers a new asset class, as well as Josef Schuster of IPOX Schuster, whose index is used for the $FPX ETF that tracks recent IPOs -- and now one SPAC. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Few organizations in finance are as mysterious as the committee that oversees the S&P 500 — a group that recently decided to exclude Tesla despite the company seeming to check all the required boxes. On this episode of Trillions, Eric and Joel — along with Katherine Greifeld of Bloomberg News — speak with David Blitzer, who headed the S&P index committee from 1995 until his retirement in 2019. They discuss the Tesla tantrum, why the identities of committee members aren’t public, how the group makes decisions, criticisms of passive indexing, and even the hypothetical path Eric would need to take to get a seat at the table.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In the ETF Terrordome, nothing comes easy for issuers -- even if your name is Goldman Sachs. The asset management arm of the storied Wall Street firm launched its first ETF five years ago. Investors have put about $20 billion into the funds to date, a decent start for a relative newcomer. Half those assets are in $GSLC, which was a true game-changer in the smart-beta category and may represent the future of active investing. On this episode of Trillions, Eric and Joel -- along with Katherine Greifeld of Bloomberg News -- interview Cole Feinberg, an ETF specialist with Goldman, about how the firm views the industry, where the team sees white space, what's behind GSLC's success, and how a project like $JUST comes together with Paul Tudor Jones. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Selling an ETF has become less about about sales and more about adviser education, which has sparked many firms to create roles for ETF specialists. These are people who know everything about the products as well as the market forces driving their returns. On this episode of Trillions, Eric and Joel speak with Paul Baiocchi, an ETF specialist with Alps, a mid-sized issuer with about a dozen ETFs. They discuss how he talks to advisers about the firm's products such as their hit MLP ETF, their rising-star clean energy fund, as well as their series of `dog' ETFs. They also discuss Paul's days at Index Universe (now ETF.com) as an analyst back when ETFs had yet to go mainstream. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Most passive investors take for granted that their fund “tracks an index.” Well, that’s actually something of a feat because there’s so much more going on than meets the eye. And it’s all to effectively end up tied with the index. This job isn't automated, either. Rather, a team of people must work together, playing defense against hedge funds and corporate actions and also offense through securities lending and trading desk acumen. On this episode of Trillions, Eric and Joel — along with Annie Massa, a reporter with Bloomberg News — interview Vanguard’s Gerry O'Reilly. A portfolio manager overseeing many of Vanguard's biggest funds, including the $940 billion Vanguard Total Stock Market Fund, O’Reilly helped rebate more than $200 million to investors through this unsung art of passive portfolio management. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

BlackRock is the undisputed king of the ETF hill; it’s also the world's biggest asset manager, with more than $7 trillion assets under management. And because 2020 has been one of the stranger years ever, there’s no time like the present to engage with such a financial powerhouse — especially BlackRock, which has had a front row seat through all of the chaos.On this episode of Trillions, Eric and Joel — along with Bloomberg News reporter Annie Massa — interview Armando Senra, head of iShares Americas at BlackRock. They discuss the March sell off, working with the Federal Reserve, the Robinhood phenomenon, competing against Vanguard, the realities of ESG, active non-transparent ETFs, concerns over ownership concentration, indie issuers, and why so many BlackRock employees are musically inclined (Armando aside).See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The gaming industry is a juggernaut, and the pandemic has been especially good for business. The thematic gaming ETFs, tickers $ESPO, $HERO, $GAMR and $NERD, are all up more than 35% so far this year. Living rooms, phones, Teslas, E-sports stadiums — gaming is everywhere now. And the most popular titles are more than just games anymore; they’re platforms. Matthew Kanterman, a research analyst with Bloomberg Intelligence, and Will Hershey, the co-founder and CEO of Roundhill Investments, whose ETF NERD launched in June 2019, join Eric and Joel to discuss the economics of gaming, the evolving business models, the biggest international players, the latest chapter of the console wars, the push into cloud gaming, and more — including just how many hours one must devote to this demanding craft.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.